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Boxing on TG4 tonight 20:30

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  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    boxer.fan wrote: »
    Tonight's opportunity arose because a promoter fronted the sanctioning fee in exchange for the best silverware on offer. WBC love the readies. Therefore they've got this arrangement available to boxers like Ray who have the financial backing.

    Look. It's helping promote the sport in this country. It would have been nice had Moylette won but what do you do. Now he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's plenty there to work on, and he'll improve. I hope.

    As for our man with his top 15 ranking, Dave Ryan had a top 15 WBC rank too. When he tried to climb a bit higher, he failed. We all moved on. No one got killed.

    If this Mexican guy is as bad as you say, he'll get nowhere near the world title belt.

    Tg4 gets their promotion, the people who tune in see a shiny belt, hopefully some young lads watching go to a boxing gym next week.

    Everyone's a winner.

    You're taking this way too seriously man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭boxer.fan


    Look. It's helping promote the sport in this country. It would have been nice had Moylette won but what do you do. Now he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's plenty there to work on, and he'll improve. I hope.

    As for our man with his top 15 ranking, Dave Ryan had a top 15 WBC rank too. When he tried to climb a bit higher, he failed. We all moved on. No one got killed.

    If this Mexican guy is as bad as you say, he'll get nowhere near the world title belt.

    Tg4 gets their promotion, the people who tune in see a shiny belt, hopefully some young lads watching go to a boxing gym next week.

    Everyone's a winner.

    You're taking this way too seriously man.

    Actually I'm not. You will see in my earlier posts what I thought of tonight's event.
    I have no problem with lads fighting for belts & such, often they are very much aware of where they are at in the grand scheme of rankings. I'm happy to watch the boxing regardless of level.

    There has been some talk on this thread about top 15. Top 15 refers to Lomachenko, Garcia et al. Enough said. Goodnight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,708 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Reading a lot of online posts about this being a super show...

    I missed Ray’s fight but saw the rest....

    Am I missing something? Bunch of absolute mismatches is what I saw...

    With bizarre commentary..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    pac_man wrote: »
    People backing due to blind patriotism. The Irish love that. Wasn't Mcgregor something stupid like 4/1 to beat Mayweather?

    Was something like that yeah. Absolute madness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭boxer.fan


    walshb wrote: »
    Reading a lot of online posts about this being a super show...

    I missed Ray’s fight but saw the rest....

    Am I missing something? Bunch of absolute mismatches is what I saw...

    With bizarre commentary..

    Twas a fine country show walshb. Low budget, but great to have it on the telly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,708 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    boxer.fan wrote: »
    Twas a fine country show walshb. Low budget, but great to have it on the telly.

    Well, I only saw four fights...was the televised card 5 fights in total?

    Maybe the rest of card was very enjoyable..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    walshb wrote: »
    Reading a lot of online posts about this being a super show...

    I missed Ray’s fight but saw the rest....

    Am I missing something? Bunch of absolute mismatches is what I saw...

    With bizarre commentary..

    To be honest, I thought the 'Journeymen' they brought in were a lot better than others we've seen over the years. At least they didn't just lie down and they gave their opponents plenty to think about and rounds under their belts. (Talking about Spike and Dylan Morans opponents here....)

    Commentary was a bit ropey but I'd agree that it's a bit awkward having friends of the boxer in the ring doing analysis. They're never going to slate or criticise 'one of their own' and they're always going to try to talk him up. Worse was the judge that gave it 95-94 to Ray !! 96-92 was probably about right so fair play to that judge. Good enough fight though, the Mexican was one tough cookie and never took a backward step. Ray did well also to come back from that knockdown.

    Overall I enjoyed the card and I'd love to see more of these events around the country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    well. what a great atmosphere there last night, really was. dunno if any of you are familiar with a.j. lieblings books, but on the balcony last night looking down on the ring during the moylette fight, which was an old school bit of slugging a lot of the time, the crowd atmosphere, being in a theatre, it almost felt like how liebling described the smaller hall shows he attended and would sit back in the crowd away from the rest of the press to get what he thought was a better view.......anyway....thats neither here or there...

    the moylette fight i couldnt help but think as the rounds went on that he had the ability, if he had a different game plan, to just beat his opponent....not talking about changing things he hasnt got, but what he has....he has a good gas tank that seen him through ten hard rounds...and he has good footwork....my son commented to me that he was surprised that packy collins was urging him forward so much during the fight, when we were thinking slow the rounds down...keep a distance and dart in and out with jabs and use angles...and he appears to have the tools for that.......this man who beat him was good, but i think on another night with a less exciting and safer gameplan, he might, might, have had the beating of him on points.

    i was talking with moylettes old amatuer trainer afterwards and one of the tv panel....and the feeling was, that all things considered, that moylette had reached his potential and he couldnt expect to go further.

