Man shoots dead neighbour in Co. Mayo

walshb · 21-09-2019 3:32pm

Insanity is as muddy as mud!

LeVaterIzVet · 21-09-2019 3:33pm

walshb wrote: »

Insanity is a muddy as mud!

What?

walshb · 21-09-2019 3:35pm

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

What?

Defining it, agreeing on it etc etc...claiming it...

Forever used as a red herring...

LeVaterIzVet · 21-09-2019 3:38pm

walshb wrote: »

Defining it, agreeing on it etc etc...claiming it...

Forever used as a red herring...

The defences are there for a reason. It's for the jury to decide whether or not they're being "used as a red herring".

walshb · 21-09-2019 3:42pm

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

The defences are there for a reason. It's for the jury to decide whether or not they're being "used as a red herring".

Juries are lay people...

It’s common knowledge regarding insanity and how persons argue it, interpret it and throw it around every which way. Highly qualified psychiatrists agreeing and disagreeing depending on what “side” they’re on...

LeVaterIzVet · 21-09-2019 3:49pm

walshb wrote: »

Juries are lay people...

It’s common knowledge regarding insanity and how persons argue it, interpret it and throw it around every which way. Highly qualified psychiatrists agreeing and disagreeing depending on what “side” they’re on...

True in regard to a 'mental disorders' not included in the act, but dementia is specifially included in Section 1. If the doctors find that he is actually in the early stages of dementia, it will be available to him.

Sac O Spuds · 21-09-2019 3:50pm

Havent read all the posts on this but here's my take on the incident.
Several years ago AGS changed the licensing arrangements for firearms. I have a single barrel shotgun on a restricted licence for game and vermin control on my own farm only. When the new arrangements came in, the local sergeant gave me the necessary paperwork to fill out and told me how to fill it out. He warned me however under no circumstances to put down personal protection or security as a reason for requiring a firearm.
When I asked why he said it was grounds for refusal and I'd have to dispose of the gun as the licence would not be issued.
I know of a few instances where guns have been produced to ward off people. The Gardai were informed of the incident and the first thing they did was confiscate the firearm. It is an offence in this country to brandish a legally held firearm (even unloaded)in any way to threaten anyone. Shotguns and rifles are for game hunting, vermin control and target practice on ranges only. Use it as a form of personal protection I guarantee it will be confiscated permanently.

AulWan · 21-09-2019 3:56pm

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

Dementia is included under the definition of a 'mental illness' under the 2006 Act, meaning that the defence is open to him.

I never said dementia wasn't a mental illness. And if he is in the early stages then it's mild, and would hardly merit the definition of "insane" which is considered extreme mental illness.

It would be getting him off on a technicality.

I would never refer to someone with dementia as "insane", even in the late stages, and frankly I think thats disgusting.

John_Rambo · 21-09-2019 5:10pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

My village must be one in a million so going by what you said, the local shop is doing grand and nobody has abondoned the area, in fact any house that comes up for sale is snapped up immediately.

What's the village GalwayGuy? Is it a tourist village? Because it's bucking the trend and I'm glad it is. Meanwhile, small Irish towns are suffering badly with lots of closures, I'm very surprised you haven't heard of this, it's widely documented in mainstream media and there has been great upset with the closure of Post Offices and pubs throughout the country.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/enniscorthyguardian/news/report-that-rural-ireland-is-dying-is-hardly-a-shock-but-what-will-be-done-37591439.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/small-irish-towns-suffering-long-drawn-out-decline-report-finds-1.3714987

LeVaterIzVet · 21-09-2019 5:15pm

AulWan wrote: »

I never said dementia wasn't a mental illness. And if he is in the early stages then it's mild, and would hardly merit the definition of "insane" which is considered extreme mental illness.

It would be getting him off on a technicality.

I would never refer to someone with dementia as "insane", even in the late stages, and frankly I think thats disgusting.

Nobody is calling him insane? You obviously have no idea about what you're talking about. The defence of insanity is not exclusively reserved for people who are 'insane'.

