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Why is the Communist Party of Ireland unpopular?

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  • #92
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    In the Soviet Union any unemployed person found by the authorities was given a job. And when I say given, this wasn't a choice. Everyone works. The welfare state in which grown adults can choose not to work is a luxury made possible by capitalism.
    Yeah, it was great times. You could have been employed in the mass state controlled media, or thrust into the employment of the KGB to spread terror and suppress the population, or maybe an officer in the Gulag where you get to witness the suffering of many people who dared to exert freedom of speech against the government. Ah, nostalgic.


  • #93
    [Deleted User]
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Surprising how quickly people grow up politically when they start woking and paying taxes.

    this is it

    when youre young and well used to being told what to do, have no money and everything is unfair, then sure, communism why not, cant be any worse right?

    then you actually get a job and some cash and get to buy some stuff and stay up past your bedtime whenever you want and ... communism? fcuk off this sh1t here is mine i paid for it

    representative democracy with a decent social safety net has a lot going for it, in that you can be as commie as you like without ever having to shoot any comrades for the cause, and as capitalist pig as you like as long as you pay your taxes. and everyone gets to complain about the system!


  • #94
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,131 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Surprising how quickly people grow up politically when they start woking and paying taxes.

    Strange thought that the AH workers would say they are the opposite of "woke"


  • #95
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 771 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    I am sick to my teeth of having to explain how deplorable communism is to young lads that think it would solve all our issues in Ireland.

    In fairness to them they are just thick.


  • #96
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    I am sick to my teeth of having to explain how deplorable communism is to young lads that think it would solve all our issues in Ireland.

    In fairness to them they are just thick.

    Just ask them were has it worked... And watch them tie themselves in knots


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  • #97
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 771 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Just ask them were has it worked... And watch them tie themselves in knots

    Ah no man but our communism would be done properly. Pure thick.


  • #98
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    Ah no man but our communism would be done properly. Pure thick.

    They all seem to develop that creepy communist look too, I'd rather live in a world were we didn't go around calling each other comrade


  • #99
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    communism sounds good to some people on paper alot like laissez-faire capitalism but is much different when put into practice.

    Communism can't work without there being a democratic system in place. However the people in charge usually become autocratic and the state totalitarian because humans by their very nature once they gain total power they want to keep it that way.

    Btw why is a thread started by a banned poster still open?


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
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    emptyhouse2222 wrote: »
    to be fair to the commies
    they have one good point about divvying up the land of ireland and giving every citizen 5 acres
    that would be amazing, instead of living on top of each other in horrible estates everyone has their own little 5 acre patch
    That policy must have been written about thirty years ago in inner city Dublin.
    With population growth we are down to about 3.5 acres per person and a boggy acre up the side of a mountain in connemara isn't the same as a well drained fertile acre somewhere else in the country. Still though a hungry, dispersed population should be easier to control.
    emptyhouse2222 wrote: »
    well i don't know
    you people are always hating on poor children from inner-city slums

    give them a piece of land, and i guarantee you the youths you see as scumbags, will become good at minding their own small patch of land, and maybe even a few animals,
    but no
    the friends of fine gael and fine fail own the land
    Throw them out into the country without skills or capital would be a recipe for disaster. I am imagining Holodomor or Pol Pot emptying the cities.

    Edit: I'm curious how anything else would be done if everyone was scratching away on their five acres.


  • #101
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    The communist manifesto still makes perfect sense but how to actually implement those ideas in real life is the tricky bit. Israel is probably the most successful country founded partially on leftist principles, but of course that doesn't compute in the current stale left-wing ideology.


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  • #102
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    frosty123 wrote: »
    we have SF to fill the marxist/communist void in this country

    This is just hilarious guff. SF are neither marxist nor communist.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #103
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Aren't parties over the years such the United Left Alliance, The Workers Party, EirigAnti Austerity Alliance, PBP, Solidarity and Sinn Fein (to some extent) basically the same thing.

    No.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #104
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Ireland is full of daft one man "communist" parties - the market is flooded, no point in the actual Communist Party even trying.


  • #105
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Yeah maybe not communism but some system that tempers greed rather than rewards it. Saying 'humans are naturally greedy' is a good reason not to facilitate that nature via a purely capitalist system.

    There is no evidence that humans are naturally greedy by the way

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #106
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    There is no evidence that humans are naturally greedy by the way

    We can ignore thousands of years of peoples and nations battering the crap out of each other for resources, and hoarding and profiteering in times of shortages.


  • #107
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,844 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    There is no evidence that humans are naturally greedy by the way

    Humans by their nature are self-interested. There is a mountain of peer-reviewed evidence to back this up.


  • #108
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    markodaly wrote: »
    Humans by their nature are self-interested. There is a mountain of peer-reviewed evidence to back this up.

    Then why did one of my neighbours knock on my door last week to tell me I had left my car lights on?

    Could it have been that he wanted to steal it later, and it was no use to him without a functioning battery? The bastard.


  • #109
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    DS86DS wrote: »
    I can't stand people wearing Che Guevara t-shirts.

