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Mortgage - low fee for breaking fixed rate

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Sunrise_Sunset


    It's a fixed rate so it won't change for 5 years. Once the 5 years are up, they'll send you out information regarding their fixed and variable rates at that time. You need a copy of your BER cert to return to them, needs to be dated within the last 10 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    A 2% tracker is not of any real value.

    At the end of September the rate will almost certainly be 2.75% (ECB 0.75%), at the end of December the rate has 80% chance of being 3.25% (ECB 1.25%) and a near certainty of 3%

    Ulster absolutely will allow you move rates and I'd be getting the entire amount fixed at 2.8% for 10 years.

    It will simply take a phone call.



  • Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭fungie


    Ring the bank every day about this, don't solely rely on your solicitor. I managed to get my old solicitor to send title deeds to BOI and for them to send them to new solicitor in a week. This wouldn't happened if I wasn't pushing it through.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25 rjr2


    Is it normal for your old solicitor to have the deeds or generally the banks have the deeds themselves?



  • Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭fungie


    No, it's not normal. One of the reasons I used a different solicitor when switching. My point still stands, stay on top of the bank.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭Bawnmore


    We're only just looking into this now, so apologies for probably stupid questions. We're coming to the end of our fixed term (bought house 3 years ago) and I'm trying to determine if we should be doing anything or not. Currently with Permanent TSB on 2.9% interest rate finishing up a 3 year fixed term in 3 months. So stupid questions:

    1. Is there anything we should be doing now to get the best rate we can? Should we get a valuation maybe? I'm guessing it'll have increased since we bought it.
    2. We went with the possible term (35 years) originally to keep payments low as we had some work to do on the house. We're planning on paying more towards this this now - is there any major difference between sticking with the longer term and overpaying vs going with a shorter term this time around?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭raxy


    1. If you check daft for prices of houses around you you'll get an idea of the current value, or call an estate agent & say you are thinking of selling & they will value it for you. If you change LTV you may need to pay for a bank valuation anyway. There's not much else to do except check out the rates available & decide which suite you best.
    2. If you are not overpaying by more than allowed I would keep the longer term & continue overpaying. It gives you the flexibility to stop overpaying if you need to for a while. If you are able to overpay more than they allow then you would be better reducing the term if they let you, some banks try to keep you on the same term & reduce your payment. If you reduce your term you will be paying more back quicker without overpaying & leaves you free to overpay on top of that again so you would be able to pay more back without going over the banks overpayment limits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Sunrise_Sunset


    Do you think interest rates will come back down if there is a recession? How long has it historically taken to come into effect once there's a recession?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    The current 0% is very unusual. A slowdown will possibly cap rises and you may not see rates go above 2%. But personally I can't see rates ever dropping to zero again once they move up.

    A small amount of inflation and positive interest rates are actually good for growing economies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Hi all. I'm currently with EBS on a fixed rate of 3.23%. this term is due to finish next January. I'm very conscious of the coming rate hikes and I'm wondering what's the best option for me? I like being in a fixed rate as I like to know what my exact outgoings are every month. Would it be wise to contact them now before the ECB raise rates? What response could I expect from them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,240 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Contact them. There may be little or no break fee and then you can break and refix.

    If you have b3 or higher BER, their green rate is their best rate although you may lose out on cash back.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    I switched to the green rate without a fee as did somebody else, I'm unsure why thery don't enforce their charge as they reserve the right to charge it per their terms. I didn't even mention the fee and neither did they. Switched and never had any fee afterwards. I only did it as somebody else said they also didn't get charged, wasn't going to bother before I saw that post. Hopefully you have a B3 BER to get 2.1%!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Just a quick follow up on this. I contacted EBS today and the end result is I'm starting a new 5 yr fixed rate at 2.75%, down from 3.25% which I was actually paying for the last 4.5 years. No breakage fee and my monthly payment is down a little bit. Glad to have gotten it sorted.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,240 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    A result. Was that through EBS phone support or your branch?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Through my local branch. Phoned them first and because I was in the area they told me call in and it would be quicker. They are definitely expecting word from head office of new higher rates in the coming days so I think I've gotten a good rate just in the nick of time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    Anyone know when the higher interest rates will become effective in the Irish market?

