AMD Zen Discussion Thread

Varik · 09-11-2018 5:01pm

How is Fatal1ty still a thing.

BloodBath · 09-11-2018 5:05pm

No idea. I'd say most people don't even know who he is/was anymore.

Shroud is the new FPS god.

K.O.Kiki · 09-11-2018 5:06pm

Varik wrote: »

How is Fatal1ty still a thing.

https://twitter.com/FATAL1TY/status/1060833638055579648

Don't hate the player :cool:

Varik · 09-11-2018 5:12pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FATAL1TY/status/1060833638055579648

Don't hate the player :cool:

Don't mean it that way, but Is he still a player?

Does he compete at all anymore.

I've got an ancient motherboard with his name on it and for some stupid reason a backwards PCI slot for a included soundcard.

K.O.Kiki · 09-11-2018 6:10pm

Varik wrote: »

Don't mean it that way, but Is he still a player?

Does he compete at all anymore.

I've got an ancient motherboard with his name on it and for some stupid reason a backwards PCI slot for a included soundcard.

Looking at his Twitter feed, he just won... a 4v4 competitive mobile shooter? :pac:

He stopped competing seriously years ago though.
Vo0 made a comeback last year but apparently Fatal1ty told him he won't come back for 1v1.

TerrorFirmer · 09-11-2018 6:54pm

For a time they literally stamped that 'Fatal1ty' branding on anything going.

I remember at one point seeing an expensive 8500GT 'Fatal1ity' edition that cost more than a cheap 8600GT and was about half the speed.

jebidiah · 10-11-2018 12:22pm

Quick question, I was watching one of Panjo's YouTube videos on optimizing Windows 10. Most of stuff I have done already, but I did make some of the changes he suggested.

One thing I was curious about, when I got my Ryzen 5 1600, most forums said to use the Ryzen Balanced power plan even if overclocking the CPU. Does this even make sense? If I have the OC set to 3.8 is it running that on all cores all the time? Should I be using high performance instead?

Cuddlesworth · 11-11-2018 10:21am

jebidiah wrote: »

Quick question, I was watching one of Panjo's YouTube videos on optimizing Windows 10. Most of stuff I have done already, but I did make some of the changes he suggested.

Christ, 90% of that video is such a load of ****e.

Serephucus · 11-11-2018 1:13pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Christ, 90% of that video is such a load of ****e.

"Make Windows run faster!"

*disables everything*

jebidiah · 11-11-2018 3:34pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Christ, 90% of that video is such a load of ****e.

Care to elaborate?

god's toy · 11-11-2018 7:58pm

Serephucus wrote: »

"Make Windows run faster!"

*disables everything*

Reminds me of the 'How to get days of battery life out of your smartphone' threads ... In short, turn it into a dumb phone.

Serephucus · 11-11-2018 8:28pm

He's got a bunch of "Dramatically increase your FPS in [x game]" videos. Didn't watch any, given his Windows one, but I'm assuming it's "turn everything to lowest, possibly edit an ini file or two to make this look even more ****".

PopePalpatine · 11-11-2018 9:04pm

Reminds me of my days trying to play rFactor on a laptop with Intel HD 4000 graphics.

TerrorFirmer · 11-11-2018 9:42pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Reminds me of my days trying to play rFactor on a laptop with Intel HD 4000 graphics.

Years ago a friend of mine used to play Dawn of War on the integrated graphics of a single core Celeron....at lowest settings, it used to drop to single digit FPS during intense battles.

I don't know how people do it to themselves!

Cuddlesworth · 12-11-2018 10:30am

jebidiah wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

What impact do you think the following have on gaming in Windows 10?

Turning off windows features like
Notifications, Snap Too, Remote Desktop, Background Images, Maps, Game DVR, Diagnostics, Graphical features for windows desktop, Startup programs
And other "enhancements" like,
Manually setting the number of cores
GUI booting and timeout options
Balanced or Higher Power plans
Changing the Network Throttling registry edit(bonus marks for the person who can tell me what that actually does, I have a pretty good idea what it is)
Bunch of other registry settings around priority and scheduling.
Deleting temp files
Core parking
Running CCcleaner.
TimerResolution
SFC scannow

Go ahead, run some benchmarks before and after. Sets of 5. See how much improvement you get. Should be about the same.

jebidiah · 12-11-2018 11:48am

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

What impact do you think the following have on gaming in Windows 10?

