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Work on site before planning permission??

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  • 12-09-2019 8:01pm
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    vwcorrado
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    Hi, just wondering if anyone can help me. A couple in the same village of us are going for planning permission in the next few weeks. For the past 2 months, they are getting the site ready. Mainly clearing it out for the trial hole, a drive way in and laying pipes for drainage and it is a very wet site. My question is can they do so much work to the site before the planning permission has been granted?


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    Rows Grower
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    vwcorrado wrote: »
    Hi, just wondering if anyone can help me. A couple in the same village of us are going for planning permission in the next few weeks. For the past 2 months, they are getting the site ready. Mainly clearing it out for the trial hole, a drive way in and laying pipes for drainage and it is a very wet site. My question is can they do so much work to the site before the planning permission has been granted?

    Yes.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    FishOnABike
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    The trial hole is usually dug as part of the site suitability assessment before a planning application is made.



    See https://www.clarecoco.ie/services/planning/planning-applications/before-you-apply/site-suitability-assessment/
    Quote - " In all cases where an application involves a proposal to use a septic tank or other on-site treatment system, a site assessment is required. Applicants must carry out a site assessment in advance of making a planning application."


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    woohoo!!!
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    The trial holes do not require planning, the driveway and drainage does.

    Edit: if it's a very wet site as you say, house application may get refused due to poor drainage for proposed septic tank.


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    Gumbo
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    vwcorrado wrote: »
    Hi, just wondering if anyone can help me. A couple in the same village of us are going for planning permission in the next few weeks. For the past 2 months, they are getting the site ready. Mainly clearing it out for the trial hole, a drive way in and laying pipes for drainage and it is a very wet site. My question is can they do so much work to the site before the planning permission has been granted?

    No planning required for the trial holes assuming they fill them back in afterwards. This removes the planning requirements for any alterations + or - 1m.

    Laying the drainage is not strictly a planning matter as it can be considered civil works, same as it may not require a Commencement Notice.

    Can you clarify the driveway bit. Creating a vehicular entrance requires planning. They may be just laying hard standing and depending on the area, this may not require planning either, iirc it’s 50% of the garden to the front of the building line.


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    vwcorrado
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    kceire wrote: »
    No planning required for the trial holes assuming they fill them back in afterwards. This removes the planning requirements for any alterations + or - 1m.

    Laying the drainage is not strictly a planning matter as it can be considered civil works, same as it may not require a Commencement Notice.

    Can you clarify the driveway bit. Creating a vehicular entrance requires planning. They may be just laying hard standing and depending on the area, this may not require planning either, iirc it’s 50% of the garden to the front of the building line.

    They have dug out the drive way and laid stones and cleared a way into the site. The trees n the field have been cut down , there is an old house/barn on the field already and that has been left there. The trees along the ditch have been cleared and they have put in a lot of pipes to clear the water on site. I just didn't realise you could do that much work before the planning permission has been granted. I thought it was just the trial hole that could be done.


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    Rows Grower
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    vwcorrado wrote: »
    They have dug out the drive way and laid stones and cleared a way into the site. The trees n the field have been cut down , there is an old house/barn on the field already and that has been left there. The trees along the ditch have been cleared and they have put in a lot of pipes to clear the water on site. I just didn't realise you could do that much work before the planning permission has been granted. I thought it was just the trial hole that could be done.

    Any land owner can do this work without planning, why should these people be treated any differently?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    woohoo!!!
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    Old house there already? Any such ground works then can be claimed as relating to that and therefore no planning required.


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