Mens Rights Thread

From the Independent.ie business section

'MeToo's been weaponised against us - so women need to hire other women'
https://www.independent.ie/business/metoos-been-weaponised-against-us-so-women-need-to-hire-other-women-38657792.html

"This (MeToo) is being weaponised against us, so women have to hire each other.

"We have to have more women at the top, it's vital we use our money to support female businesses."

And she's currently hiring an all-woman team for I Weigh - a company with a "body neutrality" emphasis, building activism and "allyships" with tailored content and ethical products.

"My business will support a lot of female businesses, especially women of colour."

The Simmons Leadership Conference will take place tomorrow and Wednesday, and features international female leaders of prominence.

Deleted User wrote: »

It's the fear that the metoo movement has generated. The reluctance of male managers/bosses to be alone with a female colleague (which is perfectly justified IMO). Hardly a weapon being used against them though. More the unexpected (because they're unwilling to use common sense) result of their own behavior.

I personally would be very reluctant to take the risk or hiring a female staff member without having a panel to interview.

I also understand why men are not hiring women as all it takes is one person's word to ruin a career. The legacy of the metoo era is the hashtag webelieveher and as such it means you don't believe what the man says.

I can understand an appreciate that there have been times when men have taken the piss and used power to really take advantage but in allot of cases those days are gone.

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/home-truths-women-let-him-have-a-man-cave-if-you-truly-want-peace-38649913.html

I found this independent article even more hilarious. Once its two consenting adults does it really matter the age gap?

https://www.independent.ie/style/voices/caitlin-mcbride-keanu-reeves-choice-of-an-age-appropriate-partner-is-proof-hes-worthy-of-our-enduring-affection-38663359.html

high_king wrote: »

I would have thought any rat race politician or media person these days that doesn't describe themselves as one is screwed.

I remember in the Irish presidential election, when 6 of the candidates were asked were they a feminist, 5 said they were. However I see that as a bit different to saying so without prompt in a short description.

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I thought I would highlight that being a trustee of a charity is an unpaid position. Well done to everyone who takes on such a role. It seems more men do it than women, in the UK at least.
https://twitter.com/TrusteesWeek/status/930898234746310657

TV star Anna Daly hellbent on rearing her brood of boys to respect women
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/lifestyle/parenting/tv-star-anna-daly-hellbent-on-rearing-her-brood-of-boys-to-respect-women/ar-BBWw8BC

I have heard this sort of thing before; I don't recall hearing much of the equivalent in reverse e.g. fathers or mothers teaching their girls to respect men

Work-related anxiety is on the rise among men – and we all need to talk about it

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/work-related-anxiety-is-on-the-rise-among-men-and-we-all-need-to-talk-about-it-965424.html

That's true. But it's really only true for a very small part of the population (i.e. those who have made a concerted effort to gain muscle mass).

For the vast majority of the population, BMI is a useful metric. It's not perfect but, in general it holds true which is all it needs to do from a statistical point of view. Those for whom BMI doesn't work, we don't particularly need to worry about in relation to obesity: individuals with that level of muscle mass haven't developed it accidentally and are already acutely aware of their health in relation to body fat levels at least.

I probably should clarify I post various items to this thread, many of which might be better described as posts about men's issues rather than men's rights posts. More men do need to be concerned about their health and being overweight/obese, particularly as the cardiovascular effects tend to hit men earlier than women.

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https://www.independent.ie/style/voices/barbara-mccarthy-we-need-to-mind-our-pees-and-queues-for-women-38715397.html

When I used to go to Electric Picnic, for example, I'd use the loos in the VIP area because they were slightly more palatable than those in the main area - but only sometimes.

When things got busy, the queue for the female trailer containing four or five cubicles was massive. The men also had one trailer, but there was never a queue because biology allowed men to relieve themselves in a field whenever they wanted.

Needless to say, I happily used the men's loos

When I was at the Rolling Stones concert in Croke Park, the women were queuing in the men's toilets, such was the demand."

I don't think it's great that if there are urinals it seems to be reasonably acceptable for some women do this.

Deleted User wrote: »

I was at a bar in Australia recently... The male toilet had a single urinal. The Female toilet had four cubicles. Now.. that's wonderful logic to consider when you're dying to go for a dump.

(I used the female toilet - but I was terrified the whole time I'd be caught. I'm a 42 yr male. Utterly bizarre)

That is crazy, however one of the reason's i am against uni-sex toilets is a dont want them to remove urinals. Like if i just need a slash then the urinal is great like a big smelly trough that is fast.

As for your predicament i assume they expect the men to **** in the corner lol.

Deleted User wrote: »

TBH after living in Asia for so long, I can definitely see why squat toilets are better from a hygiene and practical pov. A toilet seat used by many people will carry over a serious amount of germs, and possible skin diseases.

I'm not against uni-sex toilets exactly... I'm just not terribly confident that men and women really want to hear each other sh1t. Eating habits tend to be vastly different with men typically eating far more, and so, their sh1ts are likely to be noisier/smellier. A massive generalisation but still.

I seen something on reddit recently that summed this up, it was in the r/karen joke sub. Basically some woman put a drop of period blood on the floor in a unisex bathroom to basically one up the men.

A guy responded with piss all over the seat and implying you dont want to play this game lol.

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I honestly blame sugar, stress, and sedentry living. I've been stressed before and I would immediately go for the sugar high fat items, but now I have turned full hippy and I go for the herbal teas. India seems to be pretty good, imo, as a lot of the spices curb sugar cravings, and if there's chilli it will wake you up a little bit.