I said IF he is found to have dementia, the DEFENCE OF INSANITY will be available to him. Dementia is a 'mental disorder' which is SPECIFICALLY DEFINED under the Insanity Act. Nobody is making this personal, everything that I've said is facts-based. You're the one spouting your opinions.

AulWan · 21-09-2019 5:31pm

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

Nobody is calling him insane? You obviously have no idea about what you're talking about. The defence of insanity is not exclusively reserved for people who are 'insane'.

I said IF he is found to have dementia, the DEFENCE OF INSANITY will be available to him. Dementia is a 'mental disorder' which is SPECIFICALLY DEFINED under the Insanity Act. Nobody is making this personal, everything that I've said is facts-based. You're the one spouting your opinions.

Why are they looking for ways to get him off? He shot and killed a man! That is not in dispute.

He is NOT insane, early stage dementia does not excuse for his actions, and he should not be defended on that basis, end off.

Ridiculous, and just more attempts to excuse his wrongdoing.

Jesus, I hope the dead man's family never read this thread, and all the excuses being made for their loved one's killer.

LeVaterIzVet · 21-09-2019 6:01pm

AulWan wrote: »

Why are they looking for ways to get him off? He shot and killed a man! That is not in dispute.

He is NOT insane, early stage dementia does not excuse for his actions, and he should not be defended on that basis, end off.

Ridiculous, and just more attempts to excuse his wrongdoing.

Jesus, I hope the dead man's family never read this thread, and all the excuses being made for their loved one's killer.

Wow you are one stupid individual.

AulWan · 21-09-2019 6:19pm

Far from it. This is not the legal discussions board, it is Current Affairs/IMHO.

I understand that technically the defence of insanity may be available, but "IMHO" even suggesting using it to defend what happened here is disgusting.

You are free to have a different opinion, but I suggest you keep it respectful.

Galwayguy35 · 21-09-2019 8:02pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

What's the village GalwayGuy? Is it a tourist village? Because it's bucking the trend and I'm glad it is. Meanwhile, small Irish towns are suffering badly with lots of closures, I'm very surprised you haven't heard of this, it's widely documented in mainstream media and there has been great upset with the closure of Post Offices and pubs throughout the country.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/enniscorthyguardian/news/report-that-rural-ireland-is-dying-is-hardly-a-shock-but-what-will-be-done-37591439.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/small-irish-towns-suffering-long-drawn-out-decline-report-finds-1.3714987

I never said POs weren't closing, Government policy again in action against rural communities.

The country pub is dying, don't think I mentioned anything about pubs in my previous post but seeing as you brought it up we have 2 here, 1 of them is also a restaurant and is doing well, a fine example of people adapting to the changing times.

Muahahaha · 21-09-2019 8:45pm

GoneHome wrote: »

So you would have no problem letting them rob you or your property, christ you're very understanding

Its not about that, you are saying that you will shoot anyone who comes within 100m of your house at night time. That is simply shooting first and asking questions later. You wrongly assume that anyone approaching your property has to be a burglar. There are a number of people who might be calling to your house after dark, a broken down motorist, an ambulance driver who is lost, a doctor on a house call who is lost, vets looking for a farm and the Gardai investigating a report or a crime. In your scenario you would have shot all those people and then shrugged your shoulders afterwards. There is 40 years in prison for anyone who shoots a Garda dead which is why your logic of shooting strangers first and asking questions later is a really dumb idea.

Graces7 · 22-09-2019 6:50am

AulWan wrote: »

@Graces7, it was posted earlier on the thread by someone who said they were from the locality that the deceased had visited his neighbour earlier that evening, left to go to a protest but forgot his phone. He was calling in on his way back home after the protest to collect it. (unverified).

Yes I saw that. Also on the funeral homily they said his watch ran on different than ordinary time and that he was in the habit of arriving at houses at all times of day and night.

What irks folk is that he shot to ??kill?? not warning shots in the air. That poor man after the first shot running for his life to his car.. can you imagine?

