The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2012

Red Crow · 12-12-2012 12:32am

robbiezero wrote: »

Has struggled since 2010. Might be challenged for a spot next year.

I think that's a bit unfair and he's been fairly inconsistant but he was very good in spells last year. I think Seamus Hennessey should be given a shot but I don't think we'll pick up two midfielders to drop McGrath tbh.

Red Crow · 12-12-2012 12:38am

What's everyones first XV for the upcoming season:

It'll be good to have Saint back again.

Cummins
Saint COM COB
BM PM Cahill
SMcG Ryan
Burke Bonner NMcG
Lar JOB Bourke

I think Noel McGrath will be given time in midfield in the league and hopefully Seamus Hennessey will get time too. That team looks decent to me although I don't like that FF line too much and obviously the midfield.

OAOB · 12-12-2012 2:05pm

Interesting article in the indo about O'Shea's initial panel http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/oshea-delight-as-corbett-and-cummins-stay-another-year-3324021.html

Hennessy only in the extended squad is a suprise but i reckon that doesn't mean too much at this point of the year

Patsy fyre · 12-12-2012 2:14pm

Would have liked to see more younger players getting a chance.

Mountainlad · 12-12-2012 3:23pm

Amazing that Denis Maher hasn't even made the extended panel. Thought it might be because Thurles could still be involved well into the league, but then I saw Corbett, Paudie Maher, Bourke and Corbett all listed. Is John Meagher the same fella who was on the Tipp minor football team when they won it last year?

Davin Stand · 12-12-2012 4:35pm

Yes one and the same John Meagher. Hopefully, he will be available to play for the Under 21 footballers as well.

premierstone · 12-12-2012 5:59pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Amazing that Denis Maher hasn't even made the extended panel. Thought it might be because Thurles could still be involved well into the league, but then I saw Corbett, Paudie Maher, Bourke and Corbett all listed. Is John Meagher the same fella who was on the Tipp minor football team when they won it last year?

Denis Maher is a bit of an enigma tbh, he is very very good on he's day but in all my years watching hurling I would say he is the most inconsistent hurler I ever seen, its probably because of he's bulk and size that when he is playing bad he stands out even more than most. Personally think he's hurling is too slow aswell and its probably why most of he's best performance have been in the Winter/Spring time. All that said when on form he is virtually unmarkable. Aidan McCormack is the thurles forward I would consider unlucky, but I'm sure its very much an open door.

premierstone · 12-12-2012 6:01pm

Patsy fyre wrote: »

Would have liked to see more younger players getting a chance.

Thomas Hamill was minor last year, John Meagher and Jason Forde are only 19and Bill Maher was asked in but has decided to take a year out, anymore than that at the one time would have been absolute madness.

12-12-2012 9:07pm

premierstone wrote: »

Thomas Hamill was minor last year, John Meagher and Jason Forde are only 19and Bill Maher was asked in but has decided to take a year out, anymore than that at the one time would have been absolute madness.

Your right tbf PS they are only young and their time will come. O'Shea obviously does rate them if he is giving them training programs but see's it more of a long term thing.

As for captaincy does anyone believe with it possibly being his last season and being the terrific servant he has been that Brendan Cummins should get the nod to be captain and that is regardless of whether he starts or not next year?

It would be wonderful if such a good man to have in a dressing room and good leader have this opportunity.

12-12-2012 9:10pm

premierstone wrote: »

Denis Maher is a bit of an enigma tbh, he is very very good on he's day but in all my years watching hurling I would say he is the most inconsistent hurler I ever seen, its probably because of he's bulk and size that when he is playing bad he stands out even more than most. Personally think he's hurling is too slow aswell and its probably why most of he's best performance have been in the Winter/Spring time. All that said when on form he is virtually unmarkable. Aidan McCormack is the thurles forward I would consider unlucky, but I'm sure its very much an open door.

Agree with you on that. Very much a jekyl and hyde type hurler. I seen him at number 6 play a few challenges last year and his performances blew me away. I thought to myself if he can bring that intensity into challenges then what will he bring into competitive games. Then he played no6 v Cork albeit in rough conditions and had a very subdued game.
Then he got 1-1 against Limerick in the forwards but i cant help feeling he could have hurled alot better in the defeat vs Clare in the Munster u21 final.

premierstone · 13-12-2012 12:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

As for captaincy does anyone believe with it possibly being his last season and being the terrific servant he has been that Brendan Cummins should get the nod to be captain and that is regardless of whether he starts or not next year?

It would be wonderful if such a good man to have in a dressing room and good leader have this opportunity.

