Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

PeterParker957 · 10-10-2017 6:30pm

anna080 wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I don't think I've said that exact phrase!

However whilst he is clearly a colossal pervert and deserves all that is coming to him there isn't a nice even divide here between predator and victim.

Some actresses definitely decided that their career would be helped by sleeping with him or watching him shower - ewww btw.

That just needs to be addressed

While there were for sure some who were complaisant- that does not mean everyone was as tolerant about what was going on. I don't know what you mean about there not being a nice even divide? Whether they were obliging or not he still abused them and abused his power, and they were victims of that. It's ironic that the ones who spoke out or sued have had stagnating careers while the ones who were complict have prospered.

You've a fair point there I have to agree

pitifulgod · 10-10-2017 6:45pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

David Icke said that for years was happening in the elite institutions in our societies and no one batted an eyelid. Said the same about Jimmy Saville and so on. And now look, it's all true. People probably don't realize just how dark this goes and what is really happening in the world of entertainment and in general.

The problem is Icke claims the world is controlled by lizard creatures, it's more that he accidentally hits on something true occasionally.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

If I'd blown my boss to get a leg up career wise and then cried rape 20 years later I'd be ashamed.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

The very idea. Disagreeing with a woman!!!

You're attacking women who were assaulted by a man who had far more legal power than they ever would. Unfortunately I can understand why they felt the need to hide it. Your attitude towards them is incredibly nasty.

Ipso · 10-10-2017 6:49pm

So which industry will be exposed next? Music (should be interesting given the veneration of Sex, Drugs Rock n Roll etc), modeling (this one is probably the bottom of the scum bucket I'd say.

ceadaoin. · 10-10-2017 6:58pm

Penn wrote: »

The New Yorker now has a huge article with more stories about Harvey, including full accusations of rape and sexual assault, as well as an audio recording of Harvey trying to get a model into the bathroom with him, which was part of an NYPD sting operation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-aggressive-overtures-to-sexual-assault-harvey-weinsteins-accusers-tell-their-stories?mbid=social_twitter

Thanks for posting that, very good article. Interestingly, written by Ronan Farrow, Woody Allen's son (although there is some doubt about his paternity). He has previously also written articles denouncing his father

cnocbui · 10-10-2017 7:25pm

I think Donna Karan, New York fashion designer, takes the cake for irony in this matter.

She said:

"To see it here in our own country is very difficult, but I also think how do we display ourselves? How do we present ourselves as women?

"What are we asking? Are we asking for it by presenting all the sensuality and all the sexuality?"

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41564931

So by designing clothes to presumably make women more attractive, she has been knowingly helping them to invite and incite sexual assault?

Donna Karan, a western Jewish fashion designer, actually thinks the Saudi's, Iranians, Afghans and other Moslem peoples that oppress women and dictate clothing for them such as the burka, have actually got it right? Men can't help themselves when faced with an attractive woman so you have to fully cover up the meat in order to keep the flies off?

What next Donna, paedophiles can hardly be blamed for their actions when small children do so much to make themselves seem cute and innocent?

mikeysmith · 10-10-2017 7:35pm

George clooney has spoken on the matter and also claims he knew nothing of the rumours

Self-serving spin imo

retro:electro · 10-10-2017 7:45pm

Jessica Chastain seems to be the one who has any balls. She said everyone knew what was going on and that there's a culture of abuse in Hollywood.

On second thoughts though it's not very ballsy to speak out only when it's financially safe for you to do so.

_Dara_ · 10-10-2017 7:57pm

tara73 wrote: »

sorry? no gender issue? what is this if not a gender issue? do you hear of any men speak up about being abused by this Weinstein or any other of this scum in power?
I havn't heard of. Please let us know which men that are!

Also the victim blaming here is quite unbearable. Saying it's the peoples own fault they get sexually harrassed because they would like to make a career in film and might have the wish to become famous?? And this gives this Weinstein and his friends the right to sexually harrass women?
What a crazy, sick, twisted, arrogant attitude.

I presume you work, yes? So how would you feel if you need to find a new job and at the interview the boss says you can go up his room, the bed is all fresh and ready for you both!! And then you say to yourself: oh, my fault I applied for this job..

I meant exploitation in Hollywood isn’t a gender issue. Read the accounts by Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman. Exploitation is rife in Hollywood and women aren’t the only victims. That was my point.

Victim-blaming? Give me strength. I wasn’t just talking about Harvey Weinstein, it was clearly a more general comment.

