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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    For the first time in a while I agree with the government and it's ministers. In effect the cabinet have said that RTÉ need to reform and look at their cost base, before they begin to consider meeting their demands for more money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Paywalled but I kinda get the idea - About feckin time.

    Catherine also kicked the direct funding to touch as well a good while back -

    Catherine Martin, the minister in charge of media, said government will be adopting 49 of the 50 Commission’s recommendations, but wants an “alternative approach” to the Commission’s recommendation on a new funding model.

    Minister Martin explained: “Key among the report’s recommendations is reforming and enhancing the TV licence. The government has decided that in order to maintain a direct link between media and the public they serve, and to minimise the risk of actual or perceived political interference in media independence, the TV licence will be maintained but overhauled.

    That bold bit ^ was always why direct Exchequer funding could never be a runner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,989 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The luvvies at rte will not like that one bit.

    Being told they are getting paid plenty already and to do more with it.

    They'll not be able to waste it like they usually do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Well just in the last few months they've blown 80k on the Autumn launch, spent a huge (unknown) amount tarting up the Radio 1 studios and the icing on the cake, the massive amount burnt on the TSTM.

    Lets just be grateful the MI crew weren't sent over to Davos for the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    TBH I like that they improved their sets in the Radio News Room... however the money would have been better spent improving their output on the News Channel.

    I also notice that some of Fair City actors refused to sign contracts. RTÉ new the issue surrounding those contractors, and waited until contracts were due to be signed!

    I am not a regular viewer of RTÉ News can anyone tell me if they have heard or seen any of their correspondents on the air? I see Reynold's is about and most of the local correspondents, but see little from the others.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Has RTÉ ever been involved or funded any part of an Irish Oscar success story?

    TG4's CINE4 (which has co-funding from the Screen Ireland and the BAI) shows TG4's flexibility, I'd hope that if either of the co-sponsors decide to drop out of the project that TG4 would consider continuing it even if it is in a smaller scale. I am not sure how much each funding partner put into, perhaps TG4 put in little and almost all of the funding comes from SI and the BAI, it is however commission through TG4, so its TG4's team.

    Just to rephrase RTÉ's statement on TSTM and relate it to TG4 funding of CINE4: -

    TG4 is very proud to be supporting and investing in Irish creative and cinematic talent, writers, composers, actors, producers, directors, designers and all the production and technical specialists. In total, between the creative team, cast, and crew this film is giving employment to over 100 people during its production, in addition to distributors and marketing team.

    We are all too aware of how few opportunities there are in Ireland to work on projects of this scale and ambition. We feel very fortunate to be able to offer that opportunity to such a young and talented, almost fully Irish, team. TG4 supports the arts in many ways, but perhaps the most practical way is in creating meaningful creative opportunities and pathways for new talent.

    We are also delighted to be bringing a new, original, and uniquely Irish film to Irish audiences to sit alongside the international film productions which routinely come to the country. While Irish audiences certainly love the best films from Disney, Film4 and Hollywood we wanted to offer audiences a show that is rooted here – part of our culture and our imagination, but also with comparable ambition and production values. To do that requires investment in development and in talent and a willingness to take a multi-annual view on a return. It also requires a willingness to take some risk – creative projects, much like musicals and films, are always a risk.

    Yesterday at TG4's support paid off by achieving an Oscar nomination, having already achieved international and national critical acclaim. Go and see for yourself.

    Can you imagine what Dee Forbes and RTÉ would be saying all of yesterday had they been involved. It would be wall to wall RTÉ this RTÉ that RTÉ RTÉ RTÉ RTÉ.

    This is there stance on a failure image how up their own arses they'd be on a success.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,670 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    They're too busy hanging on the coattails of other broadcasters shows like Normal People



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    The government are having it both ways tho, when RTE tried to close Lyric FM's Limerick base and Longwave, the government bullied them into reversing those decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,477 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why shouldn't the government have a say in how a taxpayer funded organisation uses those funds...?

    The savings from those two things would have been paltry anyway and (a bit like closing the Vatican embassy) were meant to send a statement rather than actually address the large financial problems.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I would disagree with this analysis. I actually believe it is RTÉ who are bullying the government.

    Take your Lyric FM example.