Not the most liked man in the dressing room from all accounts. persoanlly i have a sneaking feeling he won't make the 15 this year, the mistake against KK last year was coming for along time, he droped another ball against Waterford and was blessed to get awat with it, and made another error against Cork. To be fair to Brendan thats probably as many mistakes as he has made in 15 years but worrying all the same. Darren Gleeson is an excellent keeper and a dark horse for the position is Darragh Egan who was on the panel in 2010 as a forward but has not reverted to the goals due to a knee injury he is a quailty keeper and had an outstanding year with he's club, played county minor in goals in he's first year and outfield he's second year.

Xenophile · 13-12-2012 8:55pm

I predict that Brendan Cummins will make it, be nominated as captain and end his career on a deservingly high note.

This post comes from South Tipperary the home of Tipperary football and say the time is long overdue when the rest of the county got behind our footballers who are putting a great effort on all levels.

ReacherCreature · 13-12-2012 11:53pm

persoanlly i have a sneaking feeling he won't make the 15 this year,

I've a suspicion he will.

he droped another ball against Waterford and was blessed to get awat with it,

Made four (arguable five) saves that day and one a sure-fire goal chance as well as stopping a free. He closed down and blocked Eoin Kelly. That day he and the defense were solid. Clean sheet.

and made another error against Cork.

Dead play wasn't it? Cork had a man in the box. Clean sheet.

To be fair to Brendan thats probably as many mistakes as he has made in 15 years but worrying all the same.

True regarding the mistakes but no real grounds for worry. Of the 81 championship goals Cummins conceded only one could be regarded as an error – on his debut against Waterford in 1995 Cummins let a tame shot through his legs. "Debut" is key.

the mistake against KK last year was coming for along time,

Of course. By the statistical law of averages, mistakes will happen. Like above, Cummins is almost-rock solid for most of his career. This season he proved good. He made some nice saves, including the Limerick game where he point blank saved Graeme Mulcahy but Mulcahy beat him on the second effort. In that game he was part of the defensive resurgence that supplied a lot of ball to the forwards and eventually fought back.

ReacherCreature · 14-12-2012 12:15am

Patsy fyre wrote: »

Would have liked to see more younger players getting a chance.

There are a few young enough players there. O' Neill is 22. Jason Forde served on minors. Thomas Hamill is young too having served at minor level. Then you've a large amount of "vets" who are still young: Paudie Maher, Michael Cahill, Noel McGrath and co. It's possible that O' Shea having served in with Sheedy and Ryan will adopt a mixed bag of experience and youth, just like 2010 and that was a factor in success. This squad looks a slight embodiment of that.

I'm really interested to see if Seamus Callanan steps up, what the midfield will be and if Eoin Kelly will bounce back. O' Shea has his hands full with the back six alone. There's a lot of talking points with this team.

Davin Stand · 14-12-2012 12:17am

Reacher Creature, I would love to know where you got the figure that of 81 goals that Brendan Cummins conceded (by your count, as I have no idea how many goals were conceded by Tipp in those games), only one could be regarded as an error. IMO it is just not possible that any goalkeeper could concede 81 goals and only be at fault for 1. A top class goalkeeper he is, but he is not Superman.

ReacherCreature · 14-12-2012 12:30am

Not my creation Davin Stand. Merely pulling it from Christy O' Connor's research. O' Connor is a pretty good writer and author so I'm sure it's somewhat credible.

I had a look at this a while back: http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/of-the-81-goals-cummins-has-conceded-only-1-could-be-considered-a-goalkeeper-error-2816138.html

I think O' Connor's "error" is stuff like falling into net, dropping balls into goals, parrying the ball behind the line and aspects of goalkeeping like that.

ReacherCreature · 14-12-2012 12:43am

Few articles I came across relating to the hurling.

Callanan tips Cummins to join ‘40’ club

By Paul Keane

Legendary Tipperary goalkeeper Brendan Cummins has been tipped to join hurling’s elite ‘40’ club.
The two time All-Ireland winning stopper, 37, has been included in new boss Eamon O’Shea’s panel for 2012.

It means that he’s all but certain to retain his jersey in next summer’s Championship when he is 38.

The Ballybacon-Grange clubman has always prided himself on his fitness and team-mate Seamus Callanan reckons he’ll be still be in peak shape for action at 40.

Crucially, Callanan believes Cummins, who already holds the record for hurling Championship appearances, will be keen to play on and reach the magical figure in a Tipp jersey.