Graces7 · 22-09-2019 6:56am

AulWan wrote: »

Dementia does not cause insanity. The early stage is quite mild, and would merely manifest as a bit forgetful.

It varies greatly. Forgetfulness will vary and may well cause panic; if he genuinely did not realise it was a friend as his memory had lapsed briefly? Saw a stranger and just panicked, especially if woken from a deep sleep by the dog?

Need not be dementia; ;all of us can get memory lapses; as we age. I certainly do.

They prayed for him at the funeral. Hope he is getting some help and not just stuck out there alone and in grief.

Graces7 · 22-09-2019 7:04am

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its not about that, you are saying that you will shoot anyone who comes within 100m of your house at night time. That is simply shooting first and asking questions later. You wrongly assume that anyone approaching your property has to be a burglar. There are a number of people who might be calling to your house after dark, a broken down motorist, an ambulance driver who is lost, a doctor on a house call who is lost, vets looking for a farm and the Gardai investigating a report or a crime. In your scenario you would have shot all those people and then shrugged your shoulders afterwards. There is 40 years in prison for anyone who shoots a Garda dead which is why your logic of shooting strangers first and asking questions later is a really dumb idea.

agree with you totally. I go to bed very early and occasionally someone arrives unexpectedly. The door is always locked as one of the cats can open it else and as a precaution I lock the big gate which is out of sight of the dwelling ( Small island ; no immediate neighbours) Folk call from the gate and I reply from the window. If they knock at the door having scaled the gate I ask who it is.

There has only been one bad situation; some kind folk who were online at that time may remember it? I called the mainland Gardai who told me to lock the door. And it was dealt with properly then.

Never any need for massive aggression. I had a very loud dog at the time too.

Graces7 · 22-09-2019 7:12am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I never said POs weren't closing, Government policy again in action against rural communities.

The country pub is dying, don't think I mentioned anything about pubs in my previous post but seeing as you brought it up we have 2 here, 1 of them is also a restaurant and is doing well, a fine example of people adapting to the changing times.

On the theme of rural isolation etc. A village I know built ( council ) a curved row of very attractive bungalows with a green in front. Opposite the community centre and church.. So that the outlying old folk, the isolated ones , could come and live there.

They all refused to move! All were more than happy to be in their isolated homes.

So the houses went to young families with children which has helped the school and the green patch is now a playground . The community started a meals on wheels service and a lunch club for the old folk. Gets them out and meeting folk and lovely to have a good home cooked meal.

The Post office closed but that was because it was underused and no one would take it on. There is a nearby shop and a thriving pub that does b and B

yes folk adapt and choose. Thankfully. I am nearly 80 and chose to live here . Lost track of officialdom who seek to imprison me in a town! Because they would not cope out here..I love it and thrive.

Hoboo · 22-09-2019 9:59am

Graces7 wrote: »

agree with you totally. I go to bed very early and occasionally someone arrives unexpectedly. The door is always locked as one of the cats can open it else and as a precaution I lock the big gate which is out of sight of the dwelling ( Small island ; no immediate neighbours) Folk call from the gate and I reply from the window. If they knock at the door having scaled the gate I ask who it is.

There has only been one bad situation; some kind folk who were online at that time may remember it? I called the mainland Gardai who told me to lock the door. And it was dealt with properly then.

Never any need for massive aggression. I had a very loud dog at the time too.

Your isolation on an island isn't the same as someone living 5 miles from a motorway with plenty of exit routes for gangs of scumbags to ransack your house every night.

I'm half your age and male, well able to handle myself one on one. My house is down a very secluded laneway 2km from a motorway, a neighbour up the road had his house ransacked and him in it, tied him up and bet ****e out of him, they even stole the mantlepiece. When I hear the dog bark at night or someone drive by (no business on this lane but my house) I grab the bat beside my bed and I'm awake then for 2 hours.

I'm seriously considering getting a gun, been onto the local gun club and a farmer. I wouldn't have a chance against a load of lads with machetes. I wouldn't leave the house, but if someone came in id have no problem using it.