    Have been doing the AIB online application process and Im at the request for funds stage and my solicitor has sent in everything and it’s logged online - but seems like they are being suspiciously slow to actually let me drawdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Nothing suspicious. That's how it works and a lot of people are switching.

    Tracker rates change immediately after ECB announces a change (July 20th)

    Variable rates can have a delay. Very few people choose variable so the pr value of holding off an increase for a few weeks can be good

    Fixed rates can change anytime. A lot of European banks have changed a couple of times and Ireland is now one of the lowest rates for 10+ years.

    I suspect AIB will wait until August to change rates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    Oh good I was wondering were we a few days from them withdrawing that rate and they were stringing things out.

    It’s a frustratingly slow process. Will be delighted to have the low rate locked in but I’ll be equally happy not have to think about mortgages for a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭raxy


    You should try apply to Avant. repeatedly asking for the same information & taking 1-2 weeks in between each request to respond. I applied for a top up & also separately a 30k loan & included all this in the original application & the reasons for them. They asked what the loan was for & its term & repayments, then I was accused of applying for a loan without notifying them, it was the loan they queried the week before!.

    They have asked 3 times what the top up was requested for, leaving 1-2 weeks in between each time. last week they came back & asked how we were planning on financing our attic conversion. That was the 30k loan that was in our original application & had been separately explained at least twice in the whole process.

    With all their messing around we are now not going to be able to draw down before their rates go up so its now going to cost us thousands more in interest. The broker told us on the 20th of May to organise the valuation because Avant would approve our mortgage the following week. We first applied on the 13th April



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Your broker should have told you to keep it simple.


    Avant have had an absolute deluge of applications. Once everything matches their fairly strict criteria, it is smooth, but still takes 6-8 weeks.

    Anything even slightly different and it goes though a different process.


    Remember, they want near zero arrears on their mortgage book. By being very pernickety they are able to pass the substantial savings from having no arrears to customers. (I saw an ulster bank case where a €380k loan had over 200k in legal and receiver fees which the bank had to write off in addition to only getting €310k for the house)

    So looking for a top-up and a separate loan in addition to moving mortgage just raises flags. You should have simply put the main mortgage switch through and then look for separate finance for additions. Remember a top-up is not a a top-up, it is an entirely separate loan that is usually designed to have a similar end date to a main mortgage. But its an entirely standalone agreement in itself. - But if in your case you are taking a balance from one bank, then adding 50k and looking for a mortgage from avant for the combined total, it is a single loan, but is not a straightforward transaction as they will need to be sure that the extra finance is for doing work on the house and even then as the expenditure ahs not occurred, they may be wary.


    Bad broker imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,169 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Rates are lower now than any time in centuries.


    They won't be coming down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    @Danzy Would you be saying to take 25 or 30 year fixed rates to people starting out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,293 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Who is offering 25 or 30 year fixed rates? I cannot see it making any financial sense offering rates of that length to the lender or the borrower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,240 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Avant for one. Suggest you check out their rates. Not sure why you think it does make sense.

    Such long term offerings are common in other EU countries.

    Avant are inundated with switchers.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,293 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    I did but where are you seeing 25 or 30 year fixed rates from Avant?

    I see upto 10 years which seems to be the norm on offer here:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Avant offer a "one mortgage" product where you can fix for the term of the mortgage. 15-30 years

    https://www.avantmoney.ie/mortgages/one-mortgage

    It is not a fixed rate for 15 years and then a different rate - if you choose 15 years, its a 15 year term and the rate is fixed for the entire term of the mortgage. You can over pay and also if you move and you stay with avant, there is no break fee.


    If it the best value out there for new and existing mortgages


    You also have Finance Ireland https://www.financeireland.ie/products/residential-mortgages/long-term-fixed-rates/ Up to 25 year fixed. A little more expensive, but they allow you move and keep the rate on the balance at that time. So 400k at 3.2% and in 10 years you want to move, and your balance is 300k - your new mortgage is 300k at 3.2% for the remaining 15 years and then a separate mortgage if you require more finance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    It makes perfect sense.

