“Ready-to-Go” site for 43 houses in Carrickmines (Blackberry Hill)

emmabrighton · 07-04-2014 5:10pm #1

A site was sold last summer on the Glenamuck Road, Carrickmines beside the new Knockree New Gen homes development.

Passing by yesterday I see that the site is currently being cleared so construction will soon be underway, I hope!!!

http://photos.myhome.ie/media/1/6/9/2565961/8c9389abc8.pdf

Anyone know who the developer is.

Would love to find out a bit more about the development.

i.e. how much will the houses be going for and when will they be ready?

ted1 · 08-04-2014 10:28am

i presume its this one:

http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D08A/0197/C2&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1262357%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=1401976%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=rgndat:desc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1262357%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

these are the architect http://www.ndba.ie/

Theboinkmaster · 09-04-2014 11:44am

I'd be interested in this also, seems like alot of land around there and likely they'll build houses around there. decent location i think, hopefully they'll build proper houses and not sh!tbox apartments (ones around the corner the roof blew off a few years ago).

emmabrighton · 09-04-2014 12:14pm

Based on the above planning application, they will be houses. Knockree were advertised at 500k ish but you can see on myhome.ie that some sold for substantially less. I hope the developer will be reasonable and not be looking for 600k for a 4 bed semi.

4 bed semi in Cabinteely Park went sale agreed at 475K last week. It didn't look like the house had been decorated since it was built in the 80s. So I wouldn't be too hopeful that these houses well be all that affordable.

ted1 · 09-04-2014 12:18pm

if they are new builds the property price register doesn't show the VAT.

so if looking at prices for new builds ensure to VAT

Theboinkmaster · 09-04-2014 1:29pm

emmabrighton wrote: »

Based on the above planning application, they will be houses. Knockree were advertised at 500k ish but you can see on myhome.ie that some sold for substantially less. I hope the developer will be reasonable and not be looking for 600k for a 4 bed semi.

4 bed semi in Cabinteely Park went sale agreed at 475K last week. It didn't look like the house had been decorated since it was built in the 80s. So I wouldn't be too hopeful that these houses well be all that affordable.

i suspect they will all be €500k+ at least

emmabrighton · 09-04-2014 2:30pm

I read somewhere that there are more apartments in the pipeline for the Ballyogan road just round the corner.

Theboinkmaster · 09-04-2014 4:15pm

emmabrighton wrote: »

I read somewhere that there are more apartments in the pipeline for the Ballyogan road just round the corner.

The last thing that area needs is apartments, with fields all around them.

emmabrighton · 15-04-2014 11:59am

New sign up there yesterday. The Blackberry Hill development in Carrickmines to be launched in Early September 2014. Interest can be placed with Kelly Walsh. Same developers as Knockree. Knockree were on the market at 500k last year so methinks it will be more for Blackberry Hill.

Anka · 20-07-2014 10:24pm

Any update on Blackberry Hill lately?

emmabrighton · 23-07-2014 11:51am

I heard that they had to reapply for planning back in April, so a bit of a delay

morrga · 11-08-2015 10:41pm

Hi, anyone any idea on what's going on with this development? Seems a long time in the making with nothing but silence to complement the delays.

morrga · 06-03-2016 8:45pm

This develomoment is launching next Saturday starting at €650,000 for mid terraced house.

SarahMollie · 07-03-2016 1:13pm

morrga wrote: »

This develomoment is launching next Saturday starting at €650,000 for mid terraced house.

Yikes! Do you know the size and energy rating for that money?

morrga · 07-03-2016 1:56pm

SarahMollie wrote: »

Yikes! Do you know the size and energy rating for that money?

223 square metres and A3 energy rating.

Theboinkmaster · 07-03-2016 3:07pm

morrga wrote: »

223 square metres and A3 energy rating.

price seems reasonable imo

SarahMollie · 07-03-2016 3:10pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

price seems reasonable imo

Agree they're very large and economical energy wise. I personally think its a little pricey for the location if anything, but thats probably just because its not where I personally would like to live (bit too far out for my tastes).