Galwayguy35 · 22-09-2019 4:07pm

There is a batchelor farmer a few miles away from where I live, his house is up a boreen and he was tied up and robbed but was so afraid he never told anyone.

Few days later the same lads came back and roughed him up again and took what little he had left, this guy is only a bit over 5ft tall and nearly 80, it's a disgrace that someone works hard all their life and in their last few years has to put up with that kind of thing.

AulWan · 22-09-2019 4:24pm

Hoboo wrote: »

When I hear the dog bark at night or someone drive by (no business on this lane but my house) I grab the bat beside my bed and I'm awake then for 2 hours.

I'm seriously considering getting a gun, been onto the local gun club and a farmer. I wouldn't have a chance against a load of lads with machetes. I wouldn't leave the house, but if someone came in id have no problem using it.

You should seriously consider moving, not getting a gun.

I don't understand why anyone would want to live somewhere where they are in constant fear.

BattleCorp · 22-09-2019 6:04pm

AulWan wrote: »

You should seriously consider moving, not getting a gun.

I don't understand why anyone would want to live somewhere where they are in constant fear.

If someone who is afraid living in the country moves into a town, they will be afraid living in the town. The fear won't go away.

Graces7 · 22-09-2019 6:36pm

AulWan wrote: »

You should seriously consider moving, not getting a gun.

I don't understand why anyone would want to live somewhere where they are in constant fear.

It is very hard that it has come to this. but it has. Bringing a gun into the equation is not the answer and while it is very hard to sell up etc? I left the Uk over aggression issues so know how hard it is to do that.

But life and health and peace matter more than a house. And shooting someone and adding to the lawlessness ? A high cost to pay for a house.

Graces7 · 22-09-2019 6:39pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

If someone who is afraid living in the country moves into a town, they will be afraid living in the town. The fear won't go away.

Going to disagree on this from my own experience. I left my home and country over such issues and there is no fear in me here. I litera;lly moved away and am at peace here

This poster's fear is more than understandable. It is not a groundless fear or an innate terror but is based on an actual event too close for comfort.

A shocking situation.

Graces7 · 22-09-2019 6:43pm

Getting back to the thread header... When the Gardaí released the man they described the event as a " tragic accident" and so far there are no charges against him. A file sent to the DPP. Does that mean no charges?

Galwayguy35 · 22-09-2019 6:59pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Getting back to the thread header... When the Gardaí released the man they described the event as a " tragic accident" and so far there are no charges against him. A file sent to the DPP. Does that mean no charges?

I think it's in the DPP's hands now what charges if any will be brought against him.

LuasSimon · 22-09-2019 7:00pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/men-charged-over-mayo-burglaries-4819488-Sep2019/

Even after all that’s happened this week the brazen burglars still terrorize rural Ireland , great to see guards caught this gang , hopefully they get appropriate sentences ...

CrabRevolution · 22-09-2019 7:07pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/men-charged-over-mayo-burglaries-4819488-Sep2019/

Even after all that’s happened this week the brazen burglars still terrorize rural Ireland , great to see guards caught this gang , hopefully they get appropriate sentences ...

Why the rural part? It was established earlier in the thread that Dublin has the most burglaries per capita.

Andrew00 · 22-09-2019 7:18pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/men-charged-over-mayo-burglaries-4819488-Sep2019/

Even after all that’s happened this week the brazen burglars still terrorize rural Ireland , great to see guards caught this gang , hopefully they get appropriate sentences ...

If they do get prison, they'll be out after 8 months on good behaviour

FrankPoll. · 22-09-2019 7:29pm

Andrew00 wrote: »

If they do get prison, they'll be out after 8 months on good behaviour

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/no-bull-cattle-help-garda%C3%AD-round-up-fleeing-burglar-1.3967305?mode=amp

This is one of them from last year

walshb · 22-09-2019 9:21pm

We need tough and severe mandatory sentences..

1st time burglary conviction: 10 years

Aggravated: 25...