    1. It starts with Prime Time being used to highlight that RTÉ could close Lyric FM completely (something that the report should have pointed out was unlikely to happen because RTÉ would need to get permission from the Minister, no minister would have agreed)
    2. Over the next week, or so, RTÉ downplay it to "well we might have to close the Lyric FM studio" (I was in the Oireachtas as TD and Sentor from Limerick came into tell RTÉ that this cannot happen)
    3. Then the government had an emergency meeting and a Dail debate was organized Dec 2019, which lead to Minister Bruton giving RTÉ an extra €10m in funding every year over the next 5 years.
    4. In 2020 RTÉ reduced funding to Lyric FM by around €500,000 while increasing funding to an ever declining 2FM (RTÉ have funding 2FM from the licence fee since 2011, or so, previously it was self-sufficient something RTÉ were all to proud to announce).
    5. All of this is along with, the return of funding to TG4 from the licence fee in 2019 worth an additional ~€8m to RTÉ per year, the move of the NSO in 2022 worth a saving of €8m per year to RTÉ (which should have happened in 2021 but for some apparent reason didn't happen).
    6. That's an additional €26m that RTÉ will have in 2023, because of their strategic Begging Bowl (they also got an their Social Welfare money returned, not sure how much that was worth).
    7. And then they go and fund a Theatrical Musical, can you imagine if either Screen Ireland, the BAI or TG4 did this?
    8. My point is that RTÉ would be shouting it from the roof tops at their success at the Oscars and they would use it to build the idea for an increase in funding. Something TG4 is doing but its not getting as much air time as poor old ... ikell RTÉ, awh the poor ikle baba can't Plan, it just can't, no,it can't, here's €160 for you, here you go, yes you do.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭Karppi


    That is a brilliant analysis of what's going on. Thank you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Saturday night- Lines are now closed….. yeah, that’s because it was originally broadcast in April 2022…..

    Pr1cks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Has Keith Barry ever updated his magic tricks? He's been doing the same magic act for, God, it must be 20 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,670 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    He has to wait for someone else to come out with something new so he can copy it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    The Masked Magician has exposed every magic trick he does, and that was in the 90s. And they're all up on youtube.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I was hoping he'd guess correct each time which box the €250,000 was in each week on Deal or No Deal. It's amazing what the right presenter can do to a dull programme, and how a dull person can make it even duller.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,477 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Who in the name of jaysus would watch that crap never mind a repeat of it?

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Yay great to see someone making a few Bob ching-ching baby💶💶💶💶💶💶💶Agency representing Ryan Tubridy and Dermot Bannon sees profits double

    ENTERTAINMENT

    Agency Representing Ryan Tubridy And Dermot Bannon Sees Profits Double

    NK Management is led by chief executive Noel Kelly.


    31/01/2023 | 16:56 PM


    Post-tax profits at the management agency representing a host of stars from Irish TV and radio more than doubled last year.


    NK Management represents broadcasters Pat Kenny, Ryan Tubridy, Dermot Bannon, Claire Byrne and Joe Duffy.


    The business is led by chief executive Noel Kelly.


    New accounts for Mr Kelly's Cleary Consultancy Ltd show the firm recorded post-tax profits of €404,085 in the 12 months to the end of March last year.


    This was more than double the post-tax profits of €191,339 in the prior year.


    The 60-year-old Mr Kelly shuns the limelight but is one of the best-known names in the Irish broadcasting industry, and is often tasked by his clients to negotiate new contracts on their behalf with RTÉ.


    In a rare press interview a number of years ago, Mr Kelly said: "I'm not interested in the limelight. I like the fact that I can get on the Luas and nobody knows who I am or what I do."



    Mr Kelly has also served as a long-time director on the board of Adi Roche’s Chernobyl Children’s Project International charity.


    The NK Management website says the talent management agency has 25 years experience "at the forefront of connecting talent and brands with global audiences".



    The firm’s client list reads like a who’s who of Irish celebrities, including Dave Fanning, Matt Cooper, Ivan Yates, Baz Ashmawy, Niall Quinn, Kian Egan and Dermot Whelan.


    Others include Doireann Garrihy, Kathryn Thomas, Catriona Perry and Sonia O’Sullivan. Mr Kelly also represented the late Gerry Ryan and today represents the broadcaster’s daughter and 2FM presenter, Lottie Ryan.


    The firm had no comment to make on the accounts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Pretty disgusting really. That's a post-tax figure and while it's not a massive amount in the grand scale of things, it does mean it would be after salaries/expenses which could be and probably are massive. All paid for by us - that's our money sitting there, unnecessarily facilitated mainly by RTE and to a lesser extent, Bauer/VM

    The little entertainment cartel rolls on making many multimillionaires off the the backs of the public suckers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I wonder if his agent is Noel Kelly? How else does one explain the many prolific chances he got?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Maybe people should recognise him so...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    My internet's been schizophrenic the last week or so, so didn't have access to netflix or other streaming services. Got stuck watching TLLS Eurosong thing... good god, I genuinely lost my mind during it. (Wanted to put on a Blu Ray or dvd, but got outvoted).

