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  • #102
    pconn062
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    This the clickbait media at it's worst. Some nobody complains about a song to try and get their names in the papers. Then the media outlets know that the "snowflake" and "PC brigade" crew will go mad over this so blow the story up into something bigger than it ever should have been. They blame the "lefties" and "snowflakes" for these stories without realising that they are being played by the media. A few years ago this story this story never would have got coverage but now there is such an appetite for "snowflake" hating stories, this type of thing gets more coverage than it ever deserved.

    In reality, no one really wants the lyrics changed apart from a few media people trying to make a name for themselves, but the media outlets got their way and now everyone is talking about and reading about it, and buying newspaper stories about it. Job done.


  • #103
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    I was in the company of a homosexual over the weekend when the song came on in a pub while a group of us were drinking heavily. He’s not a hysterical or moany sort, but did say that he finds that particular word offensive. It’s a slur, and isn’t one of these words that has the heat taken out of it by being accepted by the community or group it is meant to insult.

    The song isn't about him though. The fictional character saying the word is not addressing him.

    Are we to strive towards a point where all characters in fictional works are nice people who only ever say nice things about other people?

    We have reached a strange point where the initial well-meaning drive towards tolerance over recent decades has yielded a brutal intolerance. I can't differentiate myself between such a spirit of intolerance and the spirit of the fatwah on Rushdie or the burning of books in Germany in the 30's. It comes from the same place. We need to be careful where we go here.


  • #104
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    There's no way McGowan was coherent enough to make that statement..


  • #105
    Heckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There's no way McGowan was coherent enough to make that statement..

    Just because the man has difficulty speaking doesn't mean he can't gather a thought you idiot.

    A wordsmith who gave us the likes of a rainy night in soho etc etc and you think he can't string together a statement ?

    Clown.


  • #106
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Heckler wrote: »
    Deeply disappointed by Shane McGowens statement regarding this. I was hoping it would be more along the lines of:


    Go **** off - Shane McGowen

    Maybe along with a pic of him giving the finger. :pac:

    Don't censor my **** for ****s sake.




    I'd say his wife wrote the statement


  • #107
    Heckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭Heckler


    vicwatson wrote: »
    I'd say his wife wrote the statement

    Why ? I imagine Shane is well able to write his own thoughts. Maybe Stephen Hawking was just a puppet for someone too because he couldn't articulate himself .

    Another idiot.


  • #108
    letsseehere14
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭letsseehere14


    Great, another book burning.

    I cant wait for 1648 to be over, 1649 should be much better. Oh wait.


  • #109
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    It absolutely was, and still is.

    What the hell are you talking about?

    In 1985?


  • #110
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    In 1985?

    You don't think fåggot was a slur word for gay people in 1985? It definitely was.


  • #111
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Ronan keating started all this sh1te.


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  • #112
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    I find it strange how some words suddenly become 'offensive' or swear words and others don't. I think even Boards is based on American standards of what constitutes an offensive word. Over there you can happily say wanker on prime time television and no one bats an eyelid. They seem to think it's some funny word that posh English people use. "What-ho Queen Elizabeth could you **** me please?". I find it odd that I can type wanker with no problem but I have to get around the word shite being censored.


  • #113
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    In 1985?

    Yes, absolutely. It was used as an insult in the 60's for sure (often shortened to fag) and probably as far back as the 40's.


  • #114
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    You don't think fot was a slur word for gay people in 1985? It definitely was.

    In the US for sure.

    In Ireland though?


  • #115
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    In the US for sure.

    In Ireland though?

    Yeah, me and my friends and the people around us would have used the term with that meaning. I'd never ever heard the other meaning people are bandying about on here in relation to it.


  • #116
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Yes, absolutely. It was used as an insult in the 60's for sure (often shortened to fag) and probably as far back as the 40's.

    I did a bit of research on it. It has been used as a slur for gay people in America since the start of the 1910s.

    There's no real record of it being used in such a fashion in the UK and Ireland up until we began mimmicking all their BS with the rise of the internet.


  • #117
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I did a bit of research on it. It has been used as a slur for gay people in America since the start of the 1910s.

    There's no real record of it being used in such a fashion in the UK and Ireland up until we began mimmicking all their BS with the rise of the internet.

    I didn't realise we had the internet in the Midlands back in the mid eighties... I must have forgotten.


  • #118
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I didn't realise we had the internet in the Midlands back in the mid eighties... I must have forgotten.
    I'm not doubting you at all.

    I grew up in the midlands too back in the 90s. I just don't remember it being as commonly used back then. Queer was the one you'd hear a lot as kids.


  • #119
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    qkAwwF3h.jpg

    You bumbag, you caggot, you cheap lousy saggot.

    Much better. Truly a song that everyone can enjoy now.


  • #120
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I did a bit of research on it. It has been used as a slur for gay people in America since the start of the 1910s.

    There's no real record of it being used in such a fashion in the UK and Ireland up until we began mimmicking all their BS with the rise of the internet.

    I mean, I was raised by a gay couple throughout the 1980's, and I've got to tell you. ****** was absolutely an insult in the 1980's.

    I truly do not understand why you're arguing this. It was a commonly used homophobic slur in Ireland, just like queer and dyke etc.


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  • #121
    Yikes!
    Site Banned Posts: 9 ✭Yikes!


    F aggot is just an insult, if it offendes you then put on your big boy pants and move on.

    I watched Barfly the other night and there's a scene where Eddie the Barman calls Mickey Rourke a ******. I was so upset I was visibly shaking but then I remembered it's a movie about low class people and that's how low class people talk.


  • #122
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Heckler wrote: »
    Why ? I imagine Shane is well able to write his own thoughts. Maybe Stephen Hawking was just a puppet for someone too because he couldn't articulate himself .

    Another idiot.

    I agree that he is fully there mentally as you say. Off topic but just curious as to why he has difficulty speaking? Is it neurological damage from drugs and alcohol? Or a stroke or something?


  • #123
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    I despise the internet at times. Recreational outrage of the emotionally incapable looking to stir up attention, comparing current societal issues too those in past decades etc .

    The use of phrases with derogatory connotations in a generic sense is simply context dependant, It my case and where i grew up it was slang used as a phrase, and only that. I could list many examples of what it was used for when responding to someone or ripping into someone etc

    I grew up using this term, Iv said it plenty of times and so have people around me. The majority of people, including myself- if not all people, would not harbor any homophobic views or exhibit any discriminatory behaviour towards the LGBTQ community. These views are not manifested during the life span to be ultimately used later in the persons life.

    The meaning of words is context dependant and words only have the power that you give them. Offence is taken, not given. Everything is taken in such a disparaging way and people are becoming offended on behalf of someone else like this chart DJ is doing. Its the intent that surrounds the use of any word or phrase. The sporadic outrage for silly things like this is not helping societal issues.


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