2nd time burglary conviction: 20 years

2nd time Aggravated: life..

FrankPoll. · 22-09-2019 10:06pm

walshb wrote: »

We need tough and severe mandatory sentences..

1st time burglary conviction: 10 years

Aggravated: 25...

2nd time burglary conviction: 20 years

2nd time Aggravated: life..

Would need people on the streets to get something done

These guys will be back at at it again and learn from their mistakes

pinkyeye · 22-09-2019 11:04pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In an apartment block some chap/chapette could be mistaken where they were going, in rural Ireland I'd basically shoot to kill after 6pm, no reason for any unannounced randomer to arrive in winter.

You would shoot to kill after 6pm?? I presume this is sarcasm??

If it's not, it's just crazy. :rolleyes:

jmayo · 23-09-2019 3:06pm

CrabRevolution wrote: »

There seems to be a notion that rural burglaries are a worse crime and deserve more focus than urban ones for some reason.

The data only goes up to 2016, but play around with these maps and in every single time period, Dublin has half the burglaries in the state, despite having 30% of the population. http://airo.maynoothuniversity.ie/external-content/recorded-crime-monitoring-tool

Where is this notion that Dublin is some safe haven while rural Ireland is some lawless unprotected free for all coming from?

The thing is I would bet a lot of the burglaries in Dublin are quick get in and out.
After all the guys are often druggies just looking for some quick cash or loot they can pawn to get the next fix.

I have even experienced one myself where the guards reckoned they fled out that back when they heard me arrive back.

Also you can't start tying up residents, beating or torturing them or their loved ones because someone next door might hear and phone the guards.
Now rightly said by poster earlier the guards are not the greatest at responding anywhere, but there is higher likelihood of guards arriving, even armed ones, than say if you are in a house out in countryside.

And if someone arrives at isolated house with nearest neighbour anything from 50 yards to half a mile away, the thieves can tie up the occupants and have hours to play with before anyone is the wiser.

And the occupants don't always have to be old as was seen with that family in Tipperary.

This is what especially adds the fear factor.

And lets be quite frank here, there is a certain section of society that travel around the countryside offering to carry out odd jobs, selling some goods of dubious quality and history who the residents know damn well are scoping out the premises.

The least fear is that they rob somethings from a shed when occupants are away or at night and the biggest fear is someone breaks in demanding money with the threat of severe violence.

It has gotten to a stage in rural areas and indeed in small towns, someone has to guard the house of someone getting married or being buried.

I have even heard story of where a person was found to be scoping out the house of the parents of a dead garda on the day of his state funeral.
That is the type of lowlives we are talking about.

Another thing that urban dwellers don't have to deal with AFAIK is the theft of heating oil and diesel.
There was huge problem with this in rural areas and when some were caught they just got slap on wrist.

John_Rambo · 23-09-2019 3:14pm

jmayo wrote: »

The thing is I would bet a lot of the burglaries in Dublin are quick get in and out.
After all the guys are often druggies just looking for some quick cash or loot they can pawn to get the next fix

In my next door neighbours case they were travellers from the Midlands that had carried out dozens of burglaries stretching from Howth, Sutton, Raheny and Clontarf. They'd beaten a homeowner up in Sutton and another in North County Dublin and got away with 80K in cash from one house!!! :eek:

Nothing reported in mainstream press. Urban burglaries just don't get the coverage and hysteria that rural burglaries get.

John_Rambo · 23-09-2019 3:40pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Same as suggesting rural folk were trigger happy shooting at anyone coming on their property.

But there are actual rural folk logging on here and saying they are happy shooting anyone that comes close to their property.

AulWan · 23-09-2019 4:56pm

jmayo wrote: »

It has gotten to a stage in rural areas and indeed in small towns, someone has to guard the house of someone getting married or being buried.