I’ve been defending women against Weinstein in this thread. Wind your neck in.

chopperbyrne · 10-10-2017 7:58pm

Someone said this is only happening to women, but wasn't Travolta caught asking some guy to suck him off a few years back.

His excuse was he had to do it in his career too.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 10-10-2017 8:29pm

Sabrina Future Burger wrote: »

I know a man who worked as a stunt man in Hollywood in the late 90s, dream job but he packed it in pretty quickly because of the things he saw going on, not even at parties, on set. And I don't mean groping, I don't mean creeps like Weinstein holding young actresses' careers hostage for sexual favours or just playing sick power games (Romola Garai's story is infuriating), I mean abuse of children by very famous and well regarded men, actively, materially facilitated by others and carried out blatantly. According to this guy it wasn't fear for his career that stopped him speaking out, it was fear for his safety. All he could do was leave and not be part of it.

There's one particular actor he described as evil.

Is it Kirk Douglas? I heard some nasty things about him...

mikeysmith · 10-10-2017 8:32pm

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Is it Kirk Douglas? I heard some nasty things about him...

A bit after his time

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 10-10-2017 8:35pm

mikeysmith wrote: »

A bit after his time

You can name someone here, and even go into a little bit of detail as long as you write "allegedly".

silverharp · 10-10-2017 8:46pm

allegedly wasnt there something about Colin Farrell having to do the casting couch?

Ulysses Gaze · 10-10-2017 8:59pm

silverharp wrote: »

allegedly wasnt there something about Colin Farrell having to do the casting couch?

Yes. Rumours of a casting couch tryst with an American actor.

ceadaoin. · 10-10-2017 9:02pm

mikeysmith wrote: »

George clooney has spoken on the matter and also claims he knew nothing of the rumours

Self-serving spin imo

Well gwyneth paltrow and Angelina Jolie have now come forward with their own Weinstein stories. Those are 2 exes of his good friend and production partner Brad Pitt, who apparently had words with Weinstein after paltrow confided in him. And we are supposed to believe he knew nothing? Hmm

According to rumours, Clooney has his own skeletons in the closet. Allegedly. Probably suits him to plead ignorance.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 10-10-2017 9:05pm

Now an audio recording has been released where Weinstein admits to sexually assaulting a woman.

Incredibly, despite this apparent slam dunk case, the Manhattan District Attorney’s office decided not to file charges:

https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/917765408412794880/video/1

Edit: It was the NYPD who fitted the victim with the secret microphone, and the DA still declined to press charges!

Just wait and see who the DA has political connections to...

Ipso · 10-10-2017 9:05pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I think Donna Karan, New York fashion designer, takes the cake for irony in this matter.

She said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41564931

So by designing clothes to presumably make women more attractive, she has been knowingly helping them to invite and incite sexual assault?

Donna Karan, a western Jewish fashion designer, actually thinks the Saudi's, Iranians, Afghans and other Moslem peoples that oppress women and dictate clothing for them such as the burka, have actually got it right? Men can't help themselves when faced with an attractive woman so you have to fully cover up the meat in order to keep the flies off?

What next Donna, paedophiles can hardly be blamed for their actions when small children do so much to make themselves seem cute and innocent?

She could also get an award for word salad.

SeanW · 10-10-2017 9:08pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Trumps has sexually harassed and abused plenty of women, and his own wife stands over him sexually assaulting her during their marriage too. Doesn't make Weinstein any less of a scumbag but let's not pretend the president of the US is any better.

No, there were just accusations, that ... just as a pure co-incidence :rolleyes: ... came out between the time of the Republican Primaries and the General Election. Just pure chance that these accusations came out at a particular juncture.

As for "Crooked Hillary" Clinton, Juanita Broaddrick and a few others had been accusing her intimidating them into silence for many years having been (allegedly) raped by Bill previously. These women have been consistent in their allegations going back decades. i.e. they didn't just start accusing Hillary of this between the Democratic Primaries and the General Election.

That too, I am sure, is mere co-incidence :rolleyes:

If you say that Donald Trump's alleged victims are telling the truth while Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones and others are liars, then that smacks of double standards. Precisely the kind of double standards that let Harvey Weinstein get away with it for so long.

Billy86 · 10-10-2017 9:57pm

SeanW wrote: »

No, there were just accusations, that ... just as a pure co-incidence :rolleyes: ... came out between the time of the Republican Primaries and the General Election. Just pure chance that these accusations came out at a particular juncture.

He has been up in court multiple times with different women going all the way back to the 1980s for raping his wife and was also known to invite himself into the women's dressing rooms back to the 1990s, maybe he was even in on the scheme himself!?