    Markets are awash with money. Pension funds need a diverse mix so are willing to take a small margin on a near guaranteed positive return with virtually no risk.

    Avant are part of bank inter in Spain and also have huge long term deposits on their books.


    For the borrower its make perfect sense especially as avant have added some positive terms and conditions - you can pay up to 10% extra off every year without penalty and you also won't have a break fee if you move house and take a new mortgage out with them. With rates unlikely to be this low and most likely going to average 2% in the medium term (ECB has stated this) it gives you certainty. Each 100k will cost €418 per month over 30 years, so a 400k mortgage is €1670/month and it will never increase no matter where interest rates go.

    Taking the 400k - over 30 years at 2.95% (90%ltv) this costs €203k in interest.

    Same 400k and taking expected interest rate increases and using an average bank rate of 4.5%, that same 400k would cost €330k in interest over 30 years. That's €127,000 extra and many people will say that average mortgage rates over the next 20-30 years will be 4%-5%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    Always useful to look at the total repayment over the lifetime of the mortgage.

    Is the 10% over payment based on remaining balance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Is on their page. You can over pay the mortgage by 10% of the balance each year.

    They have a nice product. I gave up on the application process though. I don't know if it was the brokers fault or Avants but it was way more complicated than getting my mortgage 14 years ago or when I switched to UB 6 years ago.

    So I fixed as low as possible for as long as possible with my current lender (UB) which took one phone call and a couple of signatures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Sunrise_Sunset


    I switched to a fixed rate. Hard decision, I felt very conflicted. Just have to be ok with the decision now even if rates do come back down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,169 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I would genuinely stake my life on it that we'll see 10 .25 rises before we'll see one drop.


    If we see a rate drop in the next 5 years it is only because the Eurozone economy is in such a crisis that it is fighting for survival.


    Even if we had 10 rises interest rates would be negative in real terms and near multi century lows.


    If you can fix for 10 , 20, 30 years do so. Work out your sums carefully, every scenario.


    I've fixed for 10, hope to have it done by then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Sunrise_Sunset


    I was torn about what to do. It felt "wrong" to hand back my tracker, but my rate wasn't that good anyway at 2.1% and would've increased in the coming months.

    I fixed for 5 years. Will hopefully try to switch in 6 months once I'm through my probation period in my new job. Will hope to be quoted a zero break fee and try to switch to a lower fixed rate for 7-10 years with another lender. Right now I'm tied to PTSB due to changing employer. I also aim to have mine cleared in 10 years, all going well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,169 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The tracker was a beaut for the time you had it. It would be the opposite in the future.


    You have a plan and it makes sense, that's the biggest thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Your tracker was more expensive than Avant's standard variable rate.

    It literally was of no real value and you can be near certain it would have gone to 2.85% by end of September.


    Your original tracker rate was good, but once you moved and changed it to 2.1% it became just OK. Then Avant come along and shake the market.

    Today's low long term fixed rates of under 3% are the modern day trackers in terms of value.


    As Danzy also says, rates will not be dropping to zero ever again unless we have a catastrophic recession. And that's highly unlikely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭Robert2014


    I think we are finally over the line with the switch from KBC to Avant Money. We started the process at the start of the year and the waiting, etc. has been painful. We were on a fixed rate with KBC and they were charging us €1000 at the start of the year to break out of it but when time came to redeem the mortgage, there was no break fee. Hope this information helps someone and good luck with it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭ACAandCTA


    We're similar, started the Avant switch from BOI in March, just signed everything with our solicitor yesterday and she sent it off to Avant... Hopefully no issues as we've been guaranteed that if all in order by this Friday, we will meet the drawdown deadline of Friday week for the pre hike rates.

    I spoke to BOI last week and our break fee is now nil, compared to 2.5k in december, hopefully most people are seeing this when they switch!

    We've fixed for 7 years with Avant, would agree that it is unlikely that rates will get any better than where we are at right now, but in a few years time maybe there will be less of a requirement for Irish banks to hold capital and more competition in the market that will temper rate increases and keep them around current levels.... Maybe



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Amzie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb


    Finally made the switch from 2.9% fixed with EBS to 2.1 fixed with AIB for 5 years.

