M28 - Cork to Ringaskiddy [advance works pending; 2024 start]

mikeym · 22-11-2020 11:43pm

I think Pj Cogan should be worried about future congestion of Maryborough Hill with all the new housing sprouting up.

AugustusMinimus · 23-11-2020 12:24am

mikeym wrote: »

I think Pj Cogan should be worried about future congestion of Maryborough Hill with all the new housing sprouting up.

That development had direct access to the new interchange being built.

That was until residence went crazy about it. They’ll be the first ones looking for access when they realise what a mistake they’ve made.

Hibernicis · 26-11-2020 11:12pm

mydiscworld wrote: »

So if they do appeal to try to go to supreme court, how long before a hearing? And then a decision? Could be 6+ months yet

It’s very difficult to estimate the timelines. As of today, Mr Justice MacGrath’s order does not appear to have been perfected (signed by a Registrar). This can take anything from days to months. The plaintiffs have 21 days from the date the order is perfected to apply to the Supreme Court for leave to appeal. Assuming that they apply for leave to appeal, the three judge bench of the supreme court will issue a determination (grant or refuse permission for the appeal). These determinations are often (but not always) issued relatively quickly (say 3/4 months). If all of this happens reasonably quickly and leave to appeal is refused, then that is the end of the road for the objections and the project could be reactivated by mid 2021. If on the other hand the appeal is granted, and depending on the complexity of the arguments, it could be 12-24 months before there is a decision. If that were favorable (allowing the M28 to proceed) then we are looking at the project restarting in 2022 or 2023. If it appeal were to be upheld and the EIA has to be redone, then it’s anybody’s guess as to when the project might restart, never mind finish.

Hibernicis · 26-11-2020 11:34pm

https://www.mixcloud.com/LifeBroadcast1/gerard-harrington-from-the-m28-steering-group/?fbclid=IwAR2NSAuWrCivP-HVJt_-mxO6FiNeEN1vuK0NJffPWGAxjYh75MV6li-8v2c

Interview (actually pretty much an unchallenged monologue) on 93.1 Life FM** with Justin Gerard Harrington, Chairman (self appointed) of the M28 Steering Group (also self appointed). Absolutely nothing new in this, same indignant litany that has been rehashed over and over. But interesting that Rafeen Quarry didn’t get a mention given that it formed almost the entire basis for the Judicial Review. There is one hilarious segment where he attempts to explain that their proposal to route traffic from the M8 at Watergrasshill via the M40 (N) to Ballincollig and then on to Cork Airport and finally to Shannonpark roundabout was far more efficient than routing it via the proposed M28 to the “Dead End Junction at Bloomfield”

** for anyone wondering what 93.1 Life FM is here are some details lifted from LifeFM.ie....... At 7am on the 16th of March 2008, LifeFM began to "shine the light of Christ over Cork" for the first time ever. LifeFM broadcasts over Cork City on 93.1FM, providing a broad range of programmes that will inform, challenge and entertain while maintaining Christian values throughout.

L1011 · 26-11-2020 11:46pm

Worth going to the BAI with that about balance. Micro stations think they can get away with basically everything because their listeners are going to be entirely onboard with their stuff; so there are very few complaints.

cantalach · 27-11-2020 12:16am

Hibernicis wrote: »

** for anyone wondering what 93.1 Life FM is here are some details lifted from LifeFM.ie....... At 7am on the 16th of March 2008, LifeFM began to "shine the light of Christ over Cork" for the first time ever. LifeFM broadcasts over Cork City on 93.1FM, providing a broad range of programmes that will inform, challenge and entertain while maintaining Christian values throughout.

Though not the Christian value of honesty, clearly.

KrisW1001 · 27-11-2020 10:37am

In fairness, look where being honest got Jesus...

I really can't see this group being granted a hearing by the Supreme Court. They will of course apply, because the money obviously isn't a problem for them, and they are still convinced that they have a case, despite all contrary evidence.

I hope it gets refused quickly so that work can begin. With Brexit arriving next year, and the prospect of more sea-only routes opening to the continent, port access for trucks will become a much bigger deal than it is at the moment. (This would also put pressure to get M20 done, as it and M28 would create a motorway corridor from Port of Cork right up the West coast to Galway.)

AugustusMinimus · 27-11-2020 11:13am

Have to wonder where the funding is coming from.

They’ve attempted fund raising exercises which resulted in quite poor turnouts. If they are self funding, then it is a very expensive exercise.

Cork Trucker · 27-11-2020 11:13am

I see that Steering Group member Paul Kelleher has passed away suddenly yesterday.

steeler j · 27-11-2020 3:27pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I see that Steering Group member Paul Kelleher has passed away suddenly yesterday.

Wether agree or disagree about the m28 ,it's still very sad ,rip and condolences to his family

Cork Trucker · 29-11-2020 11:50pm

I hope this isn’t fatal, but it’s not looking good. ‘Gruesome’ was one expression used to describe the scene.

https://twitter.com/corksafetyalert/status/1333172041109954568?s=21

mydiscworld · 05-12-2020 5:07pm

Hibernicis wrote: »

It’s very difficult to estimate the timelines. As of today, Mr Justice MacGrath’s order does not appear to have been perfected (signed by a Registrar). This can take anything from days to months. The plaintiffs have 21 days from the date the order is perfected to apply to the Supreme Court for leave to appeal.

