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Twenty Economists in Favour of Nationalisation

  • 17-04-2009 1:38pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭


    From today's Irish Times:
    Twenty of Ireland’s leading academic economists argue that the Government has got it badly wrong. Nama is not the way to clean up the banking mess created by the property bubble: temporary but full-blooded nationalisation of the banks is the only way

    OVER THE last number of months extraordinary changes have occurred in the Irish banking and financial scene. We believe that we are now at a critical stage in Irish economic history and that it is crucial that the Government take the right course of action to deal with the problems in our banking sector.

    The banking system is widely perceived to have seized in terms of lending, and whether correct or not this perception needs to be addressed. We believe that the correct action to take now is nationalisation of the banking system, or at least that part of it that is of systemic importance.
    We do not make this recommendation from any ideological position. In normal circumstances, none of us would recommend a nationalised banking system. However, these are far from normal times and we believe that in the current circumstances, nationalisation has become the best option open to the Government.

    Furthermore, we explicitly recommend nationalisation only as a temporary measure. Once cleaned up, recapitalised, reorganised with new managerial structures, and potentially rebranded, we recommend that the banks be returned to private ownership.

    In introducing its proposals for the National Asset Management Agency (Nama), Government Ministers and Peter Bacon, the consultant who recommended this plan to the Government, have stressed that they see their current plan as likely to produce a superior outcome to nationalisation (though they concede that majority State ownership may be required).
    We disagree strongly. We see nationalisation as being the inevitable consequence of a required recapitalisation of the banks done on terms that are fair for the taxpayer.

    We can summarise our arguments in favour of nationalisation, and against the Government’s current approach of limited recapitalisation and the introduction of an asset management agency, under four headings. We consider that nationalisation will better protect taxpayers’ interests, produce a more efficient and longer lasting solution to our banking problems, be more transparent in relation to pricing of distressed assets, and be far more likely to produce a banking system free from the toxic reputation that our current financial institutions have deservedly earned.

    PROTECTING THE TAXPAYER
    Our banks have made an enormous quantity of bad loans, mainly to property developers, and realisation of these losses will see a substantial erosion of their capital base. International financial regulations require that banks maintain certain levels of capital to be allowed to stay in business.
    In addition, as the recession mounts, so too will bad debts in consumer and other commercial loans, and so our banks need outside capital investment to make up the losses on these loans. The highest grade, and most desirable, form of capital is ordinary share capital, and in the current circumstances the Irish Government is the only conceivable investor willing to provide this capital.

    The Government has put forward Nama as a vehicle to take these bad loans off the banks at a discounted rate. To the extent that the realisation of losses on these loans erodes the capital position of the banks, the Government has indicated that it is willing to supply equity capital in return for shares.

    Crucially, however, the Government’s current descriptions of the range of outcomes from this process suggest that they are badly underestimating the scale of losses at our banks, and as such may end up substantially overpaying for bad assets.

    Take our two leading banks, AIB and Bank of Ireland. Analysts have repeatedly estimated the extent of bad loans at these banks to be of the order of at least €20 billion. Losses of this sort would wipe out virtually the entire €27 billion of Tier 1 capital of these banks. This means that if the Government purchases these loans at fair market value, it will end up having to provide funds to replenish fully the equity capital of these banks and, in consequence, would end up with essentially full ownership of these banks.

    There is thus a fundamental internal contradiction in the Government’s current position. The Government is claiming that it can simultaneously: (a) purchase the bad loans at a discount reflecting their true market value; (b) keep the banks well or adequately capitalised; and (c) keep them out of State ownership.

    These three outcomes are simply mutually incompatible, and we are greatly concerned that the Nama process may operate to maintain the appearance that all three objectives have been achieved by failing to meet the first requirement. This would arise if Nama purchases the bad loans at a discount – but still well above market value.

    With €90 billion in loans to be purchased, the consequences to the taxpayer of overpaying for bad assets by 10 to 30 per cent are truly appalling. To put these figures in perspective, the effect in a full year of the Budget measures taken last week was to save the exchequer €5 billion.
    Peter Bacon and others have argued in recent days that the question of who owns the banks does not matter, because the ownership structure does not change the underlying size of loan losses. Frankly, this is argumentation by distraction.
    Nobody is claiming that nationalisation changes the underlying loan losses on the bank balance sheets. However, what it does change is who owns the equity and also who has first claim on any increase in value in the new banks after they have been recapitalised. If nationalised, the taxpayer stands to get a return on their equity investment after the banks have been sold into private hands in a few years’ time, and this would substantially reduce the underlying cost to the taxpayer.

    Furthermore, nationalisation offers an opportunity, should the Government see such a need, to share directly with the taxpayers the upside in restoring banking sector health. Such an opportunity could involve a voucher-style reprivatisation of the banks and could be used to provide economic stimulus at a time of scarce resources, at no new cost to the exchequer.