I am usually kind of oblivious to stress, but I've literally realized yesterday I'm having the same issue.

I took a couple of days off last week, just pure "do nothing" relax. Being at home, by myself, doing whatever I pleased, I could have been used for a medical insurance advert the whole extended week end: couple of gym sessions, turkey breast, fish, salad for lunch/dinner, yoghurt for breakfast and so on.

Went back to work on Monday - by lunch I was already craving bad stuff (I mean as food, although I might have secretly wished explosive diarrhea to a couple of coworkers!). By the time I got back home, I said "feck off" to the gym and dug into sandwiches and cookies.

The fact many of us have jobs that are so sh1tty/boring/useless they literally tire your soul is something worth of a consideration. I am lucky enough not to have a spouse or kids weighing my choices down, so come January I'll most likely be handing my notice in, but most people don't have such luxury.

Mind you, that's not at all an exclusively a "male issue", although there could be a case for saying the concept "your job/salary is your worth" to be more important for guys than it is for the ladies.

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I can see how it could be seen as sexist as it doesn't mention women, but male obesity (more overweight imo) is quite a big deal.

It is, but there's a huge fault in the reporting method - the mathematical formula for the BMI is faulty in terms of over-reporting "fatness" as the height increases and "thinness" as it decreases. But don't take my word for it:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265215.php#3

What happens is very simple: a 1.60m tall, 62kg individual is "healthy" according to BMI, while a 1.80m, 82kg one is "overweight" by the same formula.

Considering the vast majority of women are shorter than the vast majority of men, it's clear to see what's happening when reports based on BMI paint the female population as "mostly in an healthy weight range".

When you add the different build distribution by biology - men having higher bone density and muscle mass - the double whammy is complete; The 1.60m, 62kg woman is considered "healthy" while being, in fact, considerably fatter in proportion to the 1.80, 82kg dude...unless she's an Olympic weightlifter and he's a "skinnyfat" soy-latte sipper.

This is not a "sexism" issue as much as one purely made of bad mathematics and sheer ignorance

newport2 wrote: »

Not sure if it's related, but I remember reading that the way men carry fat is worse for them. ie Overweight/obese men tend to be more apple shaped with fat around the waist, whereas women more pear shaped with fat around the behind and thighs. The accumulation of fat around the waist results in a more significant health risk for cardiac diseases, diabetes and cancer. Maybe this is a factor in having a more aggressive BMI target for men? Because where the fat accumulates is more harmful. Anyway, BMI should only be taken as a loose guideline, not really an accurate indicator.

Men do indeed tend to carry "intra-abdominal fat", which is basically fat beneath the muscle layer that is in direct contact with the organs (including the heart), hence worse for blood circulation that subcutaneous fat - which is more common in women. The typical hard-as-rock "beer belly" is the most classic example of intra-abdominal fat.

That said, many guys don't store fat intra-abdominally, I am one such examples.

The BMI doesn't have more or less "aggressive" targets for men and women, it just heavily favours people of shorter heights; Which is no surprise whatsoever, seeing it's a completely made up formula invented by a mathematician (not a physician) back in 1830, when the average height of a man was around 1.64m in Europe...

Just a random post that came up in my Tumblr feed:

3000s

college is like [meets a rlly pretty woman] [meets an ugly man] [meets a loud man] [meets a woman with life-changing insight] [meets a man with no regard for other people] [meets a man who perceives himself as the smartest in the room] etc etc

https://say-never.tumblr.com/post/189380496729

This has 54,981 notes, which means that at least 27,991 people have either liked it or re-blogged it

It's all part of the narcissism epidemic if you ask me, it is affecting how people see themselves, image wise and intellectually....it is rampant...these people will be unemployable in years to come!

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I do wonder how much the depictions of rape and the false studies about rape have changed how women view men.

Some influence all right, but in all fairness this "boys=scum" attitude, especially in American movies and TV series, has always existed. It's only natural it rubs off the real population, pretty much like many Irish and British teens go around speaking in an American accent (conversely, a friend of mine in the US has a little daughter who picked up a British accent off of...Peppa Pig!!!).

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Are we all creatures so desirous/afraid of them that we will spend most of our adult life in jail having a very bad time?

The bolded one, spectacularly strong one. Guys deny their very own nature for that. There's an entire chapter in Norah Vincent's "Self Made Man" about the sheer, unquestionable, unstoppable power women hold on men, usually without even realizing, through sheer attraction/seduction.

Calhoun wrote: »

Well anyone who thinks this is probably a big sexist. The great works of men are evidence that this is not the case but there are probably some who did these great works because it made them more attractive to the opposite sex.

It also doesn't mean all the great works have been men, women have delivered some very important stuff to the world.

I would respectfully disagree with that one, I have no doubt how attractive a man thinks he will be to women does/can dictate what a man does, especially when it comes to what they earn....when it comes to the extreme's where a person defines their life on what they do or achieve very often sacrifice all the things that normal life brings....creative talent or the pursuit of excellence is torture more often than not...it is testament to human endeavor that drives a person, man or woman, to succeed in the extreme!

As for men being sex obsessed I think men (that are sex obsessed) grow out of that phase in their early twenties...I can only speak for myself, but when I'm in the company of other males and more often than not that is where I find myself...we never talk about sex or women!