The guy is a scumbag just like Weinstein in this regard, don't expect him to want to clean this kind of stuff up.

SeanW · 10-10-2017 10:01pm

Billy86 wrote: »

He has been up in court multiple times with different women going all the way back to the 1980s for raping his wife and was also known to invite himself into the women's dressing rooms back to the 1990s, maybe he was even in on the scheme himself!?

The guy is a scumbag just like Weinstein in this regard, don't expect him to want to clean this kind of stuff up.

Interesting. So what's your take on the accusations by Juanita Broaddrick among others? Especially as they relate (allegedly) to a political cover-up.

Billy86 · 10-10-2017 10:11pm

SeanW wrote: »

Interesting. So what's your take on the accusations by Juanita Broaddrick among others? Especially as they relate (allegedly) to a political cover-up.

There could well be truth behind them too, but it doesn't do much towards Trump not being the man to expect to make efforts to clean up this mess.

5ive · 10-10-2017 10:28pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Yes. Rumours of a casting couch tryst with an American actor.

Couldn't believe this but apparently laughable common knowledge among journo circles..... explains the colossal jump from Ballyk lad to Hollywood superstar!

Ulysses Gaze · 10-10-2017 10:29pm

5ive wrote: »

Couldn't believe this but apparently laughable common knowledge among journo circles..... explains the colossal jump from Ballyk lad to Hollywood superstar!

May also explain the serious substance abuse issues later on in his career...

abbir · 10-10-2017 10:32pm

_Dara_ wrote: »

I meant exploitation in Hollywood isn’t a gender issue. Read the accounts by Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman. Exploitation is rife in Hollywood and women aren’t the only victims. That was my point.

Victim-blaming? Give me strength. I wasn’t just talking about Harvey Weinstein, it was clearly a more general comment.

I’ve been defending women against Weinstein in this thread. Wind your neck in.

Terry Crews has posted on twitter about an experience of his

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLzWUswV4AAoyNr.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLzWVyZV4AAnxlN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLzWWwBVQAA99b2.jpg

Harry Palmr · 10-10-2017 10:48pm

For as long as there have been couches and casting of roles this has been a practice. Hell the rot set in before women were allowed on stage I imagine. The only shock here is that anyone is shocked or even bothering to pretend to be shocked.

The hand-wringing articles that are being written have all the revelatory insight of declaring that the world is a sphere.

retro:electro · 10-10-2017 11:10pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

David Icke said that for years was happening in the elite institutions in our societies and no one batted an eyelid. Said the same about Jimmy Saville and so on. And now look, it's all true. People probably don't realize just how dark this goes and what is really happening in the world of entertainment and in general.

Aye. Judy Garland was Hollywood property from an early age. What occurred on the set of The Wizard of Oz would depress you to read. She was basically drugged up to her eyeballs for the duration of that movie. All in the name of money that she never saw.

10-10-2017 11:48pm

anna080 wrote: »

Aye. Judy Garland was Hollywood property from an early age. What occurred on the set of The Wizard of Oz would depress you to read. She was basically drugged up to her eyeballs for the duration of that movie.

Ah, no.

It's just all so sleazy and sad, isn't it? So depressing.

The Backwards Man · 11-10-2017 12:46am

Aye, it's fcuking bad enough now, imagine what it was like when the studios actually 'owned' the actors.

_Dara_ · 11-10-2017 1:18am

Candie wrote: »

Ah, no.

It's just all so sleazy and sad, isn't it? So depressing.

Did you not know about that? I thought it was common knowledge!

_Dara_ · 11-10-2017 1:20am

I’ve read stuff about Charlie Chaplin and casting couches that is not good. It’s in the mists of time though so who really knows?

Outlaw Pete · 11-10-2017 4:20am

Wife's left him............

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/917921275179397120

Red_Wake · 11-10-2017 6:25am

Surprised the Tom Humphries lads aren't in here feeling sorry for him.

_Dara_ · 11-10-2017 7:54am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Wife's left him............

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/917921275179397120

That’s so weird. As if she didn’t know already!

silverharp · 11-10-2017 8:02am

cant help the feeling of schadenfeude over sanctimonious pr1cks like Affleck

https://twitter.com/JustJared/status/917949351804018690

Wibbs · 11-10-2017 8:23am

_Dara_ wrote: »

That’s so weird. As if she didn’t know already!

Of course she knew D, but that bandwagon is rolling and she has to get on board before it rolls outa town. Just like all the other self promotion machines that are getting on board now after they saw which way the wind was blowing.

