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Schooled by an E-bike

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  • 23-05-2019 10:32pm
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    Oberkon
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    First time I’ve seen this particularly up Howth head . A woman on a fat E bike shafted me going up the head this evening . I actually couldn’t believe how easy it was for her ..Anyone seen these Vulcano Fat E bikes ? No idea what speed they can achieve on the flat but really come into their own for commutes with hills. Was a bit of an eye opener out there


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    magicbastarder
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    saw a fat e-bike for the first time the other day. or is that an e-fat bike?


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    Plastik
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    A fatty bike.


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    Oberkon
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    saw a fat e-bike for the first time the other day. or is that an e-fat bike?

    There is something surreal about it . I’ve seen plenty of e bikes but that’s the first time I’ve had someone blow me completely out of it on one , especially one like that . I was catching a bit on the downhill but didn’t last when we went up again


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    ED E
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    If they were really blasting it up they were likely on a >250W unit which is illegal, just FYI.


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    Oberkon
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    ED E wrote: »
    If they were really blasting it up they were likely on a >250W unit which is illegal, just FYI.

    First thing I thought alright .


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    Alek
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    If they were really blasting it up they were likely on a >250W unit which is illegal, just FYI.

    You can keep a steady 25kph on any legal mid drive ebike up Howth, with little actual effort, which is "blasting" for many :)


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    Joe1919
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    ED E wrote: »
    If they were really blasting it up they were likely on a >250W unit which is illegal, just FYI.

    The 250w refers to 'continuous' maximum power. On hill climbs, the motor usually draws more current (e.g. 14 amps at 36v). For example, my own 250w bafang (Halfords, legal, unmodified) is rated as 500 w (electrical power) intermittent in the specs that came with bike, which could give about 350-400w (70-80% efficiency) extra mechanical power to the cycling effort (legs) of the cyclist.


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    strmin
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    When I was in Spain, I saw some of those e-bikes doing 35-40km/h on 8-10% gradients. Did not surprise me at all. They are MOTORbikes afterall.


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    Canis Lupus
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    Yeah I think you need to sort of put it out of your head that they're bicycles. They just look like them. Awesome method of transport if fitness isn't the end goal though.


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    1bryan
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    e-bikes that have had their speed limiters disabled, are motorbikes. They have no place on our roads.


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    Duckjob
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    1bryan wrote: »
    e-bikes that have had their speed limiters disabled, are motorbikes. They have no place on our roads.

    They're already illegal to be on the road (incidentally, the same way thousands of cars that have had undeclared power remaps' are, though that rarely seems to raise an eyebrow).

    Motorbikes they are not though. An unrestricted ebike isn't going to get anything like the speed of a motorbike due to simple physics of power vs wind resistance.


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    ht9zni1gs28crp
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    If your dissapointed that you got 'shafted' by an e-bike maybe its time for some self awareness classes!

    Like saying I got shafted by a Ferrari at the lights in my Golf teediddlyeye its not fair...


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    unkel
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    miller_63 wrote: »
    Like saying I got shafted by a Ferrari at the lights in my Golf teediddlyeye its not fair...

    Your Ferrari is more likely to get shafted at the lights by an eGolf :pac:


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    the.red.baron
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    whats the auld 0-60 on one of them bad boys hah?


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    odyssey06
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    Think of it as a Derny!
    pe_2298883b.jpg

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    CantGetNoSleep
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    I go to Switzerland a lot and you see a lot of commuters on speed pedelecs. Licence plate, wing mirrors and I think tax and insurance.

    I was overtaken on my commute by one of those new Uber bikes yesterday though - basically like a Dublin Bike with a motor


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    Alkers
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    1bryan wrote:
    e-bikes that have had their speed limiters disabled, are motorbikes. They have no place on our roads.
    It doesn't need a disabled speed limiter to get 20km/hr up a hill, which is where the OP said he was passed by one...


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    secman
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    I know a chap who got one, its limited to 20 kph, very useful on climbs but tough on the flat if he needs to he at 28 to 30kph in a group. He had major heart surgery last year, practically died but brought back. He occasionally goes out on his normal road bike, most likely on the flat doing a solo spin. His regular bike is 7 Kg, the ebike is over 12kg. He's constantly watching his heart rate on his watch, understandable.