Actually I've just checked the ad on Myhome.ie and the houses at €650k are 208m squared, and the ones at 223m squared are starting at €695.

air · 07-03-2016 3:57pm

€3000 a square metre for a mid terrace house less than 100m from the M50, 16km from the city centre & nearly 3km from the nearest grocery shop.
It would cost €3000 a month over 20 years assuming a €130k deposit.

Michael D Not Higgins · 07-03-2016 4:16pm

air wrote: »

€3000 a square metre for a mid terrace house less than 100m from the M50, 16km from the city centre & nearly 3km from the nearest grocery shop.
It would cost €3000 a month over 20 years assuming a €130k deposit.

Doable with 150k household income to qualify for that mortgage (something like top 5-10% of households in Ireland).

air · 07-03-2016 4:31pm

Doable for sure, but in fairness if you're in the top 5%-10% of incomes in the country I'd think you might have greater aspirations than a mid terrace beside a motorway 16km from the city.

SarahMollie · 07-03-2016 4:34pm

air wrote: »

Doable for sure, but in fariness if you're in the top 5%-10% of incomes in the country I'd think you might have greater aspirations than a mid terrace beside a motorway 16km from the city.

Exactly - for that money I'd want either a detached house or to be much closer to the city.

Michael D Not Higgins · 07-03-2016 4:37pm

air wrote: »

Doable for sure, but in fariness if you're in the top 5%-10% of incomes in the country I'd think you might have greater aspirations than a mid terrace beside a motorway 16km from the city.

Which is, in a roundabout way, my point. If they don't appeal to those that can afford them, then they're priced too highly or they shouldn't have even been built.

Theboinkmaster · 07-03-2016 4:57pm

SarahMollie wrote: »

Agree they're very large and economical energy wise. I personally think its a little pricey for the location if anything, but thats probably just because its not where I personally would like to live (bit too far out for my tastes).

Actually I've just checked the ad on Myhome.ie and the houses at €650k are 208m squared, and the ones at 223m squared are starting at €695.

Yeah maybe you're right, only comparable might be College Square - it's on the edge of Terenure so Templeogue really but at least it's only about 6km from city centre. They're 1,900-2,000 square feet and about €690k.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/college-square-terenure-dublin-6w/3210137

So looking at that, out in Carrickmines it does seem a bit pricey.

SarahMollie · 07-03-2016 5:13pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Yeah maybe you're right, only comparable might be College Square - it's on the edge of Terenure so Templeogue really but at least it's only about 6km from city centre. They're 1,900-2,000 square feet and about €690k.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/college-square-terenure-dublin-6w/3210137

So looking at that, out in Carrickmines it does seem a bit pricey.

They're particularly interesting as they've been coming onto the market in phases over the past few years so there should be some real data on the PPR of the prices achieved.

I'd take the slightly smaller size for only being adjoining on one side and being sooo much closer to town.

I've a 3 bed duplex myself and would love to trade up to something like that over the next few years - only watching the market out of interest at the moment. Would suit me down to the ground for prices to stay steady

Cuddlesworth · 07-03-2016 8:53pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Yeah maybe you're right, only comparable might be College Square - it's on the edge of Terenure so Templeogue really but at least it's only about 6km from city centre. They're 1,900-2,000 square feet and about €690k.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/college-square-terenure-dublin-6w/3210137

So looking at that, out in Carrickmines it does seem a bit pricey.

I was going to rag on the development a little but the more I look at it the more I realize I only dislike it for 3 reasons. No nearby parks, too close to the M50 for comfort and semi-d. The Semi-D thing really annoys me, these are premium houses. Why semi-d? Now they are competing against detached houses in better areas.

Shedite27 · 07-03-2016 9:19pm

Here's the link..
Blackberry Hill

<<Sorry, didn't see earlier post>>

ted1 · 07-03-2016 9:29pm

air wrote: »

€3000 a square metre for a mid terrace house less than 100m from the M50, 16km from the city centre & nearly 3km from the nearest grocery shop.
It would cost €3000 a month over 20 years assuming a €130k deposit.