    A MORE LASTING SOLUTION
    With the Nama process charged with meeting the three mutually contradictory objectives above, it is also possible that objective (b), recapitalising, will not be fully met. In other words, a Government that needs to be seen to purchase the bad assets at a reasonable discount and that does not want to take too high an ownership share may end up skimping on the size of the recapitalisation programme. Thus, rather than create fully healthy banks capable of functioning without help from the State, this process may continue to leave us with zombie banks that still require the State-sponsored life-support machine that is the liability guarantee.

    However, once nationalised and with the promise of future returns for the State, the incentive for the Government will be to create well-capitalised healthy banks that can be privatised and allowed to operate independently from the State, as quickly as possible. We believe that full nationalisation now will end up getting the State out of its involvement in the banking business faster than the current approach being taken by the Government.
    In contrast, a circumstance where a drip-feed of recapitalisations is required would be the worst of all possible outcomes.

    TRANSPARENCY
    Peter Bacon and Government Ministers have stressed that it is necessary to keep the banks out of public hands so that the process is a transparent one.

    The truth is exactly the opposite.

    Every additional euro that the State pays for bad assets is an additional euro for the current bank capital holders and one euro less of valuable equity investment for the State. For this reason, the process by which Nama purchases the bad assets is going to be an extremely controversial one. Already, analysts are citing ranges from 15 per cent to 50 per cent as appropriate for the discount on these loans.

    However the Government decides to price these assets, whether it be via accountancy firms, auctioneers or economic consultants, the process is going to have an element of arbitrariness to it and is unlikely to be one that will be widely seen as fair and transparent.
    By contrast, nationalisation per se requires no such controversial asset-pricing process. Nationalisation can still involve a Nama, if the Government believes that reprivatisation of the banks would proceed best if certain of the most toxic and compromised assets have to be taken off the bank books altogether rather than just written down to market price.

    However, the valuation process in this case would cease to be controversial, as the Government would own both the Nama and the banks, so the price would hardly matter. The Swedish bad bank experience (widely mis-reported in this country) involved an asset valuation board that set the price for assets transferred from nationalised banks, but the process was not a controversial one.

    A related argument that Government officials have made against nationalisation is that it would remove the stock market listing and market monitoring function, rendering opaque the quality of the State-owned banks. However, the experience of recent years is one that would have to cast doubt on the ability of markets to effectively monitor financial institutions.

    TOXIC REPUTATIONS
    The Government’s plans seem likely to keep in place the current management at our biggest banks.

    For instance, the smaller discounts on bad loans being cited would, if paid, likely allow Bank of Ireland to maintain its recent levels of equity capital without taking more funds from the Government than the €3.5 billion it has already taken (in return for preference shares which give an option for a 25 per cent State share.)

    This type of incremental change will do little to restore the battered reputation of Irish banking. It would be difficult to avoid claims of crony capitalism and golden circles were billions of State monies to be placed into the banks with minimal changes in their governance structure.

    Nationalisation provides the opportunity for a fresh start for Irish banking. The State should run the temporarily nationalised banks as independent semi-State operations headed by highly independent boards of senior figures of the utmost integrity. Executives for these banks should be sourced through an international search, and remunerated accordingly.

    These executive boards should be charged with a clear mandate to improve risk management practices, restore the brand image of Irish banking and finance, and return the banks to private ownership in a reasonably short time frame, for as high a stock price as possible.
    This would certainly see substantial changes in senior management and board members in these banks, and allow for a rebuilding of the reputational capital of these institutions.

    To conclude, we consider that the Government’s approach of limited recapitalisation supplemented by Nama represents only a partial solution to our banking problems, and one that is unlikely to protect the taxpayer. A nationalised banking system with a mandate to restructure and reprivatise would be a preferable approach at this time.

    List of signatories
    This commentary has been written by a group of Ireland’s leading academic economists, several of whom have analysed and commented on the banking and financial crisis on these pages and elsewhere over the past year. They are:

    Karl Whelan, professor of economics, dept of economics, UCD; John Cotter, associate professor of finance, Smurfit School, UCD; Don Bredin, senior lecturer in finance, Smurfit School, UCD; Elaine Hutson, lecturer in finance, Smurfit School, UCD; Cal Muckley, lecturer in finance, Smurfit School, UCD; Shane Whelan, senior lecturer in actuarial studies, school of mathematics, UCD; Kevin O’Rourke, professor of economics, Trinity College Dublin; Frank Barry, professor of international business and development, school of business, Trinity College Dublin; Pearse Colbert, professor of accounting, school of business, Trinity College Dublin; Brian Lucey, associate professor of finance, school of business, Trinity College Dublin; Patrick McCabe, senior lecturer in accounting, school of business, Trinity College Dublin; Alex Sevic, lecturer in finance, school of business, Trinity College Dublin; Constantin Gurdgiev, lecturer in finance, school of business, Trinity College Dublin; Valerio Poti, lecturer in finance, DCU business school; Jennifer Berrill, lecturer in finance, DCU business school; Ciarán Mac an Bhaird, lecturer in finance, Fiontar, DCU; Gregory Connor, professor of finance, department of economics, finance and accounting, NUI Maynooth; Rowena Pecchenino, professor of economics, department of economics, finance and accounting, NUI Maynooth; James Deegan, professor of economics, Kemmy School of Business, Limerick; and Cormac Ó Gráda, professor of economics, UCD
    Link. Just a quick semantic point, not all of them are economists. I'm surprised by the inclusion of the last name, it's someone I would hold in very high regard; a very intelligent man. I figured it would have been 50 years before the historian gave an opinion :pac:.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    I'm surprised by the inclusion of the last name, it's someone I would hold in very high regard; a very intelligent man. I figured it would have been 50 years before the historian gave an opinion :pac:.

    Ó Gráda is an economist with a special interest in history, not a historian with a special interest in economics.

    The name that surprises me in that list is that of Constantin Gurdgiev. He is so strongly in favour of free markets and minimal regulation that I thought he would be advocating that the banks be allowed collapse -- either that or he should be maintaining a discreet silence.

    For me, the core message is that the government is setting itself up to buy in bad and doubtful debts at too high a price, perhaps far too high. We might see some tens of billions blown away, and then see the banks rise like the phoenix from the ashes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,684 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I'd say the current situation is not sustainable , they might as well nationalise the banks wipe out the shareholders and do a deal with any bond holders for a % . This isnt a repeat of the Sweden scenario where the banks can be sold a profit in the future.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Économiste Monétaire


    Ó Gráda is an economist with a special interest in history, not a historian with a special interest in economics.
    See the little smiley at the end of the sentence? Read as a light-hearted joke at the expense of economic historians. I know what the man's profession is.

    Edit: I think I see why you wrote that. I was surprised by his inclusion, not because he's a quasi-economist; I don't think that at all, I was trying to explain that I hold his opinion with great respect. I didn't expect him to comment on this debate, he probably knows more about banking crises than the vast majority of economists. The point about not all being economists was the frustration some finance people feel by being labelled as economists.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Am slightly surprised at the lack of non-Dublin based Economists on that list. I imagine that it would find much support in the other colleges. ;)


    That said, I honestly find myself at the point where I think nationalisation of the larger banks might be the best option, something that nine months ago I'd have bet an awful lot of money against me saying.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    nesf wrote: »
    Am slightly surprised at the lack of non-Dublin based Economists on that list...

    The processes involved in agreeing a joint communication and getting it signed are not clearly set down anywhere. It looks largely like a matter of getting the participation of those who were conveniently available.

    Moore McDowell was not a signatory, but said on radio that he largely agreed with it. I imagine he wasn't invited to sign, and I also imagine that no slight was intended: just that it might not have been convenient to organise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭eamonnm79


    The processes involved in agreeing a joint communication and getting it signed are not clearly set down anywhere. It looks largely like a matter of getting the participation of those who were conveniently available.

    Moore McDowell was not a signatory, but said on radio that he largely agreed with it. I imagine he wasn't invited to sign, and I also imagine that no slight was intended: just that it might not have been convenient to organise.

    Id love to know the % of economists that think nationalisation is right thing to do now? If it was known it could be a usefull tool against the current government action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    eamonnm79 wrote: »
    Id love to know the % of economists that think nationalisation is right thing to do now? If it was known it could be a usefull tool against the current government action.

    Well, at a glance I can tell you that there are a lot of very well respected economists signing off on that letter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    eamonnm79 wrote: »
    Id love to know the % of economists that think nationalisation is right thing to do now? If it was known it could be a usefull tool against the current government action.

    There's an interesting post here:
    Owing to the efforts of Karl and others, we stand a much better chance of having a rational banking policy. Yet I can’t help being puzzled at the depth and breadth of the support for nationalisation from so many leading economists.
    The implication from that, of course, is that support of nationalisation is strong among economists.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭eamonnm79


    I think Karl Whelans rebuttal of John Mchales points are correct.

    I think where Mchales arguement falls down is in his final paragraph.
    "The transparency and governance institutions of a publicly traded company should make it more costly for politicians to direct the banks’ credit allocation for political ends."
    Bacon made largely the same point. And talk about selective amnesia.
    The whole reason for this mess is that there was a huge deregulation and overreliance of trust on behalf of governments and society on the
    "transparency and governance institutions of a publicly traded company"


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