Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Anatidaephobia · 07-09-2019 5:00pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Paddy Butler training with Munster.

Where did you see this? Is he not still at Pau?

Cookiemunster · 07-09-2019 6:08pm

Anatidaephobia wrote: »

Where did you see this? Is he not still at Pau?

He was released along with Foley at the end of last season. There been no official announcement, but he's been seen in Munster training kit.

Kirk Van Houten · 07-09-2019 6:45pm

Anatidaephobia wrote: »

thomond2006 wrote: »

Paddy Butler training with Munster.

Where did you see this? Is he not still at Pau?

He was training with them in Killarney on Friday. Hes still looking for a new club.

Sabre0001 · 09-09-2019 11:08am

Jed Holloway signing confirmed: https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/09/09/munster-rugby-sign-jed-holloway-on-short-term-deal/

"Known for his work-rate and strong ball carrying abilities" - good to hear

The above also says, "In other squad news, former Munster players Paddy Butler (back row) and Peter McCabe (prop) are the latest to join the pre-season training group."

Lucas44 · 09-09-2019 11:55am

Sabre0001 wrote: »

Jed Holloway signing confirmed: https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/09/09/munster-rugby-sign-jed-holloway-on-short-term-deal/

"Known for his work-rate and strong ball carrying abilities" - good to hear

The above also says, "In other squad news, former Munster players Paddy Butler (back row) and Peter McCabe (prop) are the latest to join the pre-season training group."

Not sure about this signing was hoping this would be the break out year for Josser and Coombes

thomond2006 · 09-09-2019 12:25pm

Lucas44 wrote: »

Not sure about this signing was hoping this would be the break out year for Josser and Coombes

I think it's fair enough considering Munster are down back five forwards.

Lucas44 · 09-09-2019 2:36pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think it's fair enough considering Munster are down back five forwards.

Are we though ? Would of thought JOD, TOD, Botha, Coombes, cloete, j O’Sullivan, Oliver and Wycherley would of been enough cover

Shefwedfan · 09-09-2019 3:05pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think it's fair enough considering Munster are down back five forwards.

Munster are hardly playing the cream of Europe

Dragons - Home easy
Southern Kinds - Away easy
Ceetahs - Away easy
Osprey - Home Easy

Sorry update, the connacht match is a preseason. These match's should be a chance for the Munster second team and academy to get minutes.....even if full team available

It baffles me why they need these signing.....

Cookiemunster · 09-09-2019 3:07pm

Lucas44 wrote: »

Are we though ? Would of thought JOD, TOD, Botha, Coombes, cloete, j O’Sullivan, Oliver and Wycherley would of been enough cover

Well the management thought we needed an extra body and Nucifora and the IRFU agreed with them.

There's plenty of experienced cover for the back row, but it'd fairly light for the second row. It's risky relying on just Holland, O'Shea and Wycherley (of whom the latter two are still pretty green) for 5 games which includes a tour to SA.

jmn51927 · 09-09-2019 3:12pm

Will primarily be a 2nd row. Holland is approaching 35 and will be hopefully crucial off the bench in the latter stages of the campaign. With regard to Fineen and O’Connor, the way to develop them is not by flogging them with minutes, saying that both will get plenty now and when JK and TB go for 6n duty and Holloway is gone they’ll get even more. Ahern O’Connor and Kelly are all still u20 this year and that will be their main area of development. A sensible signing.

Caranica · 09-09-2019 4:51pm

We've only 6 days from Cheetahs to Ospreys and that involves pretty much 2 days traveling home if they go the same way as last time ie via Dubai. Get home late Monday, fly to Wales Thursday. Will see huge rotation for that fixture I would imagine.

thomond2006 · 09-09-2019 5:06pm

To use a phrase often used to discuss Schmidt's decisions, we don't see what happens in training. The management must have felt they needed a reinforcement and the IRFU, who aren't against telling provinces No, agreed.

It also pre-empts any possible injuries to the four RWC players.

We also don't know (yet) if other senior/academy players are injured.

aloooof · 10-09-2019 12:04pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It baffles me why they need these signing.....

