Limerick GAA Discussion Part 2

20-05-2019 11:28pm

shockframe wrote: »

leestone wrote: »

Last year limerick had Lady Luck in their side particularly in the semi and final. Yes they have expectional players but I seen yesterday many of the bigger stars are not as good as they may think.

Limerick can go bounce back but i can see their less known stars doing it[/QUOTE

Last years all Ireland involved more than luck. We were helped by Cork's lack of bench and Galway's final no-show but we beat the previous years 4 semi finalists plus Kilkenny.6 games of excellent play over the season.

If anything we overachieved given the age profile of the team and the transition away from the team of 2011-14. The objective for the first 2 seasons was to establish competitiveness.Hardly anyone expected an All Ireland last year.

I doubt we will get through this year. Even if we do an All Ireland is beyond us I reckon. Emerging teams retaining Liam Mccarthy or Sam Maguire after a spell in the wilderness seems an impossible job. Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone, Kilkenny, Tipp have all come unstuck. Only Meath in the late 80s have bucked the trend.

Winning a first All Ireland has an effect. The celebrations, the awards, the guest speaking, TV/Podcasts, the photos, club events etc all take its toll. Not to mention the effort involved to win it. It all adds up.

I'm confident we will challenge in the years ahead but the odds are stacked against us this year I'd say.

I'd go along with that, and honestly, while it's disappointing, winning the All Ireland and the league have been massive achievements. The main thing is that if we go out early that the wheels don't come off and the achievements aren't built on.

I can easily see what happened to Clare post 2013 happening to Limerick, but I'm hopeful it won't (I also think Clare are more or less back now and could win this year).

Pogue eile · 21-05-2019 9:00am

High bike wrote: »

theres a lot of mileage on the legs of 10 or 11 of those Tipp lads we’ll see in a couple of months how they cope

I think that's where last years early exit, combined with the new management and Sheedy's treatment of the league will all play a big part, they have also used 24 players in the first two games which will be a big help. The big performances have also being coming from the younger guys or the middle aged guys to be more accurate - Barrett, Breen, Forde, John McGrath, Bubbles are all in the 24-26 age bracket which is the prime age for an inter-county hurler. The oldest player on the Tipp team is Callanan at 30 and there are only two others in their 30th year - Brendan Maher and Padraic Maher - I would struggle to classify any of those 3 as potential weak links.

Nic_Col · 21-05-2019 4:15pm

bigpink wrote: »

Someone gone from the back room team??

I now know why you posted this and why you couldn't elaborate on it, i feel very sorry for the players and hope it gets resolved soon but I fear the damage to the may be too much to recover from in just three short weeks.

One of Kiely's buzzwords he has regularly used is "trust" and the players have bought into that. Things didn't look right on Sunday and I've no doubting this has played a big role in that.

I wish I could discuss the issue at hand but boards would rightly censor me as there's potential legal ramifications, but it will all come out soon enough.

Pogue eile · 21-05-2019 4:48pm

Nic_Col wrote: »

I now know why you posted this and why you couldn't elaborate on it, i feel very sorry for the players and hope it gets resolved soon but I fear the damage to the may be too much to recover from in just three short weeks.

One of Kiely's buzzwords he has regularly used is "trust" and the players have bought into that. Things didn't look right on Sunday and I've no doubting this has played a big role in that.

I wish I could discuss the issue at hand but boards would rightly censor me as there's potential legal ramifications, but it will all come out soon enough.

My understanding is that the individual in question had an extremely minor role in a massive background team, can't see how it would have any affect on the teams performance on Sunday. Things didn't look right on Sunday because they were out fought by a team of equal ability, same as what happened Cork the previous week, its no big mystery, people are talking as if Limerick were suddenly 20 points a better team than the team they were blessed to beat in last years AI semi.

Nic_Col · 21-05-2019 4:59pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

My understanding is that the individual in question had an extremely minor role in a massive background team, can't see how it would have any affect on the teams performance on Sunday. Things didn't look right on Sunday because they were out fought by a team of equal ability, same as what happened Cork the previous week, its no big mystery, people are talking as if Limerick were suddenly 20 points a better team than the team they were blessed to beat in last years AI semi.