    He's portrayed as some noble revolutionary who fought for a better for life for the people. When in reality the truth is that he was a vicious and calculated murderer who put a bullet in anybody who dared got on his wrong side.


    https://youtu.be/KdKJ-jHU2UE


    He was prepared to kill in order to achieve his aims, many capitalists were and are the same.

    The problem with communism is the level of control required, turns people into non human digits.


  • #110
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    If the above were to happen, Ireland would become the first properly communist country in history.

    As opposed to the USSR, Peoples Republic of China, half of Africa, Venezuela, Chile, East Germany Romania, Poland, Belarus, parts of West Asia etc etc......

    Sure I would be all for it. I have a list of people for the new re-education camp I am planning in Monaghan..... academics, traitors business men, teenage and student counter revolutionaries...... oh my list goes on!!! Then on to sieze the farms and raise funds.

    All going well I will have my socialist Utopia by next year. Oh and I am going to have to print some currency as well. Anyone who questions my authority is obviously a capitalist agitator


  • #111
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,844 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Then why did one of my neighbours knock on my door last week to tell me I had left my car lights on?

    Could it have been that he wanted to steal it later, and it was no use to him without a functioning battery? The bastard.

    Maybe he did that because you granted him a favor previously or that he hoped you would do the same for him. Pure 100% altruism is debatable but the nuance is lost on you I think.


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  • #112
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    markodaly wrote: »
    Maybe he did that because you granted him a favor previously or that he hoped you would do the same for him. Pure 100% altruism is debatable but the nuance is lost on you I think.

    "He hoped you would do the same for him" - Now we're getting dangerously close to the idea that most people have a tendency to treat others as they would wish to be treated themselves. The desire for reciprocity is certainly not 100% altruistic, but it contradicts the capitalistic idea that we're all out for what we can get and have no desire to look out for each other.


  • #113
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    topmanamillion wrote: »
    The other is China with 1.3 billion people + 100 million more in Vietnam!

    I don't know what Russia would call itself but its not a democracy and there's an awful lot of state involvement in private business. Plus they have a "president" for life.
    China is a commuist nation in name only


  • #114
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,844 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    but it contradicts the capitalistic idea that we're all out for what we can get and have no desire to look out for each other.


    Who said that was a capitalist idea?


  • #115
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    markodaly wrote: »
    Who said that was a capitalist idea?

    People's supposed inherent selfishness is regularly trotted out as weak way of excusing Capitalism.


  • #116
    MFPM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭MFPM


    DS86DS wrote: »
    I can't stand people wearing Che Guevara t-shirts.

    He's portrayed as some noble revolutionary who fought for a better for life for the people. When in reality the truth is that he was a vicious and calculated murderer who put a bullet in anybody who dared got on his wrong side.


    https://youtu.be/KdKJ-jHU2UE

    Posting a link to an alt right youtube channel isn't exactly objective evidence, you are aware of that? Next thing you'll be telling us African Americans are inferior to white Americans and linking to the KKK as proof.


  • #117
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,844 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    People's supposed inherent selfishness is regularly trotted out as weak way of excusing Capitalism.

    Excusing capitalism? What's better? For its faults, capitalism is the best we have got at the moment.

    If capitalism was so terrible and inherently bad, while do we as humans still base our world around it? Like other ism's we would have gotten rid of it if it did not serve our needs.

    Capitalism is not a zero-sum game. You mentioned reciprocity earlier. Two nations/humans can benefit if they trade with one another. Ireland is a prime example of this.


  • #118
    Mongfinder General
    Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    MFPM wrote: »
    Posting a link to an alt right youtube channel isn't exactly objective evidence, you are aware of that? Next thing you'll be telling us African Americans are inferior to white Americans and linking to the KKK as proof.

    Guevara was a Cnut. He killed thousands of innocent people and had a particular disdain for homosexuals.


  • #119
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    China is a commuist nation in name only

    China is a strange mix of communism/capitalism. Beijing feels communist while cities like Shanghai/Chengdu feel more capitalist.

    I don't think any modern socia-capitalist country could grow at the rapid rate China has the past two decades. If the Chinese government says something is to be built, it's built and very quickly.

    In the west major projects struggle to get off the ground, in China they build vast metro systems, huge skyscrapers and thousands of miles off high speed train networks without batting an eyelid.


  • #120
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    markodaly wrote: »
    Excusing capitalism? What's better? For its faults, capitalism is the best we have got at the moment.

    If capitalism was so terrible and inherently bad, while do we as humans still base our world around it? Like other ism's we would have gotten rid of it if it did not serve our needs.

    Capitalism is not a zero-sum game. You mentioned reciprocity earlier. Two nations/humans can benefit if they trade with one another. Ireland is a prime example of this.

    Capitalism isn't bad, profit isnt the devil. However neoliberalism capitalism has served to make obscene profits for a minority though. That's an issue


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  • #121
    fiveleavesleft
    Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭fiveleavesleft


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    China is a commuist nation in name only

    So why all this hubbub in this thread over the CPI?

    If the little CPI which is essentially a bookshop can cause such a stir & fret here, yet China which is transforming the world is Communist in "name only" can be passed of with such equanimity. It's odd.


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