"It’s a low point when Brendan is coming back and he’s still fitter than me at 24," smiled Callanan. "I can’t see that man stopping any time soon.

"The fitness, and the way he minds himself, he really is just someone you look up to and you see him coming back fitter than ever again. It just shows his great discipline. I’m sure there’s a few more years left in him yet."

Callanan has pleaded with GAA chiefs to leave hurling alone. Gaelic football looks set to undergo major change next year when the Football Review Committee’s 18 strong list of proposals are voted upon at Congress. But the 2010 All-Ireland medallist says they shouldn’t even dream of making any changes to the small ball game.

"I think it’s perfect the way it is," said Callanan. "If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it."

Meanwhile John Meagher of Loughmore Castleiney and John O’Dwyer of Killenaule are the two newcomers to the Tipperary squad announced yesterday.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/callanan-tips-cummins-to-join-40-club-216850.html

O'Shea ready to hand Hennessy Premier recall

By Cliona Foley

NEW Tipperary hurling manager Eamon O'Shea presented fit-again Seamus Hennessy with a masters degree and is expected to recall him to his new-look Premier squad.

O'Shea, who is head of economics at NUI Galway, where Hennessy is a post-graduate student, is expected to be without David Young and Shane Maher next year. They have reportedly withdrawn from inter-county hurling.

No high-profile retirements are expected and Jason Forde (Silvermines), John O'Dwyer (Killenaule), John Meagher (Loughmore-Castleiney) and minor star Thomas Hamill are all believed to be part of an extended pre-season panel.

Link for above: http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/oshea-ready-to-hand-hennessy-premier-recall-3302961.html

O’Shea: "Lar will find best form"
By Jackie Cahill
Wednesday, December 12, 2012

New Tipperary senior hurling manager Eamon O’Shea has predicted Lar Corbett will rediscover his best form in the blue and gold shirt in 2013.
O’Shea was coach when Tipp won the All-Ireland title in 2010 when the Thurles Sars hitman bagged a hat-trick in the final against Kilkenny.

Corbett, 31, stunned the hurling world earlier this year when he quit the Tipperary squad, before returning before the Munster SHC quarter-final against Limerick in May.

But Corbett finished the 2012 championship campaign scoreless – and became embroiled in that bizarre sideshow with team-mate Pa Bourke and Kilkenny pair Tommy Walsh and Jackie Tyrrell in the All-Ireland semi-final.

"He’s had a very good run with Thurles and I’m hoping when we do eventually see Lar, which hopefully is after they win an All-Ireland club final on March 17, that he’ll come back ready and fresh to hurl," O’Shea said.

"He’ll be treated the same as any other player – every player is the same in this set-up. I’m looking forward to working with him again."

O’Shea, speaking to journalists last evening at the Horse and Jockey, flanked by selector Michael Ryan and coach Paudie O’Neill, revealed an official 26-man panel for the 2013 season – and all of the Premier County’s long-serving stars are back on board.

O’Shea has been boosted by the return of established names such as goalkeeper Brendan Cummins, 2010 All-Ireland winning captain Eoin Kelly, full-back Paul Curran, forward John O’Brien and 2010 Hurler of the Year Corbett.

The squad includes two newcomers – John Meagher of Loughmore-Castleiney and Killenaule’s John O’Dwyer – who will be given the chance to impress during the Allianz Hurling League.

An extended panel of nine players has also been announced, featuring Clonoulty-Rossmore pair John O’Neill and John O’Keeffe, who were members of the full squad last season.

Jason Forde, who enjoyed a memorable 2012, is also on the extended list, along with O’Shea’s Kilruane MacDonagh’s clubmate Seamus Hennessy, a 2010 All-Ireland senior and U21 medallist who made a long overdue return from injury.

Forde, a former Tipperary minor captain, won an All-Ireland colleges medal with Nenagh CBS this year, made his U21 inter-county debut and recently inspired Silvermines to AIB Munster intermediate club glory.

Thomas Hamill, a member of Tipp’s 2012 All-Ireland minor winning team, has also been included in the extended list of players, who will look to break through to the main squad.

"When you’re on a management team, you’re all the time hoping you’ve got the best players available to you and certainly, with all of those players [experienced] available to us and competing for places, it’s good," said O’Shea. "All of the things that experienced players give us, we have. I’m very happy that all of those players are there, really happy."

Reflecting on Tipp’s 18-point defeat by the Cats, which represented the Premier County’s heaviest championship defeat since the late 1800s, O’Shea admitted that looking on in a watching brief was a sobering experience.