Bit of deja vu here, but what positions do you think it would be acceptable for Munster to sign an NIQ?

Personally, I think the signing makes some sense and is a result of both Kleyn and Beirne making the RWC squad.

Add to that JOD, TOD and Oliver have had their injury issues in from the back-row too. We could see Wycherly covering 6 which he did a number of times last season.

Cookiemunster · 10-09-2019 12:18pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LindaOkaythen/status/1169861629338456065?s=19

No PJ in the traveling squad, so they can take Friday off now.
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/476896/london-irish-confirm-squad-for-munster-rugby-friendly.html

London Irish squad:
1. Harry Elrington / Will Goodrick-Clarke
2. Dave Porecki / Ross McMillan*
3. Lovejoy Chawatama / Patric Cilliers
4. Chunya Munga / Barney Maddison ©
5. Franco van der Merwe © / Sam Collingridge
6. George Nott / Ben Donnell
7. Conor Gilsenan / Blair Cowan
8. Matt Rogerson / Izaiha Moore-Aione
9. Rory Brand / Scott Steele
10. Stephen Myler / Jacob Atkins
11. / 14. Ollie Hassell-Collins / Ben Loader / Tom Fowlie
12. Terrence Hepetema / Matt Williams
13. Curtis Rona / Brendan Macken
15. Tom Parton / Will Partington

Cookiemunster · 10-09-2019 12:22pm

aloooof wrote: »

Bit of deja vu here, but what positions do you think it would be acceptable for Munster to sign an NIQ?

Personally, I think the signing makes some sense and is a result of both Kleyn and Beirne making the RWC squad.

Add to that JOD, TOD and Oliver have had their injury issues in from the back-row too. We could see Wycherly covering 6 which he did a number of times last season.

It needs to be remembered also that the A team are involved in the Celtic Cup until Oct 4th when the senior squad will be in SA. So most academy players won't be available to the senior squad until round 4 of the Pro14.

Eod100 · 10-09-2019 1:14pm

Good to see Cronin back in the mix. Hasn't featured since December 2018. https://mobile.twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1171386004709761024

Caranica · 10-09-2019 2:43pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

No PJ in the traveling squad, so they can take Friday off now.
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/476896/london-irish-confirm-squad-for-munster-rugby-friendly.html

London Irish squad:
1. Harry Elrington / Will Goodrick-Clarke
2. Dave Porecki / Ross McMillan*
3. Lovejoy Chawatama / Patric Cilliers
4. Chunya Munga / Barney Maddison ©
5. Franco van der Merwe © / Sam Collingridge
6. George Nott / Ben Donnell
7. Conor Gilsenan / Blair Cowan
8. Matt Rogerson / Izaiha Moore-Aione
9. Rory Brand / Scott Steele
10. Stephen Myler / Jacob Atkins
11. / 14. Ollie Hassell-Collins / Ben Loader / Tom Fowlie
12. Terrence Hepetema / Matt Williams
13. Curtis Rona / Brendan Macken
15. Tom Parton / Will Partington

Protest is going ahead. They're protesting his signing. They did similarly at Connacht last season

Cookiemunster · 10-09-2019 2:53pm

Caranica wrote: »

Protest is going ahead. They're protesting his signing. They did similarly at Connacht last season

Maybe they should head over to Reading then..........

Caranica · 10-09-2019 5:39pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Maybe they should head over to Reading then..........

Don't shoot the messenger. I was delivering the news that people attending the game need to know

Henry Ford III · 10-09-2019 5:46pm

Caranica wrote: »

Don't shoot the messenger. I was delivering the news that people attending the game need to know

or perhaps don't need to know?

Caranica · 10-09-2019 7:44pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

or perhaps don't need to know?

Potential delays at the stadium? Why would you not want to know?

Phileas Frog · 11-09-2019 2:37am

Caranica wrote: »

Potential delays at the stadium? Why would you not want to know?