    €2000 cash back for switching and used ezfees to find solicitor which worked out at about €1300 so little profit there.

    Did the whole thing online and have to say I found it painfully slow having started application in January and only gotten it over the line now and we were pretty prompt at our end. Im very happy to be in a fixed at the lower rate but will need the 5 years to psyche myself up to go through the process again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Yea did the aib one earlier this year. Took 6 months from sept to March for simple switch. Could not believe the delays and repeating requests for same information.

    Post edited by Tileman on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    Did you need a valuation report and a BER cert?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Trimm Trabb



    Yes we did need both of those. House is a relatively new build so had the BER and paid had to get house valued through AIB which cost something like €150/€200.



  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭ccarr


    Reading comments I presume it's to late now to try and switch.

    With finance Ireland currently 1 year done into 3 year fixed with at 2.65%, contacted them about extending it with them but new rates will be 3.8%

    Is there anyway we could switch to other bank before interest rates going up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭Del007


    Call them every week and see what the breakage fee is.

    Kbc told me that there is a breakage fee to leave them, I asked them much it was. They got back to me with a quote of 0 euro



  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭knipper


    Just swapped rate with KBC. Was on 3 yr fixed. No charge to break and fix for 10yrs. Took two weeks for them to calculate the break fee and post it out , was zero. Then fixed via email that day. Very quick. 2.85% for 10yrs with KBC current account, no valuation required didn't have time to chase the avant rates. Pretty straightforward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭WLad


    Hi all, wondering if anyone can help.

    Currently 4 years into a 5 year 3% fixed with BOI and due about 3k next year in cash back. I requested a quote of new rates on their online tool but only the 2 year fixed was below 3% at 2.9%, the 10 was 3.3% I think.

    1. Will I lose the cashback next year if I swap?
    2. Does fixing at 3.3 for 10 years really make sense? I can't figure out what to do at all.

    Any advice no matter how speculative would help, thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭crazyhorse


    In a similar situation as yourself, 4 years into a 5 year fixed mortgage with BOI @3%. I have just refixed for 10 years at 3.3%. Not the best rate available by any means but it made sense in my case. I was also eager to get it sorted before expected rate rise next week. I was assured that cashback will still be paid next year when the 5 years is up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭ACAandCTA


    I was on the 5 year fixed at 3%, due about 3.2k cash back in 1.5 years time.

    By moving to Avant and getting the 1.95% (or maybe 2.25% depending) rate for 7 years fixed, I'll be saving about 200e pm, so with cashback and solicitor fees,I'll be net zero after two years and then 5 years of savings; 200e pm for 5 years is about 12k, so you can really save money if you get a good rate! The saving will be more if the alternative is a 3.3% rate.

    If you can get a better fixed rate now with a different bank then I'd go for that, once the long term savings will more than cover your cashback and solicitor fees.

    Don't get lured in by the cashback,it's great to get the 2% up front and have been happy with that,but with rates only going up at the moment, fixing now at a really good rate could more than cover your cashback



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 Mortgagehelp


    Hi. I'm just wondering does anyone know much about breaking fees? I know it can depend on various factors but I am early into a 2 year fixed term with BOI. I'm worried about the upcoming increase in interest rates and would like to move to a longer fixed term contract. I'd be interest in switching to Avant money like many others but can anyone estimate what type of breaking fee I'd be looking at? It's within the first few months of the mortgage term. Thanks.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This thread over at Askaboutmoney is brilliant. Fill out a few simple questions and one of the guys over there will be able to tell you your breakage fee (if any), and also your options.


    https://www.askaboutmoney.com/threads/mortgage-switching-in-ireland-%E2%80%93-break-fee-calculations-and-savings-estimates.226638/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,293 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    I'm afraid nobody on here can answer that, only BOI can. You need to ring them but be aware that the breakage fee can change daily as it's calculated based off interbank rates. So it could be zero if you ask BOI tomorrow but if you ask a week or month from now it may not be.



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