Turning off windows features like
Notifications, Snap Too, Remote Desktop, Background Images, Maps, Game DVR, Diagnostics, Graphical features for windows desktop, Startup programs
And other "enhancements" like,
Manually setting the number of cores
GUI booting and timeout options
Balanced or Higher Power plans
Changing the Network Throttling registry edit(bonus marks for the person who can tell me what that actually does, I have a pretty good idea what it is)
Bunch of other registry settings around priority and scheduling.
Deleting temp files
Core parking
Running CCcleaner.
TimerResolution
SFC scannow

Go ahead, run some benchmarks before and after. Sets of 5. See how much improvement you get. Should be about the same.

No need to get snarky mate, I was just looking for an explanation from someone who appears to know more than my self.

Of all the things you listed, actually I am 100% confident that turning off game DVR does increase performance in some games... When it first came out my FPS is csgo suddenly dropped to the 60's/70's from well over 100. Turning it off immediately sorted that. Maybe it has been better optimized since, but I always make sure it's turned off anyway.

Over all this guide was for windows optimization, so turning off start up programs that you don't use makes sense?

And turning off and Windows' fancy graphical features has been done for years to speed up the OS, no? The rest of it I don't understand. And so didn't do to my computer.

K.O.Kiki · 24-11-2018 1:35am

AMD Launches Limited Edition Ryzen MAX CPU Bundles

Decent enough.

K.O.Kiki · 25-11-2018 12:00am

wotzgoingon · 04-12-2018 10:36pm

New Zen 2 leaks from Jim over at AdoredTV.

If true these Ryzen 3000 series will be some CPU's hitting the magical 5GHz on boost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdsTBsH-rI

Mr Crispy · 04-12-2018 10:43pm

The chiplets design really looks like it'll pay off.

wotzgoingon · 04-12-2018 10:51pm

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

The chiplets design really looks like it'll pay off.

It does alright. I still have to laugh at the white paper Intel brought out when first gen EPYC was released stating glued together and what are they doing themselves bringing out a glued together server chip.

It's amazing the possibilities and significant cost saving that can be done with a chiplet design. All I really want to know is how is the latencies. First gen Ryzen had it bad well relitively speaking(compared to Intel) and they lowered it with Zen+ so all we can do is wait and see how Zen 2 is.

Cuddlesworth · 04-12-2018 11:10pm

Jesus, I hope that's true. A 100 quid 6 core part will make it so Intel has no competitive products outside of very high end gaming.

Serephucus · 04-12-2018 11:32pm

Yup, 3600X for me next year.

Finally jumping off my 4790K.
But damn, if a TR 3920X isn't tempting for my server... C'mon ASUS, release the damn X399-WS already!

*If* These leaks are true or near-to, I can't see anyone buying Intel for at least six months.

Venom · 05-12-2018 12:03am

There is another leak floating around regard X570 motherboards supporting PCI 4.0 which if it turns out there true, Intel is in a world of hurt.

wotzgoingon · 05-12-2018 12:18am

Venom wrote: »

There is another leak floating around regard X570 motherboards supporting PCI 4.0 which if it turns out there true, Intel is in a world of hurt.

I'd say that is 100% true. Especially since EYPC 7nm and so are Vega 7nm supporting the standard not that those two products are for consumers but if the standard is ready why not release products compatible.

will56 · 05-12-2018 12:10pm

Serephucus wrote: »

Yup, 3600X for me next year.

Finally jumping off my 4790K.
But damn, if a TR 3920X isn't tempting for my server... C'mon ASUS, release the damn X399-WS already!

*If* These leaks are true or near-to, I can't see anyone buying Intel for at least six months.

I have to laugh, there is a thread where someone was worried about the obsolescence of the AM4 platform in 2020 !?!

With announcements like this from AMD they're going to do some major hurt to Intels for regular consumer and gamer builds

I haven't upgraded my I7 this year but will definitely be setting aside the cash for Ryzen next year

K.O.Kiki · 05-12-2018 12:41pm

RIP the resale value of my i7-5820K :pac:

If that 3600X is for real though I'll definitely upgrade, extra clockspeed should help with 1440p/144Hz

will56 · 05-12-2018 1:06pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

RIP the resale value of my i7-5820K :pac:

I'm having the same thoughts now, the new AMD chips look like they'll be priced competitively but they'll hurt resale value on current tech

AlmightyCushion · 05-12-2018 1:08pm

will56 wrote: »

I'm having the same thoughts now, the new AMD chips look like they'll be priced competitively but they'll hurt resale value on current tech

I'd rather cheaper new tech, than being able to get a higher price for my old second hand tech.

Venom · 05-12-2018 1:57pm

will56 wrote: »

I have to laugh, there is a thread where someone was worried about the obsolescence of the AM4 platform in 2020 !?!

With announcements like this from AMD they're going to do some major hurt to Intels for regular consumer and gamer builds

I haven't upgraded my I7 this year but will definitely be setting aside the cash for Ryzen next year

One thing to take into account is that while the CPU socket will stay the same, you might need an X570 board to gain any new improvements like PCI-E 4.0 and whatever else AMD has up their sleeve. I believe using an X370 board with second gen Ryzen chip loses the ability to use Store MI and won't have as good ram support as an X470 board. There is also the issue that first and second gen Ryzen boards may not have the VRM's to handle 3 series chips.

TerrorFirmer · 05-12-2018 2:57pm

It also really excites me for the console space, current tech is still using the ancient Jaguar based tech, the next refresh using tech based on Ryzen would be an animal and could possibly be the biggest move thus far in bridging the gap. The XB1X has a monster console GPU but limited by the CPU tech.

Also really interested to see what the next gen of APU brings. Sort of the opposite of what I said above, these are starting to bridge the gap between cheap consoles and baseline PC cost for similar/superior experience. That 3600G slapped into a tiny MITX case with fast RAM could be incredible.

The $99 six-core CPU is extremely intriguing too. What I love about options like that is that it massively frees up your budget to go crazy on a GPU if you're looking at 1080p/1440p 60hz gaming.....without having to worry about framedrops and minimum frames like with the i3-8100 or Ryzen 1200.

Cuddlesworth · 05-12-2018 4:18pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

RIP the resale value of my i7-5820K :pac:

If that 3600X is for real though I'll definitely upgrade, extra clockspeed should help with 1440p/144Hz

As a current 5820k owner, that boat sailed when you could pick up new 2600/1700's for 160 quid. I'm sure you will still see 5960x processors looking for 900 quid on ebay though.

I just wish Ram prices would come back down cheaper then what I paid for 3 years ago, I'm due a upgrade.

K.O.Kiki · 05-12-2018 4:43pm

My 5820K clocks higher than most Ryzen 2600 tho :pac:

Skerries · 06-12-2018 10:28am

not Zen talk but if the rumours about the next Navi GPU's are right then that is going to be a big 2 fingers up to Nvidia

https://wccftech.com/amd-rx-3080-3070-3060-navi-gpu-specs-prices-leaked-rtx-2070-gtx-1070-gtx-1060-challengers-at-249-199-129/

Subcomandante Marcos · 06-12-2018 10:48am

Skerries wrote: »

not Zen talk but if the rumours about the next Navi GPU's are right then that is going to be a big 2 fingers up to Nvidia

https://wccftech.com/amd-rx-3080-3070-3060-navi-gpu-specs-prices-leaked-rtx-2070-gtx-1070-gtx-1060-challengers-at-249-199-129/

If those are correct Nvidia will be forced to release a decent card and admit the 20 series was a piss take.

Imagine 1080/2070 performance for €250.

Now of ram prices could sort themselves out we can build good cheap machines again.

wotzgoingon · 06-12-2018 3:37pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

If those are correct Nvidia will be forced to release a decent card and admit the 20 series was a piss take.

Imagine 1080/2070 performance for €250.

Now of ram prices could sort themselves out we can build good cheap machines again.

I don't know if those prices are correct they seem on the low side as Navi is a monolithic GPU and not a chiplet design like Zen 2 so they can not keep the costs down as much as the CPU side of things.

Inviere · 06-12-2018 6:43pm

What's the story with the asymmetrical core/thread count on some of these? The below suggests a 8/12 cpu...is this 6 hyperthreaded cores and two standard cores on the same die?

Then, there's the Ryzen 5 3600X which is again an eight-core, 12-thread processor clocked at 4GHz, with a boost of 4.8GHz, a TDP of 95W and a price of $229 (around £180, AU$320). Both of these could be revealed at CES

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-next-generation-16-core-processors-leaked

AlmightyCushion · 06-12-2018 8:41pm

Inviere wrote: »

What's the story with the asymmetrical core/thread count on some of these? The below suggests a 8/12 cpu...is this 6 hyperthreaded cores and two standard cores on the same die?

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-next-generation-16-core-processors-leaked

No, it's a mistake. It should be 8 core 16 thread. Looks like they have fixed the article.

Canis Lupus · 06-12-2018 9:49pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

If those are correct Nvidia will be forced to release a decent card and admit the 20 series was a piss take.

Imagine 1080/2070 performance for €250.

Now of ram prices could sort themselves out we can build good cheap machines again.

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I don't know if those prices are correct they seem on the low side as Navi is a monolithic GPU and not a chiplet design like Zen 2 so they can not keep the costs down as much as the CPU side of things.

I've decided I'm upgrading my monitor in the post Xmas sales and I'm trying to decide if I should buy into gsync or freesync. This Navi news regarding price is messing with me. Was going to stay green but jeez, tempted to buy a freesync 1440p and gamble the rumours are true.

z0oT · 07-12-2018 9:39pm

The 6 core 4.0GHz/4.6GHz 3600X looks like a pretty sweet deal. Those clk speeds sound credible aswell. It would make a nice upgrade of my 6700k, might finally be worth an upgrade too.

With the 8 core though, I'm not sure I can see the 5GHz turbo panning out so soon. For the last 5/6 years looking at the increments, they tend to be more incremental than that.

BloodBath · 07-12-2018 10:11pm

If these rumours are true then it's a full 7nm AMD build for me next year.

Ryzen 3600X with an RX3080. If those naming conventions are true then it's a big big middle finger to Nvidia. They did the same with Ryzen naming in fairness targeting intel's naming scheme with Ryzen 3, 5, 7 and now 9 as well.

That's pretty much a full high end build possible for under 1k. A big upgrade for me for about €400 after selling old parts although the value of those will probably drop drastically by then. 3770k, 16gb ddr3-2400, good asus board, gtx970, and a h100 should surely still fetch around €300 by then.

I don't know if those prices are correct they seem on the low side as Navi is a monolithic GPU and not a chiplet design like Zen 2 so they can not keep the costs down as much as the CPU side of things.

It's entirely possible. This is a proper 7nm process and they aren't pushing for much higher performance than Vega so the die size should be quite small. Hence the low price and the power consumption.

I'd still expect the good after market versions to be around €50 more and the same price in euro as in dollars so around €300 for a good 3080. Overclocking should be interesting too. Vega overclocked very well but with massive power consumption. These at 7nm and much lower starting power consumption figures should make them good overclockers.

With the 8 core though, I'm not sure I can see the 5GHz turbo panning out so soon. For the last 5/6 years looking at the increments, they tend to be more incremental than that.

Same thing going to 7nm is huge for this. The smaller the process node the higher the clock speeds possible and a jump from 14nm to 7nm is huge. I do find it strange in the specs that the higher core variants had higher boost speeds. It's not normally what you get but maybe they get the better binned chips and that is single core boost only.

yoshiktk · 10-12-2018 11:39am

I'm thinking about going with something like R5 2600 for now, with x470 board, to change for new R5. Could go even more money saver mode if I went for B450.
Are there any information about new mobo chips?

K.O.Kiki · 10-12-2018 12:03pm

No information, just rumours at this stage.
If you want to be sure about motherboard compatibility going forward, take a look at GN/Buildzoid's "Best B450/X470 motherboards" and choose something with good VRM design, as that will be important for multi-core overclocking.

wotzgoingon · 03-01-2019 6:28pm

5GHz Zen who would have known. Jim over at Adoredtv must have good sources. He predicted a fair few things in 2018 including this.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/1546461554308-png.113901/

Venom · 03-01-2019 8:34pm

Adored latest video regarding Ryzen 3, Vega 2 and Navi

A cheap 250 quid AMD card with 2070 level performance would be epic

Cuddlesworth · 03-01-2019 8:36pm

Jesus, a 16 core 24 thread desktop cpu is just a smack in the face to Intel.

Venom · 03-01-2019 8:40pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Jesus, a 16 core 24 thread desktop cpu is just a smack in the face to Intel.

I reckon the top brass in Intel are wearing their brown pants right about now

Not to mention the 3700X runs at the same 5GHZ but with double the cores and threads as Intel's main gaming CPU, the 8700K!

Inviere · 03-01-2019 8:49pm

I'm now holder of a first class ticket on the Ryzen3 hype train...

yoshiktk · 03-01-2019 8:55pm

As an owner of X470 board I want it to be true, we just have to wait for CES and hopefuly we will get some answers then. For now it looks to good to be true.

Venom · 03-01-2019 9:06pm

yoshiktk wrote: »

As an owner of X470 board I want it to be true, we just have to wait for CES and hopefuly we will get some answers then. For now it looks to good to be true.

There are far too many leaks from multiple sources at this stage regarding the Ryzen 3 chips, for them not be pretty outstanding going by the lowest stats leaked to amazingly epic going by the highest. Depending on the X470 boards in question, I reckon the high end and top-tier boards will have beefy enough VRM's to handle the 3 series chips but will probably lack the ability to handle some new features like PCIE 4.0 and even better ram support tho the latter may just require a bios fix.

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