"It’s not nice, particularly in Tipperary, where hurling means quite a bit here," he explained. "It means more, sometimes, than life itself.

"Everyone’s affected when the team doesn’t perform the way we want it to perform. I understand that. It’s important therefore that the team understands that. It means so much to us, it’s deep set into us. Some call it tradition but it’s a bit more than tradition – it’s part of our life. And therefore, we’re bound to be hurt when we lose. I was no different."

And O’Shea acknowledged Tipp will start the new year in the chasing pack looking to make up ground on 2012 All-Ireland finalists Kilkenny and Galway. But he expressed huge belief in the ability of a talented group of players at his disposal and backed them to bounce back strongly from the scarring experience of last August.

"Some days you’ll get a result that is not an accurate reflection of the ability of the team but it’s an accurate reflection of the game that was played. Tipp were in that game [Kilkenny] until half-time, they were leading at half-time. The second half went a particularly different way and the team ended up getting beaten.

"But is that an accurate reflection of the team and the belief that we have in them? No. The reality at the moment is that we are behind two teams – the data tells us that we’re behind Kilkenny, and we’re behind Galway. We have to catch up."

Tipperary senior hurling panel 2013: B Cummins, D Gleeson, D Maher, P Stapleton, P Curran, M Cahill, J Meagher, T Stapleton, C O’Brien, C O’Mahony, Pádraic Maher, B Maher, J Woodlock, G Ryan, S McGrath, J Ryan, Patrick Maher, N McGrath, L Corbett, P Bourke, J O’Dwyer, E Kelly, S Callanan, S Bourke, J O’Brien, B O’Meara.

Nine-man extended panel: S Curran, J Forde, T Hamill, T Hammersley, M Heffernan, S Hennessy, J O’Keeffe, J O’Neill, A Ryan.

Link: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/oshea-lar-will-find-best-form-216771.html

Radio interview with O' Shea here http://www.newstalk.ie/eamon-o-shea-facing-tipp-challenge He's coming off really well here. Huge levels of positivity and plans for the future.

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premierstone · 14-12-2012 12:11pm

ReacherCreature wrote: »

True regarding the mistakes but no real grounds for worry. Of the 81 championship goals Cummins conceded only one could be regarded as an error – on his debut against Waterford in 1995 Cummins let a tame shot through his legs. "Debut" is key.

So you don't think that the goal Taggy scored last year was a mistake from Brendan?? The Cummins I know would have caught that shot in he's mouth if he so wished it was such a tame shot, father time waits for no man and it is only inevitable that at 38 the reflexes won't be as sharp as they once were.

hawkwing · 14-12-2012 3:09pm

premierstone wrote: »

So you don't think that the goal Taggy scored last year was a mistake from Brendan?? The Cummins I know would have caught that shot in he's mouth if he so wished it was such a tame shot, father time waits for no man and it is only inevitable that at 38 the reflexes won't be as sharp as they once were.

Also Larry O'Gorman hit one in the 01 semi that from right behind the shot was going straight for the middle of his chest but he got out of the way and we ended up almost getting caught and scraped a draw. The '96 Munster Replay goals were nothing to be proud of.In a backdoor match in Galway that we were cruising a ball fell in and we held on by a point luckily. The penalty was deflected in past the backman in the 09 Final,the 2nd was dodgy enough.The goal was left completely open in the 11 Final for the goal granted it was a great shot,but positioning was poor.At least 3 times in Cork over the years he was beaten at his near post by shots.Of course he has made saves but to say only one goal was a mistake is a poor joke since he began..

OAOB · 14-12-2012 3:23pm

If we look back at the number of shots he should have saved and didn't against the number he shouldn't have saved and did i'm pretty sure we'll all agree he's come out on top by quite a margin. He's an absolute legend and the best keeper i've seen play.
Whether he's the man for the no.1 jersey or not we'll see, i hope its an open competition and whoever gets it has earned it.

premierstone · 14-12-2012 3:42pm

OAOB wrote: »

If we look back at the number of shots he should have saved and didn't against the number he shouldn't have saved and did i'm pretty sure we'll all agree he's come out on top by quite a margin. He's an absolute legend and the best keeper i've seen play.
Whether he's the man for the no.1 jersey or not we'll see, i hope its an open competition and whoever gets it has earned it.

Quite true and the last thing I wanted to do or turn this into was a slagging match against Brendan, he has been an absolute magnificant servant to Tipperary GAA for over 20 years, it was just the assertion that he made one mistake in all that time was a complete untruth.