Nobody has out fought Limerick since the 2017 NHL semi final, the work rate was their biggest strength but since the NHL final mysteriously went backwards?

You're incorrect in your assessment of the role of the man in question, he would be in regular contact and would regularly interact with the players. It can be very disappointing to discover that someone you thought you could trust was not who you thought they were. You underestimate the importance of the overall group dynamic.

Pogue eile · 21-05-2019 5:17pm

Nic_Col wrote: »

Nobody has out fought Limerick since the 2017 NHL semi final, the work rate was their biggest strength but since the NHL final mysteriously went backwards?

You're incorrect in your assessment of the role of the man in question, he would be in regular contact and would regularly interact with the players. It can be very disappointing to discover that someone you thought you could trust was not who you thought they were. You underestimate the importance of the overall group dynamic.

The league to be fair is about as relevant as the ploughing championships!!

I'm not privy to the exact roles of all the Limerick background team but was told by a reliable source what he thought the mans role was and in the bigger scheme of things it is very minor. Such an incident should not directly affect an entire teams mentality and certainly not one that is using the services of Caroline Currid.

21-05-2019 5:44pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

The league to be fair is about as relevant as the ploughing championships!!

I'm not privy to the exact roles of all the Limerick background team but was told by a reliable source what he thought the mans role was and in the bigger scheme of things it is very minor. Such an incident should not directly affect an entire teams mentality and certainly not one that is using the services of Caroline Currid.

More or less afaik.

Think Sunday was really just a combination of factors tbh. Cork are a good side (and were a good side when they nearly beat us last year in the semi-final). We lost badly to Clare last year in case anyone has forgotten, anyone who ever thought Limerick were unbeatable was naive at best.

BloodyBill · 21-05-2019 6:53pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

I love this myth that seems to have grown legs about Tipp having no pace, long may it continue!

They have players with no pace..The 2 Mahers,Ford ,Bubbles..ect

letsseehere14 · 21-05-2019 8:13pm

BloodyBill wrote:

They have players with no pace..The 2 Mahers,Ford ,Bubbles..ect

Ah yes. 4 of the best Hurlers in the country. But it's ok. They've no pace.

paddy no 11 · 21-05-2019 8:30pm

Feck tipp and cork, back to ourselves, the players couldn't have been properly prepared last week, had the league too easy and didn't give fringe players enough time and got absolutely no cover for fb line

Mike Casey first senior game since a serious injury and he was strapped

Lack of pace in half back line is our biggest weakness and we watched Daniel kearney destroy us twice last year and thought we'd try that a 3rd time....right

DOD and hayes had poor leagues and carried form into Sunday

Management have to ask why lynch and mul were up to standard but no one else

And stuff in camp would definitely had an effect

Up to management now to turn it around......bench choices poor too

Good luck for 2 weeks and come out fighting lads

BloodyBill · 21-05-2019 8:43pm

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Feck tipp and cork, back to ourselves, the players couldn't have been properly prepared last week, had the league too easy and didn't give fringe players enough time and got absolutely no cover for fb line

Mike Casey first senior game since a serious injury and he was strapped

Lack of pace in half back line is our biggest weakness and we watched Daniel kearney destroy us twice last year and thought we'd try that a 3rd time....right

DOD and hayes had poor leagues and carried form into Sunday

Management have to ask why lynch and mul were up to standard but no one else

And stuff in camp would definitely had an effect

Up to management now to turn it around......bench choices poor too

Good luck for 2 weeks and come out fighting lads

I'd agree with a that. We seem to want to absolve management of all responsibility. 2014 Clare lost to Cork after winning the All Ireland. Kinnerk brought nothing new and Cork adjusted from the year previous and ran out easy winners.

Wheres Pat Ryan? Hes the most dangerous sub we have yet hes not in the match day squad. I dont care what he does in a 60 min training match. Its what he does in 20 mins that I want to see. Is there cover for the fullback line?