That's nothing new. My father was buried 35 years ago this week, and one of my cousins volunteered to stay behind in our house while the funeral was ongoing, as it was happening back then. Its also why people are advised not to include complete street addresses in funeral announcements anymore. (Dublin).

bladespin · 23-09-2019 4:59pm

AulWan wrote: »

That's nothing new. My father was buried 35 years ago this week, and one of my cousins volunteered to stay behind in our house while the funeral was ongoing, as it was happening back then. Its also why people are advised not to include complete street addresses in funeral announcements anymore. (Dublin).

Weddings, 21sts too, pretty much any big occasion means someone has to draw the short straw, IP cameras are becoming the go to gadget if you have coverage.

Galwayguy35 · 23-09-2019 7:55pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

But there are actual rural folk logging on here and saying they are happy shooting anyone that comes close to their property.

I'm sure posters are able to answer for themselves but from what I understood they were saying that if someone came to do them harm they would respond.

You'd be a bow and arrow man yourself I'm guessing going by the name:)

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-09-2019 8:16pm

jmayo wrote: »

The thing is I would bet a lot of the burglaries in Dublin are quick get in and out.
After all the guys are often druggies just looking for some quick cash or loot they can pawn to get the next fix.

I have even experienced one myself where the guards reckoned they fled out that back when they heard me arrive back.

Also you can't start tying up residents, beating or torturing them or their loved ones because someone next door might hear and phone the guards.
Now rightly said by poster earlier the guards are not the greatest at responding anywhere, but there is higher likelihood of guards arriving, even armed ones, than say if you are in a house out in countryside.

And if someone arrives at isolated house with nearest neighbour anything from 50 yards to half a mile away, the thieves can tie up the occupants and have hours to play with before anyone is the wiser.

And the occupants don't always have to be old as was seen with that family in Tipperary.

This is what especially adds the fear factor.

And lets be quite frank here, there is a certain section of society that travel around the countryside offering to carry out odd jobs, selling some goods of dubious quality and history who the residents know damn well are scoping out the premises.

The least fear is that they rob somethings from a shed when occupants are away or at night and the biggest fear is someone breaks in demanding money with the threat of severe violence.

It has gotten to a stage in rural areas and indeed in small towns, someone has to guard the house of someone getting married or being buried.

I have even heard story of where a person was found to be scoping out the house of the parents of a dead garda on the day of his state funeral.
That is the type of lowlives we are talking about.

Another thing that urban dwellers don't have to deal with AFAIK is the theft of heating oil and diesel.
There was huge problem with this in rural areas and when some were caught they just got slap on wrist.

A couple of years ago, I was out at home one Monday. Lying on the couch, mid afternoon. Dogs outside. Car drives down the drive and dogs start barking.
I stayed on couch and ignored the horn beeping outside. Few minutes pass and I didn’t hear the car leaving. Dogs still going mad. Out I go, and here’s your man, ethnically protected of course, hanging out of his van shouting at the dogs, they weren’t letting him out of his van. He became a bit flustered when I came out and said he wanted to come over to the door to knock but the dogs wouldn’t let him. “Are they cross” he asked, “they’d eat you” I told him.
So he asks me “is the boss around?” I am the boss. He seemed taken aback. “Where’s the older lady?” There is no older lady. I’m the boss. “Where’s your parents?” Not here. “Where is the older woman?” Now, my mother was dead ten years or so at the time, there was no older woman in the house.
Tried half heartedly to sell me saucepans, I told him to **** off.

No doubt he thought nobody was home and if he could have just got passed the dogs I’ve had no doubt he’d have had a good scope out.

Drifter50 · 23-09-2019 9:32pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Are you not reading the posts Drifter? You're less likely to be burgled in a rural area than in an urban area. Yet you're in bed, wide awake and "petrified" when you hear regular human activities like cars...

Of course you don't "confront" people, leave them be. Talk to a home security company, secure your property, make it safe or face the fact that rural living simply isn't for you.

Here's a link to a well renowned security company.

https://www.securigard.ie/?gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sZLHU0MguLGn7RYP82BfAUoI_55JWPNETX--SN4O48kxrV3LVG5CTRoCHk0QAvD_BwE

Here's a link for grants if you're elderly.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/crime_and_crime_prevention/seniors_alert.html

Sleep well.