BTW good folk of Tipp just happened to be in paddy power at lunch putting me darts bets on and noticed they have a special of 14/1 for Tipp to win their respective divisions in the National leagues, we are in Div 4 of the Football which we are warm favs for and in the hurling I really think Eamon O'Shea will be out to lay down a marker and the players will be chomping at the bit after the thing that cant be mentioned.... in short get on!!

ReacherCreature · 14-12-2012 4:02pm

premierstone wrote: »

So you don't think that the goal Taggy scored last year was a mistake from Brendan?? The Cummins I know would have caught that shot in he's mouth if he so wished it was such a tame shot, father time waits for no man and it is only inevitable that at 38 the reflexes won't be as sharp as they once were.

O' Connor's stat is pre-2011 and probably 2010 - I want to dig more into it but there's little of it online. It was a mistake, he should have done better but I think Cummins severely underestimated it and as such it barely glanced off the hurl. My argument isn't that he's mistake free.

Cummins is only 37, not 38 and you're right the reflexes won't be as good but he had overall a good year. Seamus Callanan bets he'll get to 40 but that will be a difficult task.

premierstone wrote: »

BTW good folk of Tipp just happened to be in paddy power at lunch putting me darts bets on and noticed they have a special of 14/1 for Tipp to win their respective divisions in the National leagues, we are in Div 4 of the Football which we are warm favs for and in the hurling I really think Eamon O'Shea will be out to lay down a marker and the players will be chomping at the bit after the thing that cant be mentioned.... in short get on!!

Hell of a price! Might stick something on for an interest at least!

premierstone · 14-12-2012 4:25pm

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Cummins is only 37, not 38 and you're right the reflexes won't be as good but he had overall a good year. Seamus Callanan bets he'll get to 40 but that will be a difficult task.

He will be 38 by the time the AI series comes around and lets face it baring a complete cluster**** we should at the very least be aiming for the last four, and I mean the very least.

Callanan would be better placed worrying about he's own form or lack thereof, I have been raving about this lad for the last 4 years and lads from other counties are starting to think I'm mad and have been winding them up, Seamie at this stage should be one of the first names on the teamsheet however as it stands he is well down the pecking order, he just hasn't developed as one would have hoped. What does give me a small bit of hope is he's performance from the bench in 2010 and he has always referred to Eamon O'Shea in glowing terms so a happy Callinan should be good news for Tipp.

14-12-2012 11:42pm

premierstone wrote: »

He will be 38 by the time the AI series comes around and lets face it baring a complete cluster**** we should at the very least be aiming for the last four, and I mean the very least.

Callanan would be better placed worrying about he's own form or lack thereof, I have been raving about this lad for the last 4 years and lads from other counties are starting to think I'm mad and have been winding them up, Seamie at this stage should be one of the first names on the teamsheet however as it stands he is well down the pecking order, he just hasn't developed as one would have hoped. What does give me a small bit of hope is he's performance from the bench in 2010 and he has always referred to Eamon O'Shea in glowing terms so a happy Callinan should be good news for Tipp.

I agree with you 100% Callanan needs to up the ante work rate wise. The thing about O'Shea is he will receive instant feedback. He was dropped by management for the Offaly game in 2010 after poor performances against Wexford and Cork and that was a huge message to send to the panel.

There is an idea amongst Tipperary hurlers that they are entitled to All ireland medals but it doesn't work that way. We gave up our 'home of hurling title the last 45-50 years the very same way as the last Govt gave up Ireland's sovereignty.

As for Brendan being allegedly disliked, he may be disliked but he has their respectand thats the most important thing

19-12-2012 9:21pm

Tipp County Board announced a €25k increase in the deficit. Something badly needs to be done.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tipp-board-urged-to-slash-costs-as-250000-loss-hits-home-217453.html

Tipp board urged to slash costs as €250,000 loss hits home

By Jackie Cahill

Wednesday, December 19, 2012

Former Munster Council chairman Con Hogan has warned Tipperary GAA officials they must be "cold and ruthless" in their proposed cost-cutting measures in 2013, as one Premier County delegate warned of potential "financial ruin" at this week’s convention.

Tipperary’s 2012 financial statement revealed a massive €246,939 loss for the year and follows a deficit of almost €220,000 revealed a year previously.

In the last four years, Premier County top brass have revealed losses of over €650,000.

Hogan, a former GAA trustee and Tipperary’s representative on Croke Park’s Central Hearings Committee, expressed his disappointment with the financial statement.

Hogan said: "Last year, there was no comment whatsoever from convention on the accounts. This year, it was looking as if there wouldn’t be again, almost as if convention is happy to follow the pied piper of Hamelin over the financial hit. I know at first hand the efforts that the chairman, treasurer and secretary have made to try to reduce expenses but putting it bluntly, there will have to be more.

"There is no other way. We can’t walk in here again next year with a financial report like that. If we don’t do something about it, our creditors will. It’s as simple as that."

Hogan argued that projected income for next year must be in line with projected expenditure, and he called for a 10% reduction in expenditure overall.

He added: "Is there anyone in this room that can tell me that we can’t reduce by 10%? If we do, we’ll solve our deficit and that should be our objective, with a cold and if necessary, ruthless approach.

"I’m disappointed with sundry fundraising. I know the effort officers and others have made but it’s clear the reason why gate receipts (down by €26,170 in 2012) continue to decline. We have a bad product. There were 30 games up to the county final in this year’s championship — 15 were won by more than seven points, 12 by more than 10. I ask you, who is going to spend money going to games when they know the result before they go?"

Ballina delegate Michael Hayes, meanwhile, warned the county board is facing "financial ruin" if the trend continues. He said: "There’s a reason why income is falling — our product (county SHC) isn’t what it needs to be. But it can’t be done by five or six (officers) up there on their own. We need to tackle this on a broader basis and get clubs involved. We’re facing financial ruin if this continues."

Addressing delegates, county board chairman Sean Nugent conceded: "It’s not sustainable to continue along these lines — it has to be addressed. The most difficult problems that we have at county board level at the moment are reducing expenditure and raising finance. Serious attention will have to be given to that in the New Year."

tippspur · 19-12-2012 11:05pm

Bring down prices for the games and they might get a few more in through the turnstiles.

19-12-2012 11:37pm

tippspur wrote: »

Bring down prices for the games and they might get a few more in through the turnstiles.

True but its more a case of having to restructuring the county championship first and foremost. As Con Hogan correctly pointed out you had 15 of the 30 games running up to the county final with 7 point+ margins and 12 of them were won by 10+ points and that just wouldn't entice anyone to go out and watch games.

They thought they would increase revenue by extending the county championship to 32 teams but in actual fact its had quite the opposite effect.

I would also look into the situation with the divisional boards. Do we need them at such scale, if at all?

They should look into maybe playing games on the road also, like a few league fixtures in Clonmel or Nenagh in both codes.

For example to open Semple Stadium of a Saturday night for the footballers to play in front of 300 people (maybe less) you are opening it at a loss when you take the cost of running flood lights into consideration. Even the hurling has had low attendances on occasion.

From a marketing point of view the online club shop is pretty terrible also. Has it ever been updated? Club jerseys should be more readily available also

Now fact is we could talk all day about what could be done but the men in charge at the other end have to be willing to listen and judging by the current state of the books it would seem listening may not be their strong point.

20-12-2012 4:32am

Under 21 A Hurling Semis this Sunday with final following Sunday. Being a south man myself id like to see our neighbours Killenaule do the business

Semi Final
Clonoulty/Rossmore V Cumann Cill Naile CLG
Time: 12 00 PM (E.T. Available) , Venue: Leahy Park Cashel
Referee: Willie Clohessy

Semi Final
Kilruane Mac Donaghs V Thurles Sarsfields
Time: 1 30 PM (E.T. Available) , Venue: Templemore
Referee: John Mc Cormack

20-12-2012 4:49am

Looking at some of the fixtures which are taking place this time of year surely to god the under 21 hurling championship could take place sooner in the year.

Also get this folks, we had a 'C' u21 hurling championship :rolleyes: consisting of two teams from South Tipp Grangemockler/Ballyneale and Father Sheehys.

They went on to play 2 games against each other in a round robin group stage before contesting a south final and then a county final....You couldn't make this shít up...a complete clusterfúck.

To run an actual county championship with 2 teams is beyond bizarre.

hawkwing · 20-12-2012 3:02pm

Surely the days of having a league and then a championship which usually consists of 5-6 teams in a group and 4 going through also on a league basis or 2*4 team groups and 6 of them going through as is the case in most things nowadays has to stop.Lots of matches that mean nothing filling up the calendar with the finals always ending up being played off in the end of the year. If they want a league system in any championship then the top 2 is enough for a final from a group of 4-6,at least make the matches mean something if you want someone to go.

ReacherCreature · 20-12-2012 8:45pm

They went on to play 2 games against each other in a round robin group stage before contesting a south final and then a county final....You couldn't make this shít up...a complete clusterfúck.

They must have been best friends at the end of that one, having met each other so much! Who won that one?