And not to repeat what's being said but Daniel Kearney on Byrnes is a disaster. Byrnes gets roasted every time. These arent new developments but management arent this ruthless team we all expected them to be. They are slow on the line. Cody would have hauled off one of the fullback and halfback line 5 mins into the second half.

High bike · 21-05-2019 10:53pm

All Ireland winners don’t become a bad team overnight even if they were lucky winners as some people here seem to think.Its fairly obvious that they weren’t ready for the challenge that Cork brought and that’s down to management .They now under pressure to produce what we know they can do,and have 2 weeks to get their act together or else they’r out.Roll on Waterford and get back in the race to get out of Munster or else it’s going to be a short year.Remember lads Tipp Cork and Clare are going to take points off each other too so all is not lost yet

Mehapoy · 22-05-2019 12:55am

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Feck tipp and cork, back to ourselves, the players couldn't have been properly prepared last week, had the league too easy and didn't give fringe players enough time and got absolutely no cover for fb line

Mike Casey first senior game since a serious injury and he was strapped

Lack of pace in half back line is our biggest weakness and we watched Daniel kearney destroy us twice last year and thought we'd try that a 3rd time....right

DOD and hayes had poor leagues and carried form into Sunday

Management have to ask why lynch and mul were up to standard but no one else

And stuff in camp would definitely had an effect

Up to management now to turn it around......bench choices poor too

Good luck for 2 weeks and come out fighting lads

Ya everybody seemed to be flat on Sunday, including management, have to say DOD has not been near his form of last year and maybe a tine on the bench might do him good, our forward line doesnt move as well when flanagan is not at ff, if he's out for the whole round robin we need someone to fulfill that role, dowling, casey, gillane are not the same sort of player as him, maybe Barry Murphy?
On the bright side better get this kick up the hole in the first game rather than in a knockout where you can't recover, will be hard to get 5 points from the next 3 but that is what we will need

paddy no 11 · 22-05-2019 10:36am

Mehapoy wrote: »

Ya everybody seemed to be flat on Sunday, including management, have to say DOD has not been near his form of last year and maybe a tine on the bench might do him good, our forward line doesnt move as well when flanagan is not at ff, if he's out for the whole round robin we need someone to fulfill that role, dowling, casey, gillane are not the same sort of player as him, maybe Barry Murphy?
On the bright side better get this kick up the hole in the first game rather than in a knockout where you can't recover, will be hard to get 5 points from the next 3 but that is what we will need

Yeah gillane has to go to the corner, with a new full forward, could play mulcahy as FF 30 yards from goal and let him distribute from there seen him do it from there or Downes 30 yards out and tell him to run at the defence. Casey & Mul not a great combo, casey cant really pass the ball is an out and out finisher needs to work on this. There are options there, the lads on the sideline (all Ireland winners:D) just need to change things up a bit. Need to Give someone with pace a run at midfield/half back to give options

Walter.White · 22-05-2019 11:42am

Pogue eile wrote: »

Nic_Col wrote: »

Nobody has out fought Limerick since the 2017 NHL semi final, the work rate was their biggest strength but since the NHL final mysteriously went backwards?

You're incorrect in your assessment of the role of the man in question, he would be in regular contact and would regularly interact with the players. It can be very disappointing to discover that someone you thought you could trust was not who you thought they were. You underestimate the importance of the overall group dynamic.

The league to be fair is about as relevant as the ploughing championships!!

I'm not privy to the exact roles of all the Limerick background team but was told by a reliable source what he thought the mans role was and in the bigger scheme of things it is very minor. Such an incident should not directly affect an entire teams mentality and certainly not one that is using the services of Caroline Currid.

Caroline Currid is gone from the set up, she was replaced by Tony Og Regan from Galway I think

Pogue eile · 22-05-2019 3:43pm

Walter.White wrote: »

Caroline Currid is gone from the set up, she was replaced by Tony Og Regan from Galway I think

Really surprised to hear that, I assume it was her decision? Because if not it is bizzare, her record is incredible.

Walter.White · 22-05-2019 4:00pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Walter.White wrote: »

Caroline Currid is gone from the set up, she was replaced by Tony Og Regan from Galway I think

Really surprised to hear that, I assume it was her decision? Because if not it is bizzare, her record is incredible.

Yeah it is as her decision she usually only stays with a team for one year.

Walter.White · 22-05-2019 4:03pm

Yeah, it was her decision. I meant to say.

Walter.White · 22-05-2019 4:08pm

Just a word on the minors, thought they played well against a very strong Cork team. Took some lovely scores second half and the full backline played very well to contain the Cork full forward line who destroyed Tipp last week.

English, O Connor and O'Neill all got some nice scores. The half back Coughlan from ballybrown played well along with the two midfielders. It was a good game of Hurling.

High bike · 22-05-2019 8:22pm

Walter.White wrote: »

Yeah it is as her decision she usually only stays with a team for one year.

Well it's very bad timing whatever the reason I'm sure it's not as simple as that otherwise why wait till now

ft9 · 22-05-2019 8:40pm

High bike wrote: »

Well it's very bad timing whatever the reason I'm sure it's not as simple as that otherwise why wait till now

She didn’t leave just now, she hasn’t been involved with Limerick in 2019.

22-05-2019 9:34pm

High bike wrote: »

Well it's very bad timing whatever the reason I'm sure it's not as simple as that otherwise why wait till now

She left ages back, on good terms. She has been back for events since.

High bike · 22-05-2019 9:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

She left ages back, on good terms. She has been back for events since.

if that’s the case what’s all the fuss about,just move on and get on with it

lim4ev · 22-05-2019 11:47pm

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Yeah gillane has to go to the corner, with a new full forward, could play mulcahy as FF 30 yards from goal and let him distribute from there seen him do it from there or Downes 30 yards out and tell him to run at the defence. Casey & Mul not a great combo, casey cant really pass the ball is an out and out finisher needs to work on this. There are options there, the lads on the sideline (all Ireland winners:D) just need to change things up a bit. Need to Give someone with pace a run at midfield/half back to give options

Paddy any chance you'd watch the last 7 minutes of the all irl semi final normal time and then say again casey cant really pass the ball

Pogue eile · 23-05-2019 7:47am

High bike wrote: »

if that’s the case what’s all the fuss about,just move on and get on with it

I think you are mixing up two different conversations here, the original departure that sparked the debate was not Caroline's

BloodyBill · 23-05-2019 8:32am

I note that people seem to be unwilling to countenance dropping someone from the Half back line. I'd like to see Dan Morrissey in the centre as a stopping centre back and Paddy O Loughlin come in on the wing. Then one from Hannon and Byrnes on the wing.
For the Waterford game I'd start Dowling in at full forward in an orthodox full forward line with Mulcahy and Gillane. I'd also ask English to tweek his game and not be 'all or nothing' every time

High bike · 23-05-2019 8:45am

Pogue eile wrote: »

I think you are mixing up two different conversations here, the original departure that sparked the debate was not Caroline's

ok so who then,what’s all the mystery about?

paddy no 11 · 23-05-2019 10:51am

lim4ev wrote: »

Paddy any chance you'd watch the last 7 minutes of the all irl semi final normal time and then say again casey cant really pass the ball

Come on, in general he doesn't pass, had an opportunity to play lads in on goal on sunday and couldn't/didnt - not the first time - we all have room for improvement

LMK · 23-05-2019 6:13pm

If it had to happen then the Cork defeat couldn't have come at a better time.

I thought the first half was ok, second half poor, a lot of silly frees given away followed by the obligatory hop skip and jump by the perpetrators.. doesn't usually end well.. possibly workrate wasn't high enough to make everything else happen or just that Cork were that good

Its clear that when we aren't bossing the game then our poorish scoring efficiency against quality opposition is a big burden

One thing that stood out (in a bad way) for a few reasons, it looked as if DO'D is our sole line ball taker this looks amateurish when it goes pear shaped as it did on Sunday

I think if they can keep their composure and scratch out a few wins without making the headlines then they will be fine and dangerous in 6 weeks time.