Potential delays? Are you having a giraffe!? :pac:

Squidgy Black · 11-09-2019 8:51am

Considering the protests at Ravenhill at the first game post court case, when the social media storm was at full tilt, only gathered a crowd of around 50 people if even, I doubt there'll be any sort of delay or even noticeable presence of protestors.

jacothelad · 11-09-2019 10:46am

Caranica wrote: »

Potential delays at the stadium? Why would you not want to know?

You should take your agenda to another forum....one that caters for those who exist in a world entirely constructed of thoughtless and foolish hate. Like those two cretins who got sued for lying and defaming Jackson's father.

Dbu · 11-09-2019 1:06pm

New CEO on the way
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/munster-hire-ian-flanagan-for-ceo-role-950091.html

Eod100 · 12-09-2019 1:37pm

Team out. TB captains. 8 Academy players in mix. https://mobile.twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1172126721044295680

aloooof · 12-09-2019 1:40pm

Munster: Darren Sweetnam; Calvin Nash, Sammy Arnold, Dan Goggin, Liam Coombes; Tyler Bleyendaal (C), Neil Cronin; Jeremy Loughman, Kevin O’Byrne, Keynan Knox; Darren O’Shea, Fineen Wycherley; Jack O’Donoghue, John Hodnett, Gavin Coombes.

Can't remember Sweetnam playing FB too often before. Nice mix there tho.

Mr Tickle · 12-09-2019 1:44pm

aloooof wrote: »

Munster: Darren Sweetnam; Calvin Nash, Sammy Arnold, Dan Goggin, Liam Coombes; Tyler Bleyendaal (C), Neil Cronin; Jeremy Loughman, Kevin O’Byrne, Keynan Knox; Darren O’Shea, Fineen Wycherley; Jack O’Donoghue, John Hodnett, Gavin Coombes.

Can't remember Sweetnam playing FB too often before. Nice mix there tho.

I'm not sure that he has but i've always thought he could have the makings of a good one.

mogwai81 · 12-09-2019 2:06pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

I'm not sure that he has but i've always thought he could have the makings of a good one.

I seem to remember him playing fullback for the U20's.

yerrahbah · 12-09-2019 3:03pm

Alex McHenry replaces Sammy Arnold in the side initially announced. Hopefully that's not an injury to Sammy

Subs:
Diarmuid Barron, James Cronin, Peter McCabe, Stephen Archer, Thomas Ahern, Seán O’Connor, Arno Botha, Tommy O’Donnell, Jack O’Sullivan, Craig Casey, Nick McCarthy, JJ Hanrahan, Ben Healy, Shane Daly, Rory Scannell, Mike Haley.

Peter McCabe named despite not having a contract, no Paddy Butler though.

Would like to see Craig Casey get a bit of Pro14 gametime this year, probably got a senior contract quicker than most after Leinster approached him last season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPu1GnXWPw0

Jump_In_Jack · 12-09-2019 3:13pm

mogwai81 wrote: »

I seem to remember him playing fullback for the U20's.

He was a fullback in the academy, changed to wing when played senior as far as I can recall.

Reasonably good at it too by some accounts.
https://www.the42.ie/darren-sweetnam-rugby-munster-575736-Aug2012/?utm_source=thescore

arsebiscuits1 · 12-09-2019 3:36pm

Really keen to get a good look at Jack O'Sullivan.

Was an unbelievable talent at Under 20s. Himself and Doris were ball carrying machines.

Given they were on the same trajectory and Doris has bagged himself 16 senior caps and a contract in a very competitive back row I would have high hopes for O'Sullivan this year

thomond2006 · 13-09-2019 9:58am

A lot to be excited about in that lineup. Keynan Knox getting a run at tighthead, it's rare that someone gets a senior contract (though he's still in the academy for this season) without even appearing in the Pro14/Europe. John Hodnett fit and available in what should be a big few weeks for him with POM and Stander away. Calvin Nash who had a bit of a lost season in 2018/19 gets an opportunity.

