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Eurostar at 20: Should Ireland have a eurostar service with the U.K?

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  • #102
    Spudmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Nimr wrote: »
    No, probably not in this century.

    Could your avatar be any more apt?


  • #103
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    end of the road wrote: »
    i believe Thameslink is now operated by govia

    Thameslink brand was reintroduced in September.

    Regardless of who runs it, it is a much better than any comparable service provided by Irish Rail in my opinion.

    Something that came up in conversation with a friend as recently as Sunday when travelling on the line between St Albans and Blackfriars.


  • #104
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Even if the ground conditions permitted a tunnel, it would take minimum 12 years and €25 billion. And that is extrapolating from the Channel Tunnel programme, which had soft chalk bedrock to tunnel through, so you could be talking 15+ years and 40 bill.

    Just not economically feasible or necessary. Boats and planes are plenty capable for volume and frequency, and the expansion potential is unlimited.


  • #105
    BBJBIG
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 277 ✭✭BBJBIG


    Where d Muny come from ? Shure isn't d cuntry broke FFS ...


  • #106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BBJBIG wrote: »
    Where d Muny come from ? Shure isn't d cuntry broke FFS ...
    Like your keyboard!


  • #107
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    A tunnel with France should be our main priority ... not the UK. The UK will be out of the EU in a few years and it'll be a bloody nightmare for Ireland having to trade 'through' the UK.
    We need to look to Europe for our future - not Britain.


  • #108
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Piliger wrote: »
    A tunnel with France should be our main priority ... not the UK. The UK will be out of the EU in a few years and it'll be a bloody nightmare for Ireland having to trade 'through' the UK.
    We need to look to Europe for our future - not Britain.

    No one will ever build a tunnel between Ireland and France


  • #109
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    No one will ever stand on the moon.


  • #110
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Cheaper tunnel- would be to link Japan to Russia via Sakhalin.
    Lots more freight traffic on that route. Cars and electronics etc.
    Even the Bearing Strait would be easier since it's in shallower water. And it would link the America's to Asia


  • #111
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Piliger wrote: »
    No one will ever stand on the moon again.
    fify


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  • #112
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Deleted User wrote: »
    fify
    Reported.


  • #113
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Piliger wrote: »
    No one will ever stand on the moon.

    will happen in less than ten years


  • #114
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Piliger wrote: »
    No one will ever stand on the moon.
    Piliger wrote: »
    No one will ever stand on the moon again.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    fify
    Piliger wrote: »
    Reported.
    fify = fixed it for you.


  • #115
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    So after 800 years of trying to break away from Britain people are trying to join us up again. Can't see the Shinners or UKIP rushing to back this one.

    Has anyone even asked the Brits if they even want this thing?

    Most of them have little interest in Ireland anyway let alone any intention of ever visiting the place.

    Makes no difference anyway. By the time any tunnel is ever built, the next ice will long since have both islands joined up again.


  • #116
    howiya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭howiya


    Lapin wrote: »
    Can't see the Shinners or UKIP rushing to back this one.

    If the Shinners don't want I'm sure the Free Staters will think its a great idea


  • #117
    wildefalcon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    Lapin wrote: »
    So after 800 years of trying to break away from Britain people are trying to join us up again. Can't see the Shinners or UKIP rushing to back this one.

    Has anyone even asked the Brits if they even want this thing?

    Most of them have little interest in Ireland anyway let alone any intention of ever visiting the place.

    Makes no difference anyway. By the time any tunnel is ever built, the next ice will long since have both islands joined up again.

    It's the Welsh that want the tunnel - they feel it would be good for north Wales.


  • #118
    [Deleted User]
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    wildefalcon wrote: »
    It's the Welsh that want the tunnel - they feel it would be good for north Wales.
    That may be true during the construction phase, but once it's up and running, it'll be as useful as a motorway crossing the bottom of your garden.

    All the traffic will just fly past without stopping, no more stopping on the A55 for petrol and a meal.


  • #119
    wildefalcon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    But it would allow faster rail services to London for those in N Wales.


  • #120
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Deleted User wrote: »
    All the traffic will just fly past without stopping, no more stopping on the A55 for petrol and a meal.


    One is warming to the idea


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  • #121
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    A bad idea. It would be a land route for the zombies to get in when the inevitable apocalypse comes.

    Inevitable.