Mehapoy · 23-05-2019 10:50pm

LMK wrote: »

If it had to happen then the Cork defeat couldn't have come at a better time.

I thought the first half was ok, second half poor, a lot of silly frees given away followed by the obligatory hop skip and jump by the perpetrators.. doesn't usually end well.. possibly workrate wasn't high enough to make everything else happen or just that Cork were that good

Its clear that when we aren't bossing the game then our poorish scoring efficiency against quality opposition is a big burden

One thing that stood out (in a bad way) for a few reasons, it looked as if DO'D is our sole line ball taker this looks amateurish when it goes pear shaped as it did on Sunday

I think if they can keep their composure and scratch out a few wins without making the headlines then they will be fine and dangerous in 6 weeks time.

A bit like clare last year, if it doesn't derail the whole season may be best in the long term...alot of the media hype has disappeared about us being kilkenny 2006-2012 incarnate, no matter how they try to block that out it has to seep through. Things were way too casual, even dod missing those sidelines, head wasnt in it.
Would like to see us develop an speedy alternate for the half back line in case we get pulled apart like last Sunday.

lim4ev · 23-05-2019 11:25pm

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Come on, in general he doesn't pass, had an opportunity to play lads in on goal on sunday and couldn't/didnt - not the first time - we all have room for improvement

I think I might know the passage of play you're talking about was it when Hegarty made a great run? If so you could see he knew he was there but just couldn't get to him. Anyway paddy sorry don't agree with you on that, but yes all have room for improvement

lim4ev · 23-05-2019 11:32pm

Maybe going forward starting our best team isn't the way to go also as mentioned above a speedier half back line would be a good option to have would colin ryan do a job there? I'm not suggesting wholesale changes for Waterford game but if we started o Donohue at 6 Hanley at 9 boylan at half forward and dowling or flanagan at 14 now you have a strong bench to come on

paddy no 11 · 24-05-2019 11:25am

Hannon is a super hurler and stil lstarts but when a Kearney/Kelly type player is picked to roam then someone has to pick them up - not players fault here

slegs · 28-05-2019 11:50am

Huge match this weekend lads. Really looking forward to it and very nervous at the same time. Fully expect us to be up for this from the off but so will Waterford with how their campaign has gone so far. The whole championship for Limerick is hanging on this game as it will likely be too much pressure to get 4/4 points from last two games (also 4 might not be enough to get through!)

One_More_Mile · 28-05-2019 12:44pm

slegs wrote: »

Huge match this weekend lads. Really looking forward to it and very nervous at the same time. Fully expect us to be up for this from the off but so will Waterford with how their campaign has gone so far. The whole championship for Limerick is hanging on this game as it will likely be too much pressure to get 4/4 points from last two games (also 4 might not be enough to get through!)

Massive game for both sides. From a Limerick perspective if they don't win (& that's a big ask down there) you'd have to say the year is over for them.
I'd like to see Dowling start at FF and gillane going corner forward for the extra bit of grunt . Hopefully they won't be as flat as they were against Cork

KrustyUCC · 28-05-2019 3:47pm

I think ye will bounce back alright

The first game will bring ye on no end

High bike · 28-05-2019 6:25pm

Things are very quiet since the Cork match which is a good sign, I’d say they’ll come out through the dressing room door on Sunday and hopefully get the show back on the road

BloodyBill · 28-05-2019 7:42pm

High bike wrote: »

Things are very quiet since the Cork match which is a good sign, I’d say they’ll come out through the dressing room door on Sunday and hopefully get the show back on the road

Yes hopefully they will. The alternative is rather depressing. Lose on Sunday and Limerick will lose again to Clare the following week and follow that up with Tipp in Thurles for a 'nothing' match..

billyhead · 28-05-2019 8:01pm

I think we will beat Waterford on Sunday. The Clare game will be a right battle. Hopefully if we beat Clare Tipp will already be in the Munster final and will rest players for their final round robin game. Limerick Abu.

High bike · 28-05-2019 8:03pm

billyhead wrote: »

I think we will beat Waterford on Sunday. The Clare game will be a right battle. Hopefully if we beat Clare Tipp will already be in the Munster final and will rest players for their final round robin game. Limerick Abu.

i love ur optimism;)

lim4ev · 28-05-2019 11:15pm

billyhead wrote: »

I think we will beat Waterford on Sunday. The Clare game will be a right battle. Hopefully if we beat Clare Tipp will already be in the Munster final and will rest players for their final round robin game. Limerick Abu.

An alternative scenario could be us losing to Waterford clare beating tipp then us beating clare and tipp and go thru on the head to head with tipp??

Mehapoy · 29-05-2019 2:38am

lim4ev wrote: »

An alternative scenario could be us losing to Waterford clare beating tipp then us beating clare and tipp and go thru on the head to head with tipp??

I think if we lose to Waterford that's our year finished, couldn't see them finding form to beat clare and tipp after losing first 2.

High bike · 29-05-2019 8:35am

There’s no guarantee that Tipp will win in Ennis,I know I wouldn’t be surprised if Clare win that one and burst the Tipp bubble

letsseehere14 · 29-05-2019 10:11am

High bike wrote:

Thereâ€™s no guarantee that Tipp will win in Ennis,I know I wouldnâ€™t be surprised if Clare win that one and burst the Tipp bubble

Agree there. And if we get back on track against Waterford and Clare it's not a crazy outcome that heading into the last round it may be
Tipp pld 3, 4 pts
Clare pld 3, 4 pts
Limerick pld 3, 4 pts
Cork pld 3, 4 pts
W'ford pld 4, 0 pts

slegs · 29-05-2019 10:23am

letsseehere14 wrote: »

Agree there. And if we get back on track against Waterford and Clare it's not a crazy outcome that heading into the last round it may be
Tipp pld 3, 4 pts
Clare pld 3, 4 pts
Limerick pld 3, 4 pts
Cork pld 3, 4 pts
W'ford pld 4, 0 pts

And in that scenario Limerick would have to draw or beat Tipp as Clare beating Cork would put Lim out on head to head v Cork

High bike · 29-05-2019 11:03am

I wonder will ther be changes in the team for Sunday, will Flanagan start?

One_More_Mile · 29-05-2019 11:13am

High bike wrote: »

I wonder will ther be changes in the team for Sunday, will Flanagan start?

JK said in an interview last night Flanagan is injured but might make Clare game. D Dempsey is out and Tom Condon is fit again.
As for changes I doubt we will see any. They will probably give the lads a chance to prove that they are better than what they showed the last day.

High bike · 29-05-2019 12:06pm

One_More_Mile wrote: »

JK said in an interview last night Flanagan is injured but might make Clare game. D Dempsey is out and Tom Condon is fit again.
As for changes I doubt we will see any. They will probably give the lads a chance to prove that they are better than what they showed the last day.

ur prob right,Flanagan is a loss

mountgomery burns · 29-05-2019 1:13pm

If Clare beat Tipp they'll be on 4 points
If Cork beat Clare they'll be on 4 points
If Waterford beat Limerick and Cork they'll be on 4 points
If Limerick beat Clare and Tipp they'll be on 4 points

All 5 teams would then finish on 4 points. It's not inconceivable though obviously unlikely, but I think point is it's still too early to talk about permutations.

BloodyBill · 29-05-2019 1:13pm

One_More_Mile wrote: »

JK said in an interview last night Flanagan is injured but might make Clare game. D Dempsey is out and Tom Condon is fit again.
As for changes I doubt we will see any. They will probably give the lads a chance to prove that they are better than what they showed the last day.

There ll be three changes. At midfield, full forward and 1 more from the under par half backs. This giving guys a second chance is outdated and really theres no room for it in a large highly skilled and competitive panel.

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