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Why is the Communist Party of Ireland unpopular?

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    #32
    Ubi feles est?
    Site Banned Posts: 16 ✭Ubi feles est?


    I'm just asking about a Lenin-style revolution?


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    #33
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    I'm just asking about a Lenin-style revolution?

    Asked and answered already.



    But you know that.


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    Raheem Euro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 327 ✭✭Raheem Euro


    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    I'm just curious that why the party doesn't have any seats and if or why not a Lenin-style revolution would happen.

    Back in the early decades of the twrntieth century bolshevism was a significant political movement and force in industrial cities in Germany, France etc. Its support base was typically working class men in factories.

    ROI was an agrarian ecomomy and society. The RCC who are a great enemy of communism was firmly rooted here at the time and was a strong influe ce on politics and ordinary peoples views.


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    #35
    Ubi feles est?
    Site Banned Posts: 16 ✭Ubi feles est?


    Langston Nervous Rave wrote: »
    True.


    Because it's a proven failed ideology .

    There have been 0 communist states anywhere in history. If Ireland were to become one via revolution or vote we would be the first communist state, and would therefore have the capacity to improve on the ideology and set an example.


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    #36
    fiveleavesleft
    Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭fiveleavesleft


    Langston Nervous Rave wrote: »
    Ok.

    No. Because only a very small minority see anything remotely attractive in the concept of communism.

    I dunno. When Fianna Fail were Communist, the louder CnaG/FG said the were, the more popular they became:D:D:D


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    #37
    [Deleted User]
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    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    I'm just asking about a Lenin-style revolution?



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    #38
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    There have been 0 communist states anywhere in history. If Ireland were to become one via revolution or vote we would be the first communist state, and would therefore have the capacity to improve on the ideology and set an example.

    I'd be genuinely interested in how your definition of a Communist State differs from the accepted norm of " a state that is administered and governed by a single party, guided by Marxist-Leninist philosophy, with the aim of achieving communism."; of which there are several examples.


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    #39
    overshoot
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Because capitalism, every cnut wants more stuff than all the other cnuts, and the reason why communism in its purest form never works.
    I would have said it fails because a complete and utter waster gets as much as the person who works hard, or the menial job will get the same as the difficult highly skilled/pressured job. Therefore there is no incentive to work let alone to better yourself and if people dont grow, improve themselves, it follows the state wont.
    In other words, communism, nice in principle... but forgets human nature...


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    #40
    [Deleted User]
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    Langston Nervous Rave wrote: »
    I'd be genuinely interested in how your definition of a Communist State differs from the accepted norm of " a state that is administered and governed by a single party, guided by Marxist-Leninist philosophy, with the aim of achieving communism."; of which there are several examples.

    Well I'm pretty sure there are none at the moment that actually practice communism.


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    #41
    prinzeugen
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    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    As above.

    Also, why do they not field candidates at elections?

    They do.

    Although they call themselves SF, PBP etc as its less scary sounding.


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    #42
    fiveleavesleft
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    overshoot wrote: »
    I would have said it fails because a complete and utter waster gets as much as the person who works hard, or the menial job will get the same as the difficult highly skilled/pressured job. Therefore there is no incentive to work let alone to better yourself and if people dont grow, improve themselves, it follows the state wont.
    In other words, communism, nice in principle... but forgets human nature...

    Your behind the curve my friend, a little Deng Xiaoping thought will bring you up to speed. There's big changes coming.


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    #43
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Langston Nervous Rave wrote: »
    I'd be genuinely interested in how your definition of a Communist State differs from the accepted norm of " a state that is administered and governed by a single party, guided by Marxist-Leninist philosophy, with the aim of achieving communism."; of which there are several examples.

    Ah but thats not real communism
    Or something


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    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    What I'm asking is if they were to field candidates at the next general election would they get seats? If not, why not?
    Maybe you should check out how successful they were when we could see how well the oul communism worked in Russia, Cuba, Albania etc


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    #45
    fiveleavesleft
    Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭fiveleavesleft


    Edgware wrote: »
    Maybe you should check out how successful they were when we could see how well the oul communism worked in Russia, Cuba, Albania etc

    Was that not at the same time as the Sticks became a mass party & gained seats in the Dail election after election. :P


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    #46
    DS86DS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    Because Irish people have common sense.


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    #47
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    It’s a failed idealogy.

    I’ve just watched a documentary about the illicit doping of underage East German athletes back in the days, all to show off to the world the might of Communism. Creepy as fück. Creepy things tend to put people off.


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    Sir Oxman
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    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    I'm just curious that why the party doesn't have any seats and if or why not a Lenin-style revolution would happen.

    Because when they did run they barely hit triple figures in the *two constituencies they ran in

    *Maybe three, I can't remember


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    #49
    frosty123
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    we have SF to fill the marxist/communist void in this country


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    DS86DS
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    It’s a failed idealogy.

    I’ve just watched a documentary about the illicit doping of underage East German athletes back in the days, all to show off to the world the might of Communism. Creepy as fück. Creepy things tend to put people off.

    Creepy, but not half as creepy as the documents and videos they found in the Stasi files. In East Germany under Communism, there was zero concept of privacy and freedom.

    East Germany was the most Orwellian project in the history of the world. Thank God that Irish people have their heads screwed on when it comes to Communism......a victory for the Communist Party of Ireland is a snowball's chance in hell.

    Daily life in a Communist state is straight out of George Orwell's 1984.

    Interestingly, Angela Merkel was involved in the East Germany state during her younger years. Why this hasn't been investigated further I don't know.


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    The Tetrarch
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    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    I am being serious. Could the equivalent of the Lenin-led Russian revolution happen here?

    If not, why not?
    Go with the idea of free stuff, everyone equal, profit is bad, and you end up with the state employing four million people to make boring products.
    And everyone is worse off.


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    #52
    pcardin
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    As the others have already mentioned it's a failed ideology, pure evil and destructive. And, as the one who experienced living in the former communist controlled stated back in '80 ties, I can tell you for sure - please hang anyone who is even remotely suggesting communism. Evil must be removed at the very earliest stage.


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    #53
    pcardin
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    The Tetrarch wrote: »
    Go with the idea of free stuff, everyone equal, profit is bad, and you end up with the state employing four million people to make boring products.
    And everyone is worse off.

    except that in communism some always have been way more equal than others and same rules don't apply. :D


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    #54
    Get Real
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    DS86DS wrote: »

    Interestingly, Angela Merkel was involved in the East Germany state during her younger years. Why this hasn't been investigated further I don't know.

    I'm open to correction on this, but as far as I'm aware, she entered politics in East Germany in 1989 in order to change that system. Which subsequently happened. She wasn't involved in the governing of East Germany as it was run back then.

    She was involved in the movement to make it democratic, and is anti communist. So to say she was involved in the East German state is unfair imo. Based on what I understand anyway.


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    #55
    Raheem Euro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 327 ✭✭Raheem Euro


    Technically everyone who was ever born in, or lived in East Germany was "involved" in the East German state.


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    #56
    topmanamillion
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    Ubi feles est? wrote: »
    As above.

    Also, why do they not field candidates at elections?

    According to Wikipedia, they fielded 2 candidates in the 2014 local elections (Combined 215 votes)
    And a woman called Lynda Walker ran in Cork North West General Elections 2016 (185 votes)


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    #57
    oceanman
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    its a lot to do with human nature, human beings are predominantly greedy therefore capitalism always wins out over communism.


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    #58
    Bobtheman
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    I think after 1990 communism lost all credibility. It now only exists in what two countries one of which is north Korea.
    But even in it's heyday it never got much traction here. Nationalism took centre stage . We also didn't have that much of a working class to ignite any class struggle.
    Throw in the dominance of the church which meant supporting an atheist party was difficult for pious paddy.


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    #59
    Esel
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    Would they get the Latin vote?

    Not your ornery onager



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    topmanamillion
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    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I think after 1990 communism lost all credibility. It now only exists in what two countries one of which is north Korea.

    The other is China with 1.3 billion people + 100 million more in Vietnam!

    I don't know what Russia would call itself but its not a democracy and there's an awful lot of state involvement in private business. Plus they have a "president" for life.


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    emptyhouse2222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    to be fair to the commies
    they have one good point about divvying up the land of ireland and giving every citizen 5 acres
    that would be amazing, instead of living on top of each other in horrible estates everyone has their own little 5 acre patch


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