Close to mountains and sea, Luas is very close. Cherrywood will be ready in a few years so there's 3 new parks, more schools, shopping centre etc. There are plans to upgrade the Luas to a metro, believe it or not plenty of people have no interest in going near the city and the suburbs suit them.

desertcircus · 07-03-2016 9:37pm

ted1 wrote: »

Close to mountains and sea, Luas is very close. Cherrywood will be ready in a few years so there's 3 new parks, more schools, shopping centre etc. There are plans to upgrade the Luas to a metro, believe it or not plenty of people have no interest in going near the city and the suburbs suit them.

It's not about suburbs versus city; it's about the cost of the suburbs when measured against the amenities available. At the moment, the defining feature of these 650k houses is that they're in an absolutely terrible location. They're six kilometres' driving to get to the sea, seven or eight kilometres to the beginnings of the Wicklow mountains, and the Luas is a kilometre away along roads which really aren't designed for walkers. Buying there more or less guarantees that you're going to be driving pretty much everywhere for the next three decades of your life. Going by the architectural drawings, the gardens are going to be quite small, and the location means you're going to be driving your kids most places as well.

I accept that I may be in a minority on this, but I really don't find them appealing.

air · 07-03-2016 10:09pm

ted1 wrote: »

Close to mountains and sea, Luas is very close. Cherrywood will be ready in a few years so there's 3 new parks, more schools, shopping centre etc. There are plans to upgrade the Luas to a metro, believe it or not plenty of people have no interest in going near the city and the suburbs suit them.

It's about 15mins walk to the Ballyogan Wood Luas stop & the walk includes crossing 4 lanes of traffic with no lights or pedestrian crossing.
The luas has about half the frequency beyond Sandyford & is very slow beyond SF. Minimum 1hr to Stephens green via luas excluding waiting time.
Nearest pint of milk or beer 3km away at Leopardstown Valley.
It's a wholly car dependent development.

SarahMollie · 08-03-2016 10:28am

desertcircus wrote: »

It's not about suburbs versus city; it's about the cost of the suburbs when measured against the amenities available. At the moment, the defining feature of these 650k houses is that they're in an absolutely terrible location. They're six kilometres' driving to get to the sea, seven or eight kilometres to the beginnings of the Wicklow mountains, and the Luas is a kilometre away along roads which really aren't designed for walkers. Buying there more or less guarantees that you're going to be driving pretty much everywhere for the next three decades of your life. Going by the architectural drawings, the gardens are going to be quite small, and the location means you're going to be driving your kids most places as well.

I accept that I may be in a minority on this, but I really don't find them appealing.

Agree with this. I wouldnt describe it as being near the sea by any stretch, its on the western edge of south dublin.

The Luas isnt really particularly near when you consider the rather trecherous walk to get it it, and even then you've a long enough journey into the city.

I bought a smaller place in Stillorgan, and being on the origional stretch of Luas line was a huge selling point for me. It comes about every 6 minutes and I know I'll be in Stephens green in 25 mins or less. Thats huge.

In my view you pay a premium to buy near good amenities and services. this looks like paying a premium before those facilities even exist. This shouldn't command a premium price.

morrga · 13-03-2016 12:21am

Anyone attend the launch today?

Bruce Lin · 04-04-2016 3:00pm

the house condition is ok, just too expensive to buy. and the garden is too small for €650K house.

morrga · 04-04-2016 11:33pm

Bruce Lin wrote: »

the house condition is ok, just too expensive to buy. and the garden is too small for €650K house.

Was there much interest when you were there?

Bruce Lin · 05-04-2016 2:39pm

morrga wrote: »

Was there much interest when you were there?

Not really too many people were there. i only saw two other families were there. Maybe the price is too high to look.

Idbatterim · 05-04-2016 4:06pm

650k for that, in that location, LOL! form an orderly que now folks, before they are all gone :rolleyes:

Cuddlesworth · 05-04-2016 4:53pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

650k for that, in that location, LOL! form an orderly que now folks, before they are all gone :rolleyes:

I'd say some people will buy them. They are big houses. Close to two large employment centers.

air · 05-04-2016 5:07pm

No reason they wouldn't sell, just that they don't seem very attractive at the current price point.

morrga · 05-04-2016 11:13pm

air wrote: »

No reason they wouldn't sell, just that they don't seem very attractive at the current price point.