Edit... if you're on a farm I appreciate how hard it is to secure sheds, the yard and various outhouses with expensive machinery.

Thanks for the recommendations and I appreciate that but you are missing my point. No-one should be on my property uninvited after dark and late at night. Nothing good is going to come of a stranger wandering around my house. He is trespassing, simply that, he/she have no business being there. Remember this is someone who has come in off the road and wandering about my property. No way no how should they be there and I have a right to keep them off my property. Don`t get where you have this idea to relax and allow people to wander about your own property.

Drifter50 · 23-09-2019 9:37pm

Leighton Acidic Bead wrote: »

A couple of years ago, I was out at home one Monday. Lying on the couch, mid afternoon. Dogs outside. Car drives down the drive and dogs start barking.
I stayed on couch and ignored the horn beeping outside. Few minutes pass and I didn’t hear the car leaving. Dogs still going mad. Out I go, and here’s your man, ethnically protected of course, hanging out of his van shouting at the dogs, they weren’t letting him out of his van. He became a bit flustered when I came out and said he wanted to come over to the door to knock but the dogs wouldn’t let him. “Are they cross” he asked, “they’d eat you” I told him.
So he asks me “is the boss around?” I am the boss. He seemed taken aback. “Where’s the older lady?” There is no older lady. I’m the boss. “Where’s your parents?” Not here. “Where is the older woman?” Now, my mother was dead ten years or so at the time, there was no older woman in the house.
Tried half heartedly to sell me saucepans, I told him to **** off.

No doubt he thought nobody was home and if he could have just got passed the dogs I’ve had no doubt he’d have had a good scope out.

Whats with the saucepans selling. We have this going on in South Leitrim as well, its bizarre if it was`nt so serious

FishOnABike · 23-09-2019 10:11pm

Drifter50 wrote: »

Whats with the saucepans selling. We have this going on in South Leitrim as well, its bizarre if it was`nt so serious

A bit old to be claiming they're looking for a ball they accidentally kicked over the wall so they need some excuse for a look around.

pinkyeye · 23-09-2019 10:42pm

Drifter50 wrote: »

Thanks for the recommendations and I appreciate that but you are missing my point. No-one should be on my property uninvited after dark and late at night. Nothing good is going to come of a stranger wandering around my house. He is trespassing, simply that, he/she have no business being there. Remember this is someone who has come in off the road and wandering about my property. No way no how should they be there and I have a right to keep them off my property. Don`t get where you have this idea to relax and allow people to wander about your own property.

What if that someone is lost, broke down, having a heart attack, have an injured person in their car, looking for help calling an ambulance???

How the fcuk do you get to this level of paranoia???

FrankPoll. · 23-09-2019 11:02pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

What if that someone is lost, broke down, having a heart attack, have an injured person in their car, looking for help calling an ambulance???

How the fcuk do you get to this level of paranoia???

4 Lads down from tallaght with baseball bats and balaclavas on the prowl

Andrew00 · 23-09-2019 11:08pm

6 young lads with machetes and baseball bat's from Limerick hitchhiking the rural scenery in Ireland at 2am

Drifter50 · 23-09-2019 11:13pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

What if that someone is lost, broke down, having a heart attack, have an injured person in their car, looking for help calling an ambulance???

How the fcuk do you get to this level of paranoia???

-Emergency services will all use Eircodes
-Having an injured person in the car ! that would raise ten times the number of red flags
-Medical emergency, stay put and call the emergency services or drive to a hospital, They are the options I have used in the past.
-Looking for help calling an ambulance, come on really
-Broke down, possibility but anyone out in a remote location will have a plan B and would certainly know not to go rambling around someones house all locked up, no lights on etc etc. Imagine facing a couple of dogs defending their territory

You need a reality check

Nekarsulm · 23-09-2019 11:19pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I think it's in the DPP's hands now what charges if any will be brought against him.

Graces7 wrote: »

You cannