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Advice on a second hand build

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  • 10-12-2018 5:21pm
    #1
    outofmydepth
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭


    First timer here, wondering if I could get some advice on the viability of buying a second hand build vs building my own.

    These are the specs of the second hand build (€465);

    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170N-WIFI (with built-in dual-band Wi-Fi (802.11b/g/n/ac support) and Bluetooth 4.2
    CPU: Intel Core i5-6500
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i
    GPU: Gigabyte 1050Ti with 4GB VRAM
    Memory: 8GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4 2400MHz
    Primary Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB SATA SSD
    Other Storage: WD 1TB 7200rpm HDD
    Case: Thermaltake Core V1
    Power Supply: Rosewill Glacier 500M (semi-modular)

    If I were to build my own it would be something similar to this (budget around 500)

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£78.97 @ Amazon UK)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AX370M-DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£51.94 @ CCL Computers)
    Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£56.39 @ Amazon UK)
    Storage: Mushkin - Source 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£34.32 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 570 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card (£158.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: RIOTORO - CR488 ATX Mid Tower Case (£32.28 @ Amazon UK)
    Power Supply: XFX - XT 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£35.93 @ CCL Computers)
    Total: £448.82


    I would much prefer the convenience and time effectiveness of buying second hand however I am conscious that by doing so I might be shooting myself in the foot. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


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    #2
    K.O.Kiki
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    RX 570 is 50-60% faster than 1050 Ti

    CPUs are roughly equal in that neither should bottleneck their respective GPUs


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    outofmydepth
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭outofmydepth


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    RX 570 is 50-60% faster than 1050 Ti

    CPUs are roughly equal in that neither should bottleneck their respective GPUs

    Cheers for the reply, would that be a tangible 50% as in would you see noticeably higher frames and genuinely 50% better performance if you get what I mean?


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    tuxy
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    outofmydepth
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    Think I'm going to go with this;

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£72.00 @ Amazon UK)
    Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£57.59 @ Amazon UK)
    Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£54.70 @ CCL Computers)
    Storage: Mushkin - Source 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£34.32 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£169.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: RIOTORO - CR488 ATX Mid Tower Case (£37.62 @ SmartTeck.co.uk)
    Power Supply: XFX - XT 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£35.93 @ CCL Computers)
    Total: £462.15

    Any pointers or things I may have missed as a noob? Thanks.


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    TerrorFirmer
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    Yeah, stretch for a Ryzen 1400 or 1600. The 1200 is quad core/quad thread, and they choke on quite a few of the latest games.

    Personally I'd prefer a Ryzen 1600 + 1050Ti over a Ryzen 1200 + 570. Yes the 570 is much faster but the 1200 will suffer framedrops in some bigger games. You can always adjust graphics settings, but there is nothing you can do about a CPU bottleneck.

    Also get a 2x4GB kit in dual channel. A single stick of 8GB will also cause issues in some games and combined with the weak Ryzen 1200 you could actually suffer very bad framerates and frame drop in some of the latest games.


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    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    outofmydepth wrote: »
    Think I'm going to go with this;

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£72.00 @ Amazon UK)
    Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£57.59 @ Amazon UK)
    Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£54.70 @ CCL Computers)
    Storage: Mushkin - Source 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£34.32 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£169.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: RIOTORO - CR488 ATX Mid Tower Case (£37.62 @ SmartTeck.co.uk)
    Power Supply: XFX - XT 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£35.93 @ CCL Computers)
    Total: £462.15

    Any pointers or things I may have missed as a noob? Thanks.
    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£72.00 @ Amazon UK)
    Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£65.78 @ CCL Computers)
    Memory: Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£58.99 @ CCL Computers)
    Storage: Patriot - Burst 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£29.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 4 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£160.14 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: RIOTORO - CR480 ATX Mid Tower Case (£37.06 @ CCL Computers)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic - ECO 430 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£43.08 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £467.04
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-10 17:58 GMT+0000

    That XFX power supply is out of stock so you'll have to go with something different.
    GPU-wise, there's a £9 difference between 4 & 8Gb models, but IMHO at 1080p or lower you'll be fine with 4Gb (since the GPU itself will be the bottleneck at 1440p).
    RAM, go dual-channel.
    Motherboard, it pays to pay a little more for the Pro4 motherboard.
    SSD, the Patriot Burst has better specs than Mushkin Source.


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    outofmydepth
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭outofmydepth


    Thanks folks, taking that on board, here is what I have;


    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£89.99 @ Box Limited)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£65.80 @ Box Limited)
    Memory: Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£58.99 @ CCL Computers)
    Storage: Crucial - BX500 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£32.39 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 4 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£149.98 @ Ebuyer)
    Case: RIOTORO - CR488 ATX Mid Tower Case (£37.62 @ SmartTeck.co.uk)
    Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £482.76
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available



    Also, assuming you also live in Ireland what do you do Re shipping costs? Address pal? Amazon.de?

    Thanks again for this, much appreciated.


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    TerrorFirmer
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    That doesn't really make much sense as the 2200G is still a quad core/quad thread CPU - it's basically the 1200 with decent integrated graphics but that doesn't make any odds when you're using a dedicated card.

    I would up the CPU to Ryzen 1400 (quad core, eight thread) or 1600 (six, twelve) if you can afford it. If not, I'd probably advise going with a Ryzen 1600 + cheap 1050Ti.


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    outofmydepth
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭outofmydepth


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    That doesn't really make much sense as the 2200G is still a quad core/quad thread CPU - it's basically the 1200 with decent integrated graphics but that doesn't make any odds when you're using a dedicated card.

    I would up the CPU to Ryzen 1400 (quad core, eight thread) or 1600 (six, twelve) if you can afford it. If not, I'd probably advise going with a Ryzen 1600 + cheap 1050Ti.

    Sound for drawing my attention to that, wouldn't have copped it otherwise.

    Having compared the 1200/1300x and 1400 I think I'm just going to go for the 1200 and OC it. Am I correct in saying that my MoBo will support that and the stock cooler will handle it OC'd?


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    TerrorFirmer
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    Yes, you can OC it on a decent B350/450 motherboard and above. It's real problem is the lack of cores/threads. The latest modern games like BF5, Assassins Creed, etc, struggle on 4/4 processors. By buying a Ryzen 1600, it's an extra £50 but it won't need changing for years. Can't say the same about the 1200, it's grand for someone who's only playing Fortnite or similar, but for AAA games it's not worth it.

    1200 and 1300X are essentially the same, 1300x is just higher clockspeed. I would say the Ryzen 1400 is the bare minimum now for an AAA game orientated build, but 1600 ideally.


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    tuxy
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    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    to Ryzen 1400 (quad core, eight thread) or 1600 (six, twelve) if you can afford it. If not, I'd probably advise going with a Ryzen 1600 + cheap 1050Ti.

    Why 1050ti over the rx 570 when the cheap ones are much the same price on Amazon at least. I know nothing about current AMD cards but everyone else has said the 570 performs better.


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    TerrorFirmer
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Why 1050ti over the rx 570 when the cheap ones are much the same price on Amazon at least. I know nothing about current AMD cards but everyone else has said the 570 performs better.

    If they are the same price, absolutely the 570.

    I was just saying a Ryzen 1400/1600 + cheapest 1050ti would be broadly better than the 1200 + 570, if there's a gap.

    570 right now comes with 2 free brand new games, so really it doesn't make any sense to get a 1050ti to be fair.


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    #14
    outofmydepth
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭outofmydepth


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    Yes, you can OC it on a decent B350/450 motherboard and above. It's real problem is the lack of cores/threads. The latest modern games like BF5, Assassins Creed, etc, struggle on 4/4 processors. By buying a Ryzen 1600, it's an extra £50 but it won't need changing for years. Can't say the same about the 1200, it's grand for someone who's only playing Fortnite or similar, but for AAA games it's not worth it.

    1200 and 1300X are essentially the same, 1300x is just higher clockspeed. I would say the Ryzen 1400 is the bare minimum now for an AAA game orientated build, but 1600 ideally.

    I see where you’re coming from but to be honest I’m not too interested in AAA games. This build is more for playing Esports titles like csgo/fortnite/siege and overwatch. So I’m just looking to use this build as an intro to the process whilst getting 100+FPS in those titles.


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