  • #122
    wildefalcon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    A bad idea. It would be a land route for the zombies to get in when the inevitable apocalypse comes.

    Inevitable.


    Damn, that's a good point. We'd need to have explosives at each end. Get ALL the zombies in the tunnel/on the bridge.

    Solution!

    WE NEED A BRIDGE/TUNNEL for the Zombies!


  • #123
    Hoop66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    wildefalcon wrote: »
    Give it 50 years or so and there's no reason, bar Irish politicians, that we can't do this.

    Ooh...so close.


  • #124
    the_monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Unfortunately with the paddy attitude here, it would go about 20 years and 100 Billion over budget.

    Then the tunnels wouldn't be wide enough for the trains to fit, or the tunnel would start to leak ... something that would again make Ireland the laughing stock of Europe- just look at the port tunnel.

    So in theory good idea, but have the Germans come in and do it , not the Irish.


  • #125
    Eutow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    the_monkey wrote: »
    Unfortunately with the paddy attitude here, it would go about 20 years and 100 Billion over budget.

    Then the tunnels wouldn't be wide enough for the trains to fit, or the tunnel would start to leak ... something that would again make Ireland the laughing stock of Europe- just look at the port tunnel.

    So in theory good idea, but have the Germans come in and do it , not the Irish.


    Instead of worrying about leakages etc, the main problem is the fact that there is no need for such a tunnel. Too expensive, not enough passengers to make it even a remotely viable project to work.

    Spend 20 Billion (very conservative estimate) and for what? Boats and planes are the best option and will be until the two islands join together in millions of years due to plate tectonics, or the next ice age joins them together again.


  • #126
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Never in all my years living in London, did using the Eurostar ever into my head as an option when travelling in Europe. And most people I knew there were the same. We just don't have the profit potential here Ireland, for such a venture to be economically viable.


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  • #127
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Eutow wrote: »
    Boats and planes are the best option and will be until the two islands join together in millions of years due to plate tectonics, or the next ice age joins them together again.
    Might be cheaper to just trigger a new ice age to drop sea level


  • #128
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    If we left our planners in charge of a sea tunnel, foot passengers would probably have to change trains in Dun laoghaire, and get on a commuter service to bring them to Dublin. With the last train getting in10 minutes after the last commuter had left.
    you can wander up to any UK mainline railway station on the morning and buy a sail and rail ticket to dublin ferryport or dun laoghaire and take different connections via different train companies to Ireland.

    Unless you have commuter tickets , when you arrive in Dublin you'd have to buy separate Ferry port Bus / luas / dublin bus / dart tickets to make a connection to Connolly station


  • #129
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    you can wander up to any UK mainline railway station on the morning and buy a sail and rail ticket to dublin ferryport or dun laoghaire and take different connections via different train companies to Ireland.

    Unless you have commuter tickets , when you arrive in Dublin you'd have to buy separate Ferry port Bus / luas / dublin bus / dart tickets to make a connection to Connolly station

    Sail rail does offer, at least they did, about 4/5 years ago, for a small extre charge travel to/from any Irish Station, for a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a regular ticket to and from dublin. But like you say, how you get to/from the port, is down to you.


  • #130
    wildefalcon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Sail rail does offer, at least they did, about 4/5 years ago, for a small extre charge travel to/from any Irish Station, for a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a regular ticket to and from dublin. But like you say, how you get to/from the port, is down to you.

    Well, what do you expect from a transport department that can't join two tram lines!


  • #131
    Capt'n Midnight
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    wildefalcon wrote: »
    Well, what do you expect from a transport department that can't join two tram lines!
    To give an idea of how much we've lost

    Map of the tram / rail lines that used to be in Dublin 1922

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dublin_1922-23_Map_Suburbs_MatureTrams_wFaresTimes_Trains_EarlyBus_Canals_pubv2.jpg

    and railway map from 1906
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Rail_Ireland_Viceregal_Commission_1906.jpg


    Or even a railway map from 1845 also has gif of closures :(
    http://www.downrail.co.uk/history/index.htm


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  • #132
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Lapin wrote: »
    Are you being serious here?

    At least in relation to Thameslink?

    Yes, I am serious. The FCC train from London to Gatwick is little better than a cattle cart. One that you'll pay handsomely to travel on at that.

    I traveled on it for several months and it only arrived on time twice. The grass is always greener.


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