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    the.red.baron
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    secman wrote: »
    I know a chap who got one, its limited to 20 kph, very useful on climbs but tough on the flat if he needs to he at 28 to 30kph in a group. He had major heart surgery last year, practically died but brought back. He occasionally goes out on his normal road bike, most likely on the flat doing a solo spin. His regular bike is 7 Kg, the ebike is over 12kg. He's constantly watching his heart rate on his watch, understandable.




    getting one limited to 20k seems illogical


    really 30kph is where the limit should be at, a usable speed on the flat and be great on the uphill


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    magicbastarder
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    it's not a 'limit' on the bike, you can still do 30km/h if you want, as long as you're willing to pedal it to that speed.


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    grogi
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    Oberkon wrote: »
    First time I’ve seen this particularly up Howth head . A woman on a fat E bike shafted me going up the head this evening . I actually couldn’t believe how easy it was for her ..Anyone seen these Vulcano Fat E bikes ? No idea what speed they can achieve on the flat but really come into their own for commutes with hills. Was a bit of an eye opener out there

    The assistance should switch off at 25kmh, so on the flats you're on your own.


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    the.red.baron
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    it's not a 'limit' on the bike, you can still do 30km/h if you want, as long as you're willing to pedal it to that speed.




    it's not a 'Limit' on the bike


    It's a 'limit' on the electric assistance


    but a limit all the same


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    loyatemu
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    I was going along Merrion Road at about 25km/h the other day and was overtaken like I wasn't moving at all by a guy on a very fancy looking eBike. Clearly chipped - he was drafting a bus too for extra crazy points.


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    magicbastarder
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    the.red.baron wrote: »
    really 30kph is where the limit should be at, a usable speed on the flat and be great on the uphill
    surely 25km/h is a usable speed on the flat? you'd need to be a fit cyclist to sustain 30km/h on a normal bike.

    i just think e-bike proponents should be wary of the 'we want to go faster' approach; if they change the regs they might change the conditions too.


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    magicbastarder
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    I was going along Merrion Road at about 25km/h the other day and was overtaken like I wasn't moving at all by a guy on a very fancy looking eBike. Clearly chipped - he was drafting a bus too for extra crazy points.
    i was doing 37km/h on the rock road last summer and was passed by a guy in a suit on a bike, who pretty much left me standing.


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    the.red.baron
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    surely 25km/h is a usable speed on the flat? you'd need to be a fit cyclist to sustain 30km/h on a normal bike.

    i just think e-bike proponents should be wary of the 'we want to go faster' approach; if they change the regs they might change the conditions too.




    nah


    what does fit mean exactly?



    easy enough to keep up 30kph on the flat really, this is point to point now, not including stops for roundabouts, traffic lights etc, which would affect overall speed, but would affect leccy and non leccy alike



    this is a drop handle bars bike now


    the perfect example is the guy with the 20kph bike, goosed in probably a pretty average group spin as he is now lugging around a monster bike with no assist, just to get an assist on the hills when it goes below 20kph


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    1bryan
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    the.red.baron wrote: »
    getting one limited to 20k seems illogical


    really 30kph is where the limit should be at, a usable speed on the flat and be great on the uphill

    the average speed of a dublin commute by bike is around 19km/h. So a limit of 30km/h is a ridiculous suggestion


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    the.red.baron
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    1bryan wrote: »
    the average speed of a dublin commute by bike is around 19km/h. So a limit of 30km/h is a ridiculous suggestion




    no it's not


    you dont' have to go 30kph if you choose to not


    sure if it's 25k, is that not ridiculous


    and now how did measure this average speed?


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    the.red.baron
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    1bryan wrote: »
    the average speed of a dublin commute by bike is around 19km/h. So a limit of 30km/h is a ridiculous suggestion




    it's a speed limit, not a target :pac:


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    1bryan
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    the.red.baron wrote: »
    it's a speed limit, not a target :pac:

    ah grand, so we'll let cars and motorbikes into the cycle lanes so


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