I assume Munster are doing Paddy Butler a good turn by allowing him to join training and hopefully he gets a job somewhere. With Holloway arriving for the Pro14 I don't see a need to sign Butler.

Peter McCabe is getting a run as I assume Brian Scott and Ciaran Parker are both still unavailable.

thomond2006 · 13-09-2019 7:30pm

Paddy Butler is on the bench in the end!

ScrubsfanChris · 13-09-2019 7:55pm

Goggin powers his way over with the first try, great sideline conversion from Tyler too.

7-0

budhabob · 13-09-2019 8:26pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Paddy Butler is on the bench in the end!

Is he back ?! I knew he left Pau, but heard nothing about him and Munster.

Edit: just read thomonds post above.

ScrubsfanChris · 13-09-2019 8:57pm

Munster running away with it in the 2nd half.
31-5 with 15 minutes left.

shootermacg · 13-09-2019 9:15pm

45-5 at the end, nice run out.

shootermacg · 13-09-2019 9:29pm

Great dummy:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1172599505017024513

Lucas44 · 13-09-2019 9:51pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Great dummy:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1172599505017024513

Josser set for a breakout year

Caranica · 13-09-2019 11:11pm

Any update on how serious Coombes' injury is?

jmn51927 · 13-09-2019 11:15pm

Caranica wrote: »

Any update on how serious Coombes' injury is?

JVG said no concerns bar Nash who he hopes is ‘not too serious’

Sabre0001 · 16-09-2019 10:08am

Was anyone here at the game? How did our attack look? Could we see some plays or pullback passes at the very least? Nice to see another 7 tries on the board at least! Maybe we should play more games (especially big ones) in Cork - maybe the likes of Saracens, Racing, Leinster, etc. would send over weakened sides. Mind games!

Eod100 · 16-09-2019 12:13pm

Sabre0001 wrote: »

Was anyone here at the game? How did our attack look? Could we see some plays or pullback passes at the very least? Nice to see another 7 tries on the board at least! Maybe we should play more games (especially big ones) in Cork - maybe the likes of Saracens, Racing, Leinster, etc. would send over weakened sides. Mind games!

Missed it but there's highlights video here if that's any good! https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/09/16/highlights-gallery-reaction-munster-v-london-irish/

mike_cork · 16-09-2019 12:22pm

Sabre0001 wrote: »

Was anyone here at the game? How did our attack look? Could we see some plays or pullback passes at the very least? Nice to see another 7 tries on the board at least! Maybe we should play more games (especially big ones) in Cork - maybe the likes of Saracens, Racing, Leinster, etc. would send over weakened sides. Mind games!

Was at the game. Munster's attack and overall fitness looked very good for a first hit out.
The coombes flick up for his try as shown in the highlights was the standout moment of the evening for me.
Not shown in the highlights was Kevin O'Byrnes pass out the back door as he was being tackled- Very impressive

kingofthekong · 16-09-2019 3:16pm

Hope O'sullivan development gets priority over Jed Holloway, O'sulllivan is the best backrower Munster underage sides have produced since O'mahony

kingofthekong · 16-09-2019 3:24pm

Munsters future backrow should be built around

O'sullivan, Hodnett, Coombes, maybe Whitcherly as a 6 and in a few years Alex Kendellen will be in the mix

Cookiemunster · 16-09-2019 3:26pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

Hope O'sullivan development gets priority over Jed Holloway, O'sulllivan is the best backrower Munster underage sides have produced since O'mahony

Arno Botha and Jack O'Donaghue are more likely to block O'Sullivan this season than Holloway is. He's only here for 2 months and is more likely to play second row.

shootermacg · 16-09-2019 4:06pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Arno Botha and Jack O'Donaghue are more likely to block O'Sullivan this season than Holloway is. He's only here for 2 months and is more likely to play second row.

He's a bit slight though. He'll need to make some serious gains to play in the back row.

ScrubsfanChris · 16-09-2019 10:12pm

At a Q&A with ROG and Alan Quinlan hosted my Denis Fogarty
Christ, you wont be hearing any of these stories in a podcast any time soon:pac:

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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