    where does that leave him ?.....try again for 2-3 years and maybe change the style to less attacking seeing as its obvious he hasnt got massive punching power ?......or maybe go on the sparring partner circuit ?....he has a good reputation in joe gallaghers gym now as that.

    as for the top 15 rating to the winner of this fight....well, that was very confusing over the past few days.......this fight was billed as a wbc international title with winner getting into their top 15....then....2 days out reports said it was changed to a wbc SILVER international strap, which has no such top 15 rating, dont think it gives any automatic rating....and the weigh-in announced the fight as such........THEN last night at the fight they were announcing it as a WBC international title...and from the clips from tv i seen after i came home, the commentary seemed to be referring to it as an international title and they were making reference to the top 15 rating.

    spike o sullivan....first time to meet him...what a gent....great crack too....walked into the venue with him from the car park so got some chatting time........his fight looked like he wanted to get them rounds in....from my vantage point he had his opponent open at times and just stood off him, spike also got tagged a few times, but he didnt look worried....it wasnt a great fight...an exhibition type fight....but to me it definitely looked like spike was using it to get rounds in and carried his opponent at times......but, spike did not look great at all doing it.....hard to know whats his road now at his age too.

    great support, a big crowd travelled just to see him, for young arron gethins from sligo...looked like he wanted to finish he man quick for the show, but after 2 rounds he settled and looked like he knew it was better to concentrate on the points...he'll be one to watch, very tall for the weight, cut to the bone and all lean muscle, and trained by block reynolds who is good trainer.

    anyway....the above is just my reactions / thinking aloud....from being there last night.....i have often been to fights that looked completely different when viewed back on tv....so i wont be surprised if people dont agree with my view on what i seen.

    got some great time chatting with sean mannion into the wee hours....treat for me, as i followed that mans career and have read a lot on him...a real folk hero in my eyes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Westwood


    Who was that cracking looking girl with the black hair at the end of ray's fight? It panned into her in the audience,. I must find this women she's wifey 😀


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Kaizer Sosa


    Thoroughly enjoyment night's entertainment from Castlebar. Of course it was a bit amateurish but all in all I thought it was pretty decent. Some enjoyable scraps.

    Please please please have that announcer and Seán Bán Ballbag do more events like this around the country. Think his most incisive one of the night was "he'll want to win this, won't he?"

    I laughed out loud when he suggested to Ryan Burnett that 34 year old Roy Sheahan was a big prospect for the future. Think RB felt too bad to contradict him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,994 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It is a pity. Was listening to him on the radio a few weeks back. Seems like a real humble, nice decent lad too.

    Would have been nice.

    Then again he's still relatively young and can improve. Fingers crossed.

    To be honest no amount of improvement is going to be enough for him to be even fringe world level.

    Lets just hope he got a decent pay check last night, and on the back of this maybe bring more televised boxing to the west of Ireland at the same time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Kaizer Sosa


    To be honest no amount of improvement is going to be enough for him to be even fringe world level.

    Lets just hope he got a decent pay check last night, and on the back of this maybe bring more televised boxing to the west of Ireland at the same time.

    Yeah, it's a shame really as he seems like a good lad who could easily build a cult following if he put a run of high profile wins together. Feather fists, casual defence and a questionable jaw are never really going to be a good combo at this level though.

    Still, it shows the potential for boxing. A sub-standard card with some popular moderately talented boxers gets very big buzz with little promotion. Imagine if the fights were more competitive and had something on the line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    i was thinking the last few weeks if his preperation was right. not making excuses.
    but...he was on radio and online media doing interviews daily...he was running about organising sponsorship...he was always on facebook replying to wellwishers.
    not criticising but made me wonder where the time was left for concentrating on training.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,708 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    To be honest no amount of improvement is going to be enough for him to be even fringe world level.

    Lets just hope he got a decent pay check last night, and on the back of this maybe bring more televised boxing to the west of Ireland at the same time.

    Agreed. These lads, albeit green pros, are career boxers...they are what they are...

    Ray was a very good amateur. Just a different game in pros. I have seen several of his pro fights. He’s just not near quality level at pro..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,257 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    walshb wrote: »
    Agreed. These lads, albeit green pros, are career boxers...they are what they are...

    Ray was a very good amateur. Just a different game in pros. I have seen several of his pro fights. He’s just not near quality level at pro..




    He was never consistent though. You would never know how he'd get on. He could go out and beat the best, or just not switch on on the day


    Went out and won a European gold medal and then got beaten the next year in the seniors by the fella who had just won the intermediates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    He was never consistent though. You would never know how he'd get on. He could go out and beat the best, or just not switch on on the day


    Went out and won a European gold medal and then got beaten the next year in the seniors by the fella who had just won the intermediates.

    Agreed he was an ok amateur


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Try_harder wrote: »
    Agreed he was an ok amateur

    Oh Jesus, here we go again!!