The original women who came out with this the McGowans and Judds are the ones with the spine, the rest, the Streeps, Kidmans, et al took their sweet time to be "appalled". And many of them were it seems only to happy to ignore apparently widespread rumours over decades to suck at his teat for their careers and pet political and charity funding. And you can be sure that a few of them are lying through their capped teeth about how much they know. Rose McGowan has publicly called out Ben Affleck for lying about his level of knowledge about Weinstein's behaviour.

Wonder where Quentin Tarantino is in all this? Remarkably silent. Ditto for others who made bank with oul Harvey.

tara73 · 11-10-2017 9:26am

_Dara_ wrote: »

I meant exploitation in Hollywood isn’t a gender issue. Read the accounts by Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman. Exploitation is rife in Hollywood and women aren’t the only victims. That was my point.

Victim-blaming? Give me strength. I wasn’t just talking about Harvey Weinstein, it was clearly a more general comment.

I’ve been defending women against Weinstein in this thread. Wind your neck in.

wind your neck in? no, I wouldn't wind my neck in.

_Dara_ wrote: »

I meant exploitation in Hollywood isn’t a gender issue. Read the accounts by Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman. Exploitation is rife in Hollywood and women aren’t the only victims. That was my point.

I knew you'll come up with the child abuse being what you meant with your 'don't see a gender issue here'. To use this as a proof there's no gender issue is just again, completely wrong. The child abuse in Hollywood is another, (even worse) scandal, not a validation there's no gender issue.

And what about my elementary question I ask, no answer from you, so I ask again: if this is not a gender issue, how you say, tell me about the men, the adult men, who were abused from people in power in Hollywood???

_Dara_ wrote: »

Victim-blaming? Give me strength. I wasn’t just talking about Harvey Weinstein, it was clearly a more general comment.

and what makes that for a difference whether you just talked about H.W. or in general? it still was victim blaming. here's what you wrote:

Some people want fame that bad. Most people shudder at the thought of fame, in my experience, but there is a large enough minority out there who actively want it and that all contributes towards it being an exploitative industry.

I saw you made, as you said, different comments and defending women. But that post of yours was just completely wrong and you need to be called out on it.

PeterParker957 · 11-10-2017 9:35am

tara73 wrote: »

_Dara_ wrote: »

I meant exploitation in Hollywood isn’t a gender issue. Read the accounts by Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman. Exploitation is rife in Hollywood and women aren’t the only victims. That was my point.

Victim-blaming? Give me strength. I wasn’t just talking about Harvey Weinstein, it was clearly a more general comment.

I’ve been defending women against Weinstein in this thread. Wind your neck in.

wind your neck in? no, I wouldn't wind my neck in.

_Dara_ wrote: »

I meant exploitation in Hollywood isn’t a gender issue. Read the accounts by Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman. Exploitation is rife in Hollywood and women aren’t the only victims. That was my point.

I knew you'll come up with the child abuse being what you meant with your 'don't see a gender issue here'. To use this as a proof there's no gender issue is just again, completely wrong. The child abuse in Hollywood is another, (even worse) scandal, not a validation there's no gender issue.

And what about my elementary question I ask, no answer from you, so I ask again: if this is not a gender issue, how you say, tell me about the men, the adult men, who were abused from people in power in Hollywood???

_Dara_ wrote: »

Victim-blaming? Give me strength. I wasn’t just talking about Harvey Weinstein, it was clearly a more general comment.

and what makes that for a difference whether you just talked about H.W. or in general? it still was victim blaming. here's what you wrote:

Some people want fame that bad. Most people shudder at the thought of fame, in my experience, but there is a large enough minority out there who actively want it and that all contributes towards it being an exploitative industry.

I saw you made, as you said, different comments and defending women. But that post of yours was just completely wrong and you need to be called out on it.

I think you spelled "opinion different from money incorrectly there. It came out as "wrong".

allym · 11-10-2017 9:56am

silverharp wrote: »

cant help the feeling of schadenfeude over sanctimonious pr1cks like Affleck

https://twitter.com/JustJared/status/917949351804018690

Seems it runs in the family....

valoren · 11-10-2017 9:57am

Ipso wrote: »

In Mario Puzo's novel The Godfather, he painted a pretty grim picture of Hollywood in a few short pieces. the Hollywood exec with the mother and daughter awaiting an "appointment", the Oscars after party.
Given the role of Johnny Fontane was supposed to be based on Frank Sinatra, I wonder if he drew inspiration from anywhere else.

One of the deleted scenes shows Tom Hagen leaving the Producer's mansion after failing to convince him to cast 'Frank Sinatra' in 'From Here to Eternity

'. Before he leaves he see's a young starlet on the stair case landing crying with torn clothes with her mother consoling her. It is implied to the audience that she had been raped earlier by Woltz.