    Bad would be entertaining, for all the wrong reasons. This was horrendous. The only joy I could find was when my Sky box cut out (happens when the internet is being dodgy) during the Eurovision 'medley'... I just cracked up laughing, even the Sky Q box was like 'Screw this muck-I quit!'.

    And the nadir on the absolute diarrhea cake that this show now represents was Lottie Ryan (with some really dodgy looking 'cosmetic' procedures' that were distracting) and Jedward now judging Jonny Rotten... you couldn't write a worse script, but then fiction has to make sense...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I only saw clips of it and noped out. Did see the recap with the voting numbers and I didn't take to any of them, most sounded so... bad. And yeah, that wan looked like a bad CGI puppet. Horrible looking, and that's not a good at her looks, just all that plastic crap on her face. No idea what she actually looks like because of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    There was a genuinely noticable issue with the sound mix. Oft times, you'd hear the music, but not the vocals. I know Jonny Rotten's song, for all the ten seconds I heard of it, was really bad. But then when I was trying to hear the 'Connolly' lass singing, I genuinely had trouble hearing her vocals.

    Genuinely, the most excited the audience got was when Ryan announced he was giving away a hamper of peanut butter to everyone in the audience. I've noped out of watching the LLS so often. The one time I got stuck watching it, it had taken a turn far, far, far further down the toilet. They even brought on Niamh Kavanagh as 'eurovision royalty'... yeah, she won it once 30 years ago, but they sent her out to eurovision a few years back, and she didn't even qualify for the main event ... she's no Jonny Logan, just saying.

    Then they brought on a woman who 'had the name Eimear Quinn'... but wasn't the Eimear Quinn who won the Eurovision all those years ago.

    Lottie was there presenting a 'behind the scenes/ Green Room/ kinda deal... but that was pointless, because we saw the acts were sitting off to the side, where Marty Whelan was interviewing them... there were points where the audience 'should' have been clapping along to the 'Euromedley', and it cut to the audience, then swiftly cut away when you saw the 'Springtime for Hitler' reactions on their faces, and only one person clapping. Audio mix there was pretty bad too. Twitter was having a field day with 'what has Lottie done to her face?' questions.

    The Valentines Day show is on next week. Just a fair warning, because as bad as the Eurosong show was, the Valentines Day one is far, far worse. I'll genuinely just sit in a dark room and avoid everything if the broadband is down that night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Bit harsh on Niamh Kavanagh.

    Anyone who actually won it is Eurovision Royalty.

    Besides she is a nice woman.

    As for the show I gave up after PIL it's just not my cup of tea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    True on that first point. But many who do remember her, will remember her from her last attempt-where she didn't win.

    I can't vouch for what she's like as a person, only know her from tv.

    It's not my cup of tea either. But had no choice. At least twitter kept me amused, tho that used up my phone data.



  • Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭SecretsOfEarth


    Much as I agree on the points about the show being a general shambles, you're wrong about Niamh Kavanagh. She did qualify for the final in 2010, our first qualification since 2007 (which was only automatic due to performing well in 2006) when Dervish bombed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    The Late Late Show line up for Friday... Jesus...

    Remember when WWN posted this article, and everyone in RTE had a conniption when they clearly hadn't read the article?

    He's just lost the will to host the show now... not even trying. And those guests get paid to appear on the show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I agree about Niamh Kavanagh, TBH no one remembers they song she lost with. She has a great voice and it was a great song that she won with.

    The production was all-in-all dreadful for the show, RTÉ should be ashamed at how badly it was produced. It was a complete and utter mess. I didn't watch the Valentine's Special, from twitter I saw bits but it looked as bad as ever.

    I don't understand RTÉ's obsession will Lottie Ryan, and I mean this not to offend Lottie it is just a criticism, but why exactly is she in RTÉ, she gets no additional feedback. It seems she's just been told to sit in front of the mic or the camera and start talking. She a typical person who would say "Sure anyone could do that" and they you realize actually very few people can present and you need practice. She's just shoehorned in to everything she does. Her role on 2FM, to come on different shows and babble on about Entertainment news. She'd be lucky if she was able to be a Continuity Announcer.

    And then there is 2FM, no improvement in listernship, but sure give it 5 years.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    What can I add, great voice, lovely person and won Eurovision.

    Not a bad CV.

    Like I said I only watched up to PIL.

    As for Valentines night I meant not to watch it but ended up seeing first 20 minutes.

    The best I can say is that they all seemed to be happy and enjoying themselves.

    I don't listen to LR on radio and hardly ever see her on TV.

    She seems enthusiastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Maybe I have become so unenthused, and she is probably not doing anything that I am interested in, she also does something with DWTS.

    Oddly kind of liked PIL song, he dedicated it to his wife is suffering from Alzheimer, the song that won won't win Eurovision but not sure if it will even get to final. But TLLS should be retired for EuroSong.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I don't think she inherited that natural talent that her late father had.