No doubt some will buy. The main indicator will be if there are 43 buyers out there for that location at that price. Supply and demand will never be so relevant here. And if they don't sell for 650 with some having bought at that price what then!

Bruce Lin · 06-04-2016 10:08am

morrga wrote: »

No doubt some will buy. The main indicator will be if there are 43 buyers out there for that location at that price. Supply and demand will never be so relevant here. And if they don't sell for 650 with some having bought at that price what then!

At that day I know they sold one €650K to one family there. Not sure all the rest and the agent said all the houses will be ready in Jun 16.

morrga · 13-06-2016 11:11pm

Anyone heard how sales have gone for this development?

PVTHCK · 22-08-2016 4:21pm

Anyone out there have an update on sales of these houses? They look well built and a nice sized small development.

morrga · 22-08-2016 10:18pm

PVTHCK wrote: »

Anyone out there have an update on sales of these houses? They look well built and a nice sized small development.

Are you looking to buy? According to Daft and My Home there are still 43 units available. Very little info available other than EA saying interest has been good.

PVTHCK · 22-08-2016 11:09pm

I'm interested as they are good houses but concerned why there are still 43 units available when they have been on the market a while. Also, no showhouse or marketing.

Michael D Not Higgins · 23-08-2016 7:34am

PVTHCK wrote: »

I'm interested as they are good houses but concerned why there are still 43 units available when they have been on the market a while. Also, no showhouse or marketing.

www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/blackberry-hill-in-carrickmines-will-launch-in-september-34833686.html

Apparently it'll launch in September but they've already sold 10.

SarahMollie · 23-08-2016 10:09am

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/blackberry-hill-in-carrickmines-will-launch-in-september-34833686.html

Apparently it'll launch in September but they've already sold 10.

Does anyone know if they're getting the asking price?

morrga · 23-08-2016 8:00pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/blackberry-hill-in-carrickmines-will-launch-in-september-34833686.html

Apparently it'll launch in September but they've already sold 10.

That article in the paper is akin to an informal advertising channel. The launch was April so to call out for another launch is an admission that things are not going according to plan. Houses just up the road for that money would give scope for a big garden and private driveway.

Theboinkmaster · 24-08-2016 11:25am

SarahMollie wrote: »

Does anyone know if they're getting the asking price?

Not a chance

PVTHCK · 29-08-2016 10:23am

Went up to Blackberry Hill and had a chat with the Builder last week. The houses are gorgeous, well designed, spacious and well built. The estate is quiet and not too large. We’re going to go with it. Any other buyers PM me. And yes, houses are getting asking price which I expected given their size and spec.

Cuddlesworth · 29-08-2016 10:36am

PVTHCK wrote: »

Went up to Blackberry Hill and had a chat with the Builder last week. The houses are gorgeous, well designed, spacious and well built. The estate is quiet and not too large. We’re going to go with it. Any other buyers PM me. And yes, houses are getting asking price which I expected given their size and spec.

Just curious, why would you choose these houses over something like the below?

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/6-shrewsbury-lawn-cabinteely-dublin-18/3530394

PVTHCK · 29-08-2016 10:49am

That’s also a lovely house, but for us personally, we wanted somewhere new as the building regs. are so high now, you’re guaranteed a good build. We wanted the lower heating bills. And at this price, I want to walk into a house where the kitchen, bathrooms, windows etc. are done and to a high spec. At this time, we didn’t want a house that needed any work. The garden is lovely in that house, and that was something we had to compromise on with a new build for sure. Also, with a new build you buy at the price advertised. Having looked for about 18 months now and having lots of friends and family in the same boat, we didn’t want to go through the bidding, gazumping, raising bids, pulling out, structural engineers etc. that come with second hand houses. Buying a house is stressful enough, and we just didn’t have the energy to go through all that.

neel2150 · 06-09-2016 11:24pm

Hi, does anyone know why they removed the ads from Daft and Myhome?

“Ready-to-Go” site for 43 houses in Carrickmines (Blackberry Hill)

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