    "Ok amateur" = World Youth champion and European Senior champion!

    I wish I was an "ok amateur".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    megadodge wrote: »
    Oh Jesus, here we go again!!

    "Ok amateur" = World Youth champion and European Senior champion!

    I wish I was an "ok amateur".

    The world is full of world youth champions that went nowhere

    World Elite Senior Or Olympic winner is a Top amateur to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Try_harder wrote: »
    The world is full of world youth champions that went nowhere

    No it's not!

    What a stupid post.

    And winning a Senior European championship makes a boxer "ok".

    That's even more stupid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,257 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    megadodge wrote: »
    No it's not!

    What a stupid post.

    And winning a Senior European championship makes a boxer "ok".

    That's even more stupid.




    Nobody can take those achievements away from him. European golds are rare.


    But if I recall correctly, he didn't win that many senior titles. And I think he was kept around the High Performance based on his experience. Didn't he get a few box-offs during his day that were more to do with giving him a second shot to get on the team?

    It might be more of a case of people being disappointed for him after expectations being set too high from his underage exploits. It's not saying he wasn't very good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Nobody can take those achievements away from him. European golds are rare.


    But if I recall correctly, he didn't win that many senior titles. It might be more of a case of people being disappointed for him after expectations being set too high from his underage exploits. It's not saying he wasn't very good.

    I wasn't commenting on your post, which was pretty fair.

    He was inconsistent. But the standard in Ireland was very high at the time.

    However, labelling him "ok" reminds me that it's Saturday night. Hiccup!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Is Ogogo a top amateur then with an Olympic Bronze?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Try_harder wrote: »
    Is Ogogo a top amateur then with an Olympic Bronze?

    You commented that a European Senior Champion was an "ok" amateur.

    That's what I commented on.


    It's no wonder you change your Username so often trying to back up that sort of crap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    megadodge wrote: »
    You commented that a European Senior Champion was an "ok" amateur.

    That's what I commented on.


    It's no wonder you change your Username so often trying to back up that sort of crap.

    Thats not why I change it, no need for the personal attacks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    He fought my mate in the intermediates- shipped a lot of punches never over impressed by him at senior either. To me he was an ok international amateur boxer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Try_harder wrote: »
    He fought my mate in the intermediates- shipped a lot of punches never over impressed by him at senior either. To me he was an ok international amateur boxer.

    So now you're revising - he has improved to an "ok international amateur boxer" not just an "ok amateur" boxer.

    Either way, it's obvious even you're seeing the ridiculousness of claiming an "ok" amateur boxer is capable of winning the European Senior title.

    Stop digging.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    megadodge wrote: »
    So now you're revising - he has improved to an "ok international amateur boxer" not just an "ok amateur" boxer.

    Either way, it's obvious even you're seeing the ridiculousness of claiming an "ok" amateur boxer is capable of winning the European Senior title.

    Stop digging.

    At least you have dropped the personal abuse. I dont do hyperbole- top is top, top top is bollox.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Try_harder wrote: »
    At least you have dropped the personal abuse. I dont do hyperbole- top is top, top top is bollox.

    Yet again, you are trying to distract from YOUR comment.

    I never mentioned "elite".
    I never mentioned "top".
    And I certainly never mentioned "top top" whatever the hell that is.

    I was commenting on what YOU said.
    Which was that a person who won a World Youth title and European Senior title was merely an "ok amateur".

    Not alone is that just factually wrong and stupid, it's highly disrespectful! And yet you try to change tack by accusing me of personal abuse???


    I guess I'll just go around to all the World Youth champions that my neighbourhood is full of and see do they agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,708 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think a common ground needs to be reached regarding Moylette as an amateur..

    Simple: on form he could hold his own with any amateur in his weight class..

    Do I or did I ever consider him an elite amateur? No...

    My definition of elite is for those top rated guys that have top rated consistency on the world stage.

    And I well aware that a European Senior/Elite gold is a great achievement..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭megadodge


    walshb wrote: »
    I think a common ground needs to be reached regarding Moylette as an amateur..

    Simple: on form he could hold his own with any amateur in his weight class..

    Do I or did I ever consider him an elite amateur? No...

    My definition of elite is for those top rated guys that have top rated consistency on the world stage.

    And I well aware that a European Senior/Elite gold is s great achievement..

    So maybe, just maybe, he was better than an "ok amateur"?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Lads, the whole discussion is relative so just give it a rest. Thoroughly bored by it now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,708 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    megadodge wrote: »
    So maybe, just maybe, he was better than an "ok amateur"?

    You’d have to ask that poster...

    If I was the poster I guess my argument would be due to him lacking any real consistency...doing well, but not really excelling enough through the years...

    If you didn’t know about his European Gold and saw him boxing you would not think elite....that’s just my view...and I have seen him live several times in the stadium.

    Ok could mean good, decent.......could mean it...!


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