Boxing Thread 13/11 (Crawford-Brook, Katie Taylor, Heffron-Bentley II)

funkey_monkey · 15-11-2020 12:15am

Can't be much more in this fight. Totally one sided.
Will be disappointed in Taylor if it goes the distance.

kona · 15-11-2020 12:15am

Katie needs more power.

patmac · 15-11-2020 12:16am

walshb wrote: »

That is her faith..

Why would that bother you?

I just find it hypocritical that you would want to try and beat the hell out of someone and be a Christian as well. I used to hate Holyfield for it as well.
Also if Gueterrez is the best they can offer as a contender, then the term ‘Lamb to the slaughter ‘ comes to mind.

Man with broke phone · 15-11-2020 12:16am

Very few fights should have happened tonight. Its like a school bullies dream. Good man Eddie.

walshb · 15-11-2020 12:16am

kona wrote: »

Katie needs more power.

She hasn’t got it

She needs more selectivity... pick shots better. Make them
count more..

UrbanFret · 15-11-2020 12:17am

kona wrote: »

Katie needs more power.

That's the one thing she lacks. Lovely boxer , doesn't have that concussive punch that would make life so much easier for her.

walshb · 15-11-2020 12:17am

patmac wrote: »

I just find it hypocritical that you would want to try and beat the hell out of someone and be a Christian as well. I used to hate Holyfield for it as well.
Also if Gueterrez is the best they can offer as a contender, then the term ‘Lamb to the slaughter ‘ comes to mind.

Yes,

But Katie doesn’t want to hurt with any malice..

It’s part of the sport..

walshb · 15-11-2020 12:18am

Katie is breathing heavy...

She overcooks everything!

funkey_monkey · 15-11-2020 12:19am

Was hoping for a finish. Not sure they is going to happen. A bit flat now.

Jinglejangle69 · 15-11-2020 12:19am

patmac wrote: »

I just find it hypocritical that you would want to try and beat the hell out of someone and be a Christian as well. I used to hate Holyfield for it as well.
Also if Gueterrez is the best they can offer as a contender, then the term ‘Lamb to the slaughter ‘ comes to mind.

FFS.

TCM · 15-11-2020 12:20am

patmac wrote:

Whatâ€™s with the psalm 18 on the shorts of Taylor, I used to hate Holyfield for his religious shiite, such hypocrisy.

patmac wrote:

I just find it hypocritical that you would want to try and beat the hell out of someone and be a Christian as well. I used to hate Holyfield for it as well. Also if Gueterrez is the best they can offer as a contender, then the term â€˜Lamb to the slaughter â€˜ comes to mind.

Manage your own moral compass- never mind Taylor's. If it offends you so much switch the channel.

Loafing Oaf · 15-11-2020 12:21am

normanoffside wrote: »

The Spanish girl is huge for the weight.

She does look incredibly ripped for a woman. Lacking any of the other attributes of a top-level boxer though...

normanoffside · 15-11-2020 12:22am

patmac wrote: »

I just find it hypocritical that you would want to try and beat the hell out of someone and be a Christian as well. I used to hate Holyfield for it as well.
Also if Gueterrez is the best they can offer as a contender, then the term ‘Lamb to the slaughter ‘ comes to mind.

No different to wanting to beat anyone in any sport.

magma69 · 15-11-2020 12:23am

patmac wrote: »

What’s with the psalm 18 on the shorts of Taylor, I used to hate Holyfield for his religious shiite, such hypocrisy.

Hatewatching tv on your Saturday night. Someone is lonely.

kona · 15-11-2020 12:27am

UrbanFret wrote: »

That's the one thing she lacks. Lovely boxer , doesn't have that concussive punch that would make life so much easier for her.

Shed be too far ahead i suppose , i count her landing at least 2 significant hard clean shots per round here. Madness its into the 10th.
I fear someday somebody is going to eat all this and then land a bomb on her.

walshb · 15-11-2020 12:29am

Taylor on fire speed wise..

Just a very very basic opponent...

I wish Katie would slow it down a bit, pick shots better, and relax on the OTT speed...

That girl should not have seen past two rounds!

Deliverance XXV · 15-11-2020 12:30am

kona wrote: »

Shed be too far ahead i suppose , i count her landing at least 2 significant hard clean shots per round here. Madness its into the 10th.
I fear someday somebody is going to eat all this and then land a bomb on her.

I tend to agree here. Sometimes, Katie reminds me of Amir Khan - if the fight goes the distance she will always win on points as lands so many punches with crazy accuracy but too light handed to get the KO's against the better fighters.

patmac · 15-11-2020 12:31am

Sorry my bad, just think she should keep religion out of it, anyway disappointing that she couldn’t finish off Guiterrez.

Morrison J · 15-11-2020 12:31am

As a showcase fight for women's boxing that doesn't do anyone any favours. The talent pool is just too shallow. A handful of actually really good fighters and the rest are just tough.

UrbanFret · 15-11-2020 12:32am

kona wrote: »

Shed be too far ahead i suppose , i count her landing at least 2 significant hard clean shots per round here. Madness its into the 10th.
I fear someday somebody is going to eat all this and then land a bomb on her.

That's highly likely to happen unfortunately. This fight would have been over 20 minutes ago had she a punch.

Morrison J · 15-11-2020 12:34am

Deliverance XXV wrote: »

I tend to agree here. Sometimes, Katie reminds me of Amir Khan - if the fight goes the distance she will always win on points as lands so many punches with crazy accuracy but too light handed to get the KO's against the better fighters.

I don't think the lack of power holds her back as much as most people think. Very few female boxers actually have genuinely big power. Two minute rounds also don't help.

walshb · 15-11-2020 12:34am

patmac wrote: »

Sorry my bad, just think she should keep religion out of it, anyway disappointing that she couldn’t finish off Guiterrez.

Anti religion now worse than religion..

Live and let live!

ctrl-alt-delete · 15-11-2020 12:34am

patmac wrote: »

I just find it hypocritical that you would want to try and beat the hell out of someone and be a Christian as well.

Is that not the whole idea of it? :pac:

walshb · 15-11-2020 12:34am

Morrison J wrote: »

I don't think the lack of power holds her back as much as most people think. Very few female boxers actually have genuinely big power. Two minute rounds also don't help.

Two minute rounds suit Katie big time..

Soups123 · 15-11-2020 12:36am

I’m shocked one judge gave her a round! lol

Very good performance

15-11-2020 12:37am

Talk that she could be fighting Cyborg at some stage. That'd be a big fight for the sport.

Morrison J · 15-11-2020 12:37am

walshb wrote: »

Two minute rounds suit Katie big time..

In terms of winning fights it probably does. I don't think she has the greatest gas tank. In terms of getting stoppages though she'd have way more with three minute rounds.

walshb · 15-11-2020 12:39am

Morrison J wrote: »

In terms of winning fights it probably does. I don't think she has the greatest gas tank. In terms of getting stoppages though she'd have way more with three minute rounds.

Yes, but she tires at the end of rounds, so it kind of scuppers her...her strength and power depletes the harder she fights and the more the clock is ticking.

Her issue is that she overcooks a little too much. If she was a bit more relaxed, not so eager to let the hands fly for the sake of it, pick more, plant more....she could be better at getting them out of there in the 2 minutes..

fullstop · 15-11-2020 12:40am

Did yer one win a raffle to get in the ring? All for respecting your opponent but I though she was gonna ask for an autograph at the end.

Rolling Stone · 15-11-2020 12:41am

KT looked in fantastic shape tonight; hand speed and movement was incredible. Not a scratch on her after 10 rounds. Gutierrez just looked happy to be there. Katie has everything in her locker but the power. If she had that knockout punch it would make such a difference. Probably being overly critical though, she's a great boxer and an amazing athlete. Her hunger, dedication and will to win is both incredible and inspirational.

Jinglejangle69 · 15-11-2020 12:43am

Her management team seem like Del Boys.

Hope she isn't been taken advantage of.

walshb · 15-11-2020 12:47am

Nelson picking Brook via KO1?😅

kona · 15-11-2020 12:47am

Morrison J wrote: »

I don't think the lack of power holds her back as much as most people think. Very few female boxers actually have genuinely big power. Two minute rounds also don't help.

The 2minute rounds are for sure a problem if you want a stoppage.

normanoffside · 15-11-2020 12:50am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Her management team seem like Del Boys.

Hope she isn't been taken advantage of.

No, Brian Peters is a good skin by all accounts and I understand that Katie is doing very well financially.
I'm very happy for her, she seems to be genuinely a very nice person. It's just a pity in sports terms how shallow the women's professional game is.

That Ball world title fight earlier in my opinion was an absolute joke.
They'd do well to halve the weight classes in the women's game as they're not gonna get rid of the 4 title belts per weight class.

harr · 15-11-2020 12:51am

Would love to see how a fight with cyborg would pan out .. she definitely would be stronger than Taylor but not sure cyborg would have the skills.
What are the chances of that fight actually taking place?

kona · 15-11-2020 12:53am

Deliverance XXV wrote: »

I tend to agree here. Sometimes, Katie reminds me of Amir Khan - if the fight goes the distance she will always win on points as lands so many punches with crazy accuracy but too light handed to get the KO's against the better fighters.

I dont think there is anybody about who is genuinely better, katie has speed and accuracy that isnt normal for womens boxing!
Id have to disagree with the khan comparison, he went down with a stiff breeze, katie ate some serious damage in the 1st persoon fight, as mentioned earlier, if it was 3 min rounds i think persoon would have gotten a stoppage at the end.
So maybe the 2min rounds are perfect for katie!

normanoffside · 15-11-2020 12:54am

harr wrote: »

Would love to see how a fight with cyborg would pan out .. she definitely would be stronger than Taylor but not sure cyborg would have the skills.
What are the chances of that fight actually taking place?

I can't see how it would be any different from any other Boxing/UFC crossover fights, exactly almost as Mayweather vs McGregor except Taylor is Mayweather here and would be in better shape than Mayweather was.

Cyborg would likely be an even bigger Guttierez but would probably gas quicker.

15-11-2020 12:59am

harr wrote: »

Would love to see how a fight with cyborg would pan out .. she definitely would be stronger than Taylor but not sure cyborg would have the skills.
What are the chances of that fight actually taking place?

The only obstacle I could see would be Cyborg's weight.

Both camps would definitely want the fight as it's definitely the biggest cash cow.

~Rebel~ · 15-11-2020 12:59am

harr wrote: »

Would love to see how a fight with cyborg would pan out .. she definitely would be stronger than Taylor but not sure cyborg would have the skills.
What are the chances of that fight actually taking place?

Has Cyborg ever boxed though? Even with her strength, she’d be fairly hamstrung technically in against someone as technically gifted as Katie.

Loafing Oaf · 15-11-2020 1:01am

harr wrote: »

Would love to see how a fight with cyborg would pan out .. she definitely would be stronger than Taylor

I think that's a given
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Sorry, know SFA about women's boxing and had never heard of 'cyborg'. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that's not the name she was born with...

~Rebel~ · 15-11-2020 1:04am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I think that's a given

Sorry, know SFA about women's boxing and had never heard of 'cyborg'. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that's not the name she was born with...

Cris Cyborg from Brazil - she’s an MMA fighter. And yup, that’s her stage name.

15-11-2020 1:05am

If Amanda Nunes could KO Cybord with 4oz gloves in the first few minutes then Taylor would make her look silly in a boxing match no matter how long it would go on for.

~Rebel~ · 15-11-2020 1:09am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If Amanda Nunes could KO Cybord with 4oz gloves in the first few minutes then Taylor would make her look silly in a boxing match no matter how long it would go on for.

Yeah, it feels a bit too much Mayweather McGregor for my liking... a boxer will always have too much skill and experience for a non-boxer. Even a powerhouse like Cyborg.

walshb · 15-11-2020 1:20am

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Yeah, it feels a bit too much Mayweather McGregor for my liking... a boxer will always have too much skill and experience for a non-boxer. Even a powerhouse like Cyborg.

But not every crossover fight is the same..

Floyd is a defensive genius...the only hope Conor had was a Hail Mary KO...and very very unlikely you land that on someone like Mayweather..

Katie is not remotely as sound on defense as Floyd. And, she is not at all a puncher..hence a Nunes or Cyborg would likely not be hurt, and would likely still be there in the ring throwing punches.

So, skills wise in boxing she has more than a Cyborg or Nunes, but for either them to land hard and clean on Katie should not at all be a surprise..

Put it this way. A Nunes or Cyborg would absolutely be more dangerous than what Katie faces tonight...and Katie fought like a demon and still that lass lasted 10 rounds..

Nunes or Cyborg with training.... nobody is telling me they would not have a chance...And a better chance than that mandatory challenger tonight!

colly10 · 15-11-2020 1:26am

patmac wrote: »

I just find it hypocritical that you would want to try and beat the hell out of someone and be a Christian as well. I used to hate Holyfield for it as well.
Also if Gueterrez is the best they can offer as a contender, then the term ‘Lamb to the slaughter ‘ comes to mind.

It’s a sport, it’s not personal or out of hatred.
For the short while I was fighting I loved when I landed something to hurt an opponent, it had little to do with hurting them though and more to do with proving to yourself that all the hours you put in trying to outtrain the rest are having an affect.
You chat after the fight and there’s no animosity, less than I had against players from rival football teams when I played.
You’re taking about boxing like it’s similar to fighting someone on the street

patmac · 15-11-2020 2:06am

colly10 wrote: »

It’s a sport, it’s not personal or out of hatred.
For the short while I was fighting I loved when I landed something to hurt an opponent, it had little to do with hurting them though and more to do with proving to yourself that all the hours you put in trying to outtrain the rest are having an affect.
You chat after the fight and there’s no animosity, less than I had against players from rival football teams when I played.
You’re taking about boxing like it’s similar to fighting someone on the street

Thanks for the insightful, refreshing post. It’s nice to read something objective instead of the abuse you get.

Man with broke phone · 15-11-2020 2:10am

colly10 wrote: »

It’s a sport, it’s not personal or out of hatred.
For the short while I was fighting I loved when I landed something to hurt an opponent, it had little to do with hurting them though and more to do with proving to yourself that all the hours you put in trying to outtrain the rest are having an affect.
You chat after the fight and there’s no animosity, less than I had against players from rival football teams when I played.
You’re taking about boxing like it’s similar to fighting someone on the street

I tell alot of young lads fighting at football matches where the boxing club is, very few venture down. More footballers want to fight after a match than boxers do.

kona · 15-11-2020 2:56am

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Yeah, it feels a bit too much Mayweather McGregor for my liking... a boxer will always have too much skill and experience for a non-boxer. Even a powerhouse like Cyborg.

Id still pay for it.

Morrison J · 15-11-2020 4:55am

Maloney should get the TKO win here. Clearly a punch that shut Franco's eye.

simongurnick · 15-11-2020 5:06am

Morrison J wrote: »

Maloney should get the TKO win here. Clearly a punch that shut Franco's eye.

Hope so. I have a tenner on him at 9/1 for ko/tko!

Boxing Thread 13/11 (Crawford-Brook, Katie Taylor, Heffron-Bentley II)

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