    I never watched DWTS but was waiting for something else and ended up watching about 20 minutes of the first show this year.

    I had always avoided it but I thought the bit I saw was well done.

    JL did a nice job given the limitations of his voice and it was quite touching.

    Maybe a separate show for Euro Song do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    DWTS is a well produced show, I have no really problem with it, as I have said as long as RTÉ are producing TV I am happy but they have cut back so much with very little thought.

    IMO Gay Byrne and Jerry Ryan were the only to real personalities that RTÉ ever had. Yes they both had the problems but they both brought in that audience. We won't see the likes of them again. Jerry Ryan held up 2FM on his own though the 2000s IMO, 2FM would have been gone 10 years before if he had moved to another broadcaster. I believe GB and JR are the only 2 RTÉ really can say this about.

    Agree with you on JL's voice.

    Definitely. Euro Song needs its own show, though the last one was hosted by Ray D'Arcy and Dustin was sent to Europe!

    https://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/2889-eurovision/699191-dustin-the-turkey-chosen-as-eurovision-entry/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I suppose poor old Ray gets blamed for everything else so you might as well hang that one on him too 🙂



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Old Ray ain't poor, tight as tuppence that lad, every euros a prisoner with that fella😉



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    I saw Ray drop a €2 coin once and, when he bent down to pick it up, it hit him on the back of the neck.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,508 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    "I don't understand RTÉ's obsession will Lottie Ryan, and I mean this not to offend Lottie it is just a criticism, but why exactly is she in RTÉ, she gets no additional feedback."

    The clue is in her surname.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,670 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Talentless individuals who live on the family name - like most politicians also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Not to mention that her agent could get a 9" cavity block a slot in RTE with an €80k pa salary



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Seemed like a well produced show, I think it was produced from Limerick.

    I'd be surprised if he is still not on €450,000 for 2020 and 2021, perhaps a drop in 2021 but if his contract is like PKs he would have got a 5 year bonus for staying in the contract. Which he most likely got in 2020.

    RTÉ have said that they would publish 2020 and 2021 figures ... soon ... though they also said that they would publish 2020 in 2022 but they've missed that. I'd say they will wait for Dee Forbes to go before publishing them, so Dee and Moya head of into the sunlight with no real criticism of their time at RTÉ.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So, that dude is back, about that stuff you know, up in court, don't say anything but ...

    The thing is ...reading twitter about it all, a tweeter pointed out that he's the only Irish Well Known Male Broadcaster that is 39, not saying that it is who we think it is but...

    It just shows how RTÉ and other broadcasters have not developed many personalities meaning you can almost with certain identify the person in question... not that we will or would here on boards.

    Another twitter user says ... The only famous 39 year old ?... prob no but he, whomever he is, fits the desciption ... if it is not him it is a bit it a huge embarrassment for him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly



    note that Finucane and O'Rourke make up most of the 16% decrease or 686,001 v a reduction of 506,333, that's not really a decrease.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,508 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Is the Byrne there Claire Byrne? Lol, host a joke of a current affairs show, then quit it, here's an extra 100k.

    At least they managed to give D'Arcy a haircut, 300k still a serious overpayment for his 'skills' though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,477 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I wasn't sure for a sec if that was listeners or money!

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Derek Mooney was getting the same listeners while also presenting Winning Streak. I don't think he ever reach €200,000 per year while on the list of top 10 paid in RTÉ. You'd really wonder was The Ray D'Arcy Show on Saturday night worth €150,000?

    I believe that there are others working for Indo producers getting just as much as many of RTÉ direct contractors and staff.

    Dermot Bannon, Katherine Thomas, Mairead Ronan to name a few.

    I remain surprised that Donacha O'Callaghan has not appear so far in the list considering his role on both 2FM and Ireland's Fittest Family. I'd also expect that the 2 presenters of DWTS should show up, and Jenny Z should have been their in 2021. Are both being paid through the production company?

    3 presenters left RTÉ last year, all of them seem to be just floating on air, either they were well paid or they all came into some money. I can't imagine many people being able at 40 to be made redundant and not continue to work for a year or so, or even to risk moving country.

    I remain convinced that much of this is the tip of the iceberg.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So there was a report in the Sindo outlining Ian Keogh's concerns for RTÉ finances... he's now tips for the DGs job... he's been on the board for 5 years and now he considers kicking up a fuss?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Hotel California innit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Hopefully with Linda Ronstadt on reception 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,261 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I'd love to know what RTÉ executives actually think about, I am sure they are doing something, but do they think. Do they realize that by cutting funding to Children's and Drama much of their programme sales are depleted?


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