Has the order been perfected? That way we'll know when the 21 days expires

Cork Trucker · 05-12-2020 5:44pm

We should know by next Wednesday as the 21 days will be up then I think

blindsider · 05-12-2020 6:49pm

Question re timelines:

If (When?) the green light is given to build the M28, how long to the start of construction, and what's the estimated completion time?

Thanks.

AugustusMinimus · 05-12-2020 7:13pm

blindsider wrote: »

Question re timelines:

If (When?) the green light is given to build the M28, how long to the start of construction, and what's the estimated completion time?

Thanks.

God. Would have to go through the entire rendering process.

Hibernicis · 05-12-2020 9:14pm

mydiscworld wrote: »

Has the order been perfected? That way we'll know when the 21 days expires

I've been keeping an eye on the High Court Search website and as as of now there is no indication that the Order has been perfected. (The website can lag by a few days). Note that the 21 day clock doesn't start running until that happens.

Based on the way the way the Judicial Review was approached my guess is that a petition to the Supreme Court is almost inevitable. They have been building up to this for some time. I would dearly love to know who is bankrolling this.

Hibernicis · 05-12-2020 9:16pm

blindsider wrote: »

Question re timelines:

If (When?) the green light is given to build the M28, how long to the start of construction, and what's the estimated completion time?

Thanks.

This was discussed previously. From memory I think it is 3-4 years from the project getting the nod to completion - something like 12-18 months for CPOs, tendering etc and 24-30 months for construction. Thats assuming that no other intervening variables appear along the way.

mydiscworld · 09-12-2020 1:35pm

If there a way to see on Courts website if an appeal has been lodged?

Or will we just wait for a Facebook steering group announcement

Hibernicis · 15-12-2020 1:57am

High Court Search page has just been updated to show that the case is up For Mention today (15th December)

Cork Trucker · 15-12-2020 10:00am

Hibernicis wrote: »

High Court Search page has just been updated to show that the case is up For Mention today (15th December)

Is that good or bad?

rebs23 · 15-12-2020 10:06am

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Is that good or bad?

Fingers crossed! What a disaster of a system that planning takes so long and then you can go on a legal merry go round which seems never ending.

Cork Trucker · 15-12-2020 11:16am

rebs23 wrote: »

Fingers crossed! What a disaster of a system that planning takes so long and then you can go on a legal merry go round which seems never ending.

And all free of charge realistically. These type of applications need their own dedicated court or taken out of the system altogether and be presided over by the likes of a retired judge.

mydiscworld · 18-12-2020 12:07pm

Hibernicis wrote: »

High Court Search page has just been updated to show that the case is up For Mention today (15th December)

What was the outcome of this?

Cork Trucker · 18-12-2020 12:24pm

mydiscworld wrote: »

What was the outcome of this?

I don't know myself, but the steering group have nothing on their page, hopefully that is a positive sign for those of us in favour of the project

Hibernicis · 18-12-2020 7:32pm

Hibernicis wrote: »

High Court Search page has just been updated to show that the case is up For Mention today (15th December)

Finally !!!

The High Court Search page has been updated to show that the Order refusing Leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal, which was made by Mr Justice MacGrath on 17th November 2020, was perfected (signed) by the High Court Registrar on 16th December 2020. Therefore the 21 day window in which an Appeal to the Supreme Court can be lodged starts on the 16th December 2020. Note that the Supreme Court can extend this window in exceptional circumstances.

Order and Listing tabs from the High Court Search attached.

blindsider · 18-12-2020 8:54pm

21 days would suggest 'calendar days' .....do Bank/Public Holidays count?

If not 05/01/21 looks like the 21st day.....

kub · 18-12-2020 9:50pm

blindsider wrote: »

21 days would suggest 'calendar days' .....do Bank/Public Holidays count?

If not 05/01/21 looks like the 21st day.....

With any bit of luck now we might at last get some good news in the new year that at long last this project can begin.

Limerick74 · 18-12-2020 11:12pm

Crazy decision by the Board. Houses will be built along the CPO fence line.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40192419.html

prunudo · 18-12-2020 11:51pm

Limerick74 wrote: »

Crazy decision by the Board. Houses will be built along the CPO fence line.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40192419.html

You'd have to wonder about abp's decision process sometimes.

mydiscworld · 19-12-2020 5:28pm

Hibernicis wrote: »

Finally !!!

The High Court Search page has been updated to show that the Order refusing Leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal, which was made by Mr Justice MacGrath on 17th November 2020, was perfected (signed) by the High Court Registrar on 16th December 2020. Therefore the 21 day window in which an Appeal to the Supreme Court can be lodged starts on the 16th December 2020. Note that the Supreme Court can extend this window in exceptional circumstances.

Order and Listing tabs from the High Court Search attached.

Considering how long this has been going on, it's ridiculous they delayed signing the order for a full month

M28 - Cork to Ringaskiddy [advance works pending; 2024 start]

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