Hagen reports this back to Corleone who says it makes Woltz, a pedophile in the novel, fair game so to speak.

Now that was a film made 45 years ago about the fictional events from circa 25 years earlier.

The abuse of victims by those with power, influence and protection has been around for a very long time. None of this should be surprising.

HandsomeBob · 11-10-2017 10:09am

anna080 wrote: »

Jessica Chastain seems to be the one who has any balls. She said everyone knew what was going on and that there's a culture of abuse in Hollywood.

On second thoughts though it's not very ballsy to speak out only when it's financially safe for you to do so.

Kate Winslet was the first to make a statement of somewhat decency, which was also acknowledged by Chastain on Instagram.

_Dara_ · 11-10-2017 10:18am

tara73 wrote: »

wind your neck in? no, I wouldn't wind my neck in.

I knew you'll come up with the child abuse being what you meant with your 'don't see a gender issue here'. To use this as a proof there's no gender issue is just again, completely wrong. The child abuse in Hollywood is another, (even worse) scandal, not a validation there's no gender issue.

And what about my elementary question I ask, no answer from you, so I ask again: if this is not a gender issue, how you say, tell me about the men, the adult men, who were abused from people in power in Hollywood???

and what makes that for a difference whether you just talked about H.W. or in general? it still was victim blaming. here's what you wrote:

Some people want fame that bad. Most people shudder at the thought of fame, in my experience, but there is a large enough minority out there who actively want it and that all contributes towards it being an exploitative industry.

I saw you made, as you said, different comments and defending women. But that post of yours was just completely wrong and you need to be called out on it.

You seriously need to calm down.

It’s true that this industry attracts exploitative people because people are so desperate to be a part of it. That’s not victim-blaming.

Spon Farmer · 11-10-2017 10:32am

silverharp wrote: »

allegedly wasnt there something about Colin Farrell having to do the casting couch?

Do you mean Farrell is supposed to have had sex with a Hollywood executive to get a role?

mikeysmith wrote: »

George clooney has spoken on the matter and also claims he knew nothing of the rumours

Self-serving spin imo

Not exactly correct. He had heard talk that a certain actress had had sex with Weinstein to get a role and says he believed it was just nasty gossip to belittle her. He says hadn't heard about the rest of it.

It is entirely possible to be in a business and not know everything that is going on with everyone. I don't know if he did or didn't but it is possible.

Are you saying he must have known? In what way are his comments "self-serving spin"?

brevity · 11-10-2017 10:34am

allym wrote: »

Seems it runs in the family....

Yea, there are some nasty stories about Casey Affleck floating about.

silverharp · 11-10-2017 10:36am

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Do you mean Farrell is supposed to have had sex with a Hollywood executive to get a role?

Ive seen it referenced to an alleged "casting couch" situation, someone above mentioned another actor so may not have been a producer, dunno in fairness

brevity · 11-10-2017 10:37am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCNvREKTnQc

brevity · 11-10-2017 10:41am

I dunno about the rest of ye but I'm in the weird position of hoping that an actor I like or admire won't be caught up in this and it's making me feel uneasy to say the least.

Would people be ok watching and liking movies with actors/directors/execs involved in this mess?

Spon Farmer · 11-10-2017 10:45am

What I don't understand in these types of situations are why people who can speak out about a problem don't until the story gets out.

A few of the actresses who say Weinstein behaved liked this are seem to me to be in position where they could have this to the public eye sooner.

Jolie and Paltrow are surely secure enough in their careers that they could spoken about this years ago. Why sit back and allow him to do it to other women? Even though Chastain is a relative newcomer she is in demand enough that she doesn't to rely on one movie studio.

Or was Weinstein simply that powerful that they felt it was a battle they couldn't win?

I can't pretend to imagine what it is like to be in a situation like these women have been because of Weinstein or what it is like to deal with a person like him but likewise I don't understand keeping silent.

Spon Farmer · 11-10-2017 10:48am

brevity wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCNvREKTnQc

I wonder if it was just a joke or did McFarlane know something?

Shurimgreat · 11-10-2017 10:49am

Asia Argento admitted to carrying on an affair with Weinstein for 5 years after the first time he assaulted her.

The mind boggles.

The casting couch is alive and well in Hollywood. It says a lot about the sleazy nature of the place that someone like Weinstein wasn't called out years or decades ago.

brevity · 11-10-2017 10:52am

Who knows really. I'd wager he had dirt on them.

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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