20-12-2012 8:55pm

ReacherCreature wrote: »

They must have been best friends at the end of that one, having met each other so much! Who won that one?

They won one each in the round robin, then GM/BN took the South, but FRS 'reigned supreme' in the county final :rolleyes:

Surely to god both these teams could have played at B level or more teams from B could have dropped to form an all county C championship. I cant for the life of me fathom what lunatic sanctioned a C championship at both division and county level with just two teams.

EDIT: I must add the Davins were meant to be fielding a team at C level but pulled out for whatever reason probably common sense. The football counterpart had 4 teams all South Tipp

20-12-2012 9:07pm

hawkwing wrote: »

Surely the days of having a league and then a championship which usually consists of 5-6 teams in a group and 4 going through also on a league basis or 2*4 team groups and 6 of them going through as is the case in most things nowadays has to stop.Lots of matches that mean nothing filling up the calendar with the finals always ending up being played off in the end of the year. If they want a league system in any championship then the top 2 is enough for a final from a group of 4-6,at least make the matches mean something if you want someone to go.

I agree, the RR system is absolutely pointless and the county league which is further adding to fixture congestion isnt helping. The county and divisional boards should look at setting minimum and maximum participants in each competition at both divisional and county level. Too many cooks are spoiling the broth at this stage.

Yes delegation teams should be set up to focus on each geographical area or code but do we actually require a full board for each?? The only real counter argument against scrapping divisions seem to be that teams will have a lesser chance of winning something and fair enough maybe you could have south titles etc but they should run more separately to the county championships.

Xenophile · 21-12-2012 2:31pm

I would like to tribute to the late Pecker Dunne on this the Tipperary GAA website. Pecker who busked at all the big GAA matches in Thurles, just before the railway bridge on the Nenagh road was part of the great atmosphere on the big occasions. His wonderful presence and banjo playing was one of the reasons why many fans took that route to the stadium.

Thanks for the memories Pecker.

23-12-2012 11:55am

Found this article this morning. Young lad had a great game in u21B final last year scoring 1-5. Might be a coup for Borrisilleagh and could prove to be our 'Larry Tompkins'

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/hurling-blow-for-kildare-as-kenny-looks-set-to-make-tipp-transfer-3333166.html

Hurling blow for Kildare as Kenny looks set to make Tipp transfer

Conor Kenny has lodged a club transfer

Hurling Home

By Colm Keys

Friday December 21 2012

Kildare are poised to lose one of the county's most talented young hurlers to Tipperary.
Conor Kenny, match-winner when Kildare landed the Leinster U-21 'A' championship against Meath last July, is understood to be lodging a club transfer that will take him to Borris-Ileigh and enable him to play for Tipperary in 2013. Kenny's family has roots in Tipperary and the player is believed to be moving to the Premier County to live.
The indications are that he will follow up with an inter-county transfer that would allow him to play with Tipperary at some level in 2013. That will disappoint followers of hurling in Kildare and Celbridge as he is one of their brightest talents. His father Philip won an All-Ireland club medal with Borris-Ileigh in 1987 when he was full-forward on the team that beat Rathnure.
Kenny is still U-21 in 2013 and the feeling is that he would be well equipped to make Ken Hogan's Tipperary squad in that grade, if the opportunity arose.
Kenny hurls for Celbridge and has been a regular fixture on the Kildare senior team in recent years.
He was part of the Celbridge three-in-a-row team (2009-2011) in Kildare and is also one of the mainstays for Carlow IT, where he goes to college.
His imminent move, if he follows through as expected with an in inter-county transfer, will be a blow to hurling in an emerging county who feel they can't do without a player of his calibre if they are to thrive in the small-ball game.
Ironically, if Kenny does declare for Tipperary, it will be the reverse of some recent movements that have seen former Tipperary players John Enright and David Kennedy pitch in with the Lilywhites.
Kenny scored 1-5 as Kildare lost the All-Ireland U-21 'B' final to Roscommon last September and is renowned as a prolific forward. He helped Kildare to a Division 2B title last April.
- Colm Keys

Tipperary animal lover · 23-12-2012 3:59pm

Yeah been a big talking point on another gaa forum for the last few days, will have to wait and see what happens he could be a big assist for us in the u21's or maybe not!!!

tippspur · 23-12-2012 10:00pm

He could be a good addition for Tipp.

24-12-2012 4:59pm

Clonoulty v Sars in u21 final this Sunday. Sars beat Kilruane by 4 points in a tight affair where a 7 point swing the last ten minutes went in their favour while Clonoulty beat Killenaule 5-15 to 1-8.

Golden v Upperchurch in the B final. Upperchurch beat Kildangan by a point yesterday whereas Golden had beaten Skeheenarinky the weekend previous.

Happy xmas too all my contributors on this thread and a happy new year.

ReacherCreature · 24-12-2012 5:39pm

Echoing tipp_Gunner, happy Christmas all!

buggy beag · 28-12-2012 2:05pm

does anyone know if tipperary are playing sunday week in emly in a challenge/charity match?

deejer · 28-12-2012 2:12pm

buggy beag wrote: »

does anyone know if tipperary are playing sunday week in emly in a challenge/charity match?

Yep. Been meaning to post that here.

They are playing UCC on Sunday the 6th of Jan (not certain of the time though think its 2pm). Its a fundraiser for work they are doing on the primary school in the village.

Should be an interesting one if the day stays fine. Decent stand in Emly but field wont be the greatest if we get any more rain.

buggy beag · 28-12-2012 6:03pm

nice one lad cant wait first game of da season luvly jubbly

wadacrack · 28-12-2012 6:06pm

Are Tipp seniors back training. Will Lar Corbett be available next yaer . Anyone in the know

28-12-2012 6:13pm

wadacrack wrote: »

Are Tipp seniors back training. Will Lar Corbett be available next yaer . Anyone in the know

AFAIK Lar is on the provisional 26 man panel along with Cummins, Eoin, Curran & John O'Brien. Bubbles and John Meagher also amongst the 26

29-12-2012 4:50am

Here is the panel

New Tipperary manager Eamon O’Shea has announced his squad for the 2013 Allianz Hurling League campaign.

Any remaining doubts over the future of Tipp’s veteran stars such as Eoin Kelly, Lar Corbett and Brendan Cummins have been ended, with the trio, who were all part of the All-Ireland winning team back in 2001, included in the 26-man panel.

“Brendan Cummins is a role model, so is Eoin Kelly, players like that. (They are) really important players for Tipperary and I am really glad to have them and hope they are able to make some sort of contribution," O'Shea told GAA.ie at a press conference in Horse and Jockey last night.

The squad features a host of familiar faces, while O’Shea has added some new blood to the set-up with the selection of Loughmore Castleiney’s John Meagher and John O’Dwyer from Killenaule.

In addition, O’Shea has named nine extra players who will form an extended panel.

Last Men Standing
Tipp's 2001 All-Ireland Winners

John O'Brien
Lar Corbett
Brendan Cummins
Eoin Kelly

John O’Neill and John O’Keeffe, who were on the full squad last year, have been named in the extended panel, while former underage stars such as Jason Forde and his Kilruane MacDonaghs team-mate Séamus Hennessy have also been given the opportunity to impress by being named in the 35.

“The panel will be open and will always be open and that’s why when the club championships start, everybody will have a chance to play for Tipperary," O'Shea continued.

"We will be making sure that those who want to play, and know what it takes to play for Tipperary, get to play.”

Tipperary Panel 2013: B Cummins, D Gleeson, D Maher, P Stapleton, P Curran, M Cahill, J Meagher, T Stapleton, C O’Brien, C O’Mahony, Pádraic Maher, B Maher, J Woodlock, G Ryan, S McGrath, J Ryan, Patrick Maher, N McGrath, L Corbett, P Bourke, J O’Dwyer, E Kelly, S Callanan, S Bourke, J O’Brien, B O’Meara.

Extended Panel: S Curran, J Forde, T Hamill, T Hammersley, M Heffernan, S Hennessy, J O’Keeffe, J O’Neill, A Ryan.

looder · 29-12-2012 6:28pm

PremierView is in meltdown over there. . .

ohyesthefinest · 29-12-2012 7:35pm

What became of Gerry Kennedy lads? Is he still sub GK? He was a right good hurley that year Babs threw him in at the deep end but I havent heard of him since. Is he still involved?

daniels.ducks · 29-12-2012 8:02pm

ohyesthefinest wrote: »

What became of Gerry Kennedy lads? Is he still sub GK? He was a right good hurley that year Babs threw him in at the deep end but I havent heard of him since. Is he still involved?

Last I saw of him he was playing corner forward for the club

29-12-2012 8:35pm

daniels.ducks wrote: »

Last I saw of him he was playing corner forward for the club

He returned to goals last year for Killenaule due to Matt O'Donnells absence. Gerry had a super puck out but im not quite sure he would have become the custodian in the Cummins or Donal Og mould. Was a between 2 stools player

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