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Ulster Bank League 2018-2019 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

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  • #1002
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Thats a cop out and FAI can manage it with FAI junior, intermediate and senior cup finals. Its ridiculous we dont do same with all levels of rugby games

    They're all already played there. It's not a cop out, I'd assume its in the contract somewhere. Doesn't get by the fact anyway that it's bloody expensive to open the ground anyway.


  • #1003
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    They're all already played there. It's not a cop out, I'd assume its in the contract somewhere. Doesn't get by the fact anyway that it's bloody expensive to open the ground anyway.
    You are assuming. Big assumptions to make. Everything shouldnt simply be down to cost of a venue being opened on a day.


  • #1004
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    You are assuming. Big assumptions to make. Everything shouldnt simply be down to cost of a venue being opened on a day.

    It's not so much an assumption, it's more an educated guess based on the previous events and that the stadium is operated on a 50/50 basis for everything else.
    And incase you hadn't noticed this is boards.ie not the stadiums operating company boardroom all we can really do it guesswork for these sort of things.
    And yes it is a factor, the IRFU aren't rolling around in money they can't afford to host games in Lansdowne Road and make a lose just because, there's a reason the Leinster schools final isn't held there anymore.


  • #1005
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    It's not so much an assumption, it's more an educated guess based on the previous events and that the stadium is operated on a 50/50 basis for everything else.
    And incase you hadn't noticed this is boards.ie not the stadiums operating company boardroom all we can really do it guesswork for these sort of things.
    And yes it is a factor, the IRFU aren't rolling around in money they can't afford to host games in Lansdowne Road and make a lose just because, there's a reason the Leinster schools final isn't held there anymore.
    Then you would never have any finals in some of the provincial stadiums.
    Everything cant be down to the financials. The cost benefit analysis of getting all ireland underage finals outweigh in the long term the financial costs.
    Same with underage finals in Donnybrook/Sportsground etc.


  • #1006
    troyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    D14Rugby wrote: »
    It's not so much an assumption, it's more an educated guess based on the previous events and that the stadium is operated on a 50/50 basis for everything else.
    And incase you hadn't noticed this is boards.ie not the stadiums operating company boardroom all we can really do it guesswork for these sort of things.
    And yes it is a factor, the IRFU aren't rolling around in money they can't afford to host games in Lansdowne Road and make a lose just because, there's a reason the Leinster schools final isn't held there anymore.
    Then you would never have any finals in some of the provincial stadiums.
    Everything cant be down to the financials. The cost benefit analysis of getting all ireland underage finals outweigh in the long term the financial costs.
    Same with underage finals in Donnybrook/Sportsground etc.

    Just to play devil's advocate here, what is the primary goal of moving more games to Lansdowne?

    Are people really going to pay to watch a match that they're not willing to go to for free?

    Why is it necessarily a concern that people don't attend club games?

    As someone who doesn't go to many club games, I'm interested to hear your answers here. You're clearly the most passionately pro club person here. So what value do you see in getting more people watching club rugby? Or is it just for the sake of it?

    I think answering those questions would go a long way to deciding the AIL's future.


  • #1007
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    troyzer wrote: »
    Just to play devil's advocate here, what is the primary goal of moving more games to Lansdowne?

    Are people really going to pay to watch a match that they're not willing to go to for free?

    Why is it necessarily a concern that people don't attend club games?

    As someone who doesn't go to many club games, I'm interested to hear your answers here. You're clearly the most passionately pro club person here. So what value do you see in getting more people watching club rugby? Or is it just for the sake of it?

    I think answering those questions would go a long way to deciding the AIL's future.
    Its about recognition of the competitions, for the players the clubs involved. The premier all ireland competitions should be played in the countries premier rugby venue.
    And the all ireland youths finals are not free to go to. There is a cost.
    The value in people attending club games more is about the community aspect, the long term goal. For younger people if they have kids it will be through clubs that their initial forays into rugby will be if they play the sport etc and having ties helps keep that going. This is much more than simply the AIL


  • #1008
    troyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    Just to play devil's advocate here, what is the primary goal of moving more games to Lansdowne?

    Are people really going to pay to watch a match that they're not willing to go to for free?

    Why is it necessarily a concern that people don't attend club games?

    As someone who doesn't go to many club games, I'm interested to hear your answers here. You're clearly the most passionately pro club person here. So what value do you see in getting more people watching club rugby? Or is it just for the sake of it?

    I think answering those questions would go a long way to deciding the AIL's future.
    Its about recognition of the competitions, for the players the clubs involved. The premier all ireland competitions should be played in the countries premier rugby venue.
    And the all ireland youths finals are not free to go to. There is a cost.
    The value in people attending club games more is about the community aspect, the long term goal. For younger people if they have kids it will be through clubs that their initial forays into rugby will be if they play the sport etc and having ties helps keep that going. This is much more than simply the AIL

    Alright well I don't have kids and we have no intention of having any.

    We also don't have a rugby team in our area. There's one close by but it's the next parish over as they say.

    I understand what you mean about building communities etc. But to be honest, is it normal for people to attend their local club amateur games in any sport? There's a soccer club 50m from my house, nobody goes to the games. Unless of course you have a family member playing. There's also a cricket team just up the road, they play regularly enough and you'd see them walking to the shop. I've never seen more than a handful of people watching.

    The entire concept of going to an amateur game just for the sake of it is weird to me. And that's obviously quite common.

    What you seem to be talking about more is engagement with the club in general but I would argue that attending games is a poor proxy for that. I have no club to join in my area. I wouldn't feel that community spirit with a club that I have to jump on the M50 to get to.

    I'm starting to ramble a bit here. I'm just struggling to understand why it's important to get people to watch amateur sport. I've gone to a few Trinity games but that's more nostalgia for when I studied there. They were also handy enough times just before a few internationals in Lansdowne. I wouldn't have gone otherwise.


  • #1009
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Can't really have more as the events are pretty much split 50/50 football/rugby then extra events on top of that so for every rugby match you add you're adding another football match. And every event has to go towards the stadium board and if the FAI can't match it they'll probably try block it or get in on the revenue. The stadium is also pretty expensive to open and run.

    Don't think that's how it works


  • #1010
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Angus Lloyd started for Clontarf and Conor O'Brien and Vakh Abdaladze came on off the bench.

    Thought it was a great game of rugby in general. Clontarf really didn't make the most of their opportunities in the first half whilst Con did the exact opposite and then started the 2nd half really well. Thought the ref had a very good game and allowed the game flow. Great to see Pro's like Duncan Williams getting stuck in to help out their club and nice way for him to sign off. Paul Barr has done a really excellent job in getting Con playing a more expansive game and it has really paid dividends. Tough result for Clontarf but given the strength of their U'20s this season I think we will be seeing a lot more of them in the future.


  • #1011
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Also well done to UCC on staying up. Expect them to be stronger again next season with more experience.

    Tough finish for Old Wesley but they have played some great rugby this season.


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  • #1012
    FellasFellas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    To be fair, the closeness of 1B showed this season that the teams there aren't ready to come up yet. UCC showed that they were definitely better than ninth this season in 1A, hopefully Hinch dont yoyo back down to 1B again.


  • #1013
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    troyzer wrote: »
    Alright well I don't have kids and we have no intention of having any.

    We also don't have a rugby team in our area. There's one close by but it's the next parish over as they say.
    How far away is it
    I understand what you mean about building communities etc. But to be honest, is it normal for people to attend their local club amateur games in any sport? There's a soccer club 50m from my house, nobody goes to the games. Unless of course you have a family member playing. There's also a cricket team just up the road, they play regularly enough and you'd see them walking to the shop. I've never seen more than a handful of people watching.

    The entire concept of going to an amateur game just for the sake of it is weird to me. And that's obviously quite common.
    Yes its extremely normal. GAA are the perfect example of whole upport.
    What you seem to be talking about more is engagement with the club in general but I would argue that attending games is a poor proxy for that. I have no club to join in my area. I wouldn't feel that community spirit with a club that I have to jump on the M50 to get to.
    Attending games is only part of engagement in a club. I worked on a job scheme in my local GAA club for a year. Huge proportion of the footfall was not directly linked to hurling(gaelic doesnt exist by and large in the club). Between cards, pilates classes, the gym, irish dancing the ground was busy most evenings.
    I'm starting to ramble a bit here. I'm just struggling to understand why it's important to get people to watch amateur sport. I've gone to a few Trinity games but that's more nostalgia for when I studied there. They were also handy enough times just before a few internationals in Lansdowne. I wouldn't have gone otherwise.
    power of community. link to who you are a member of etc.


  • #1014
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Is there a new thread yet?


  • #1015
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Is there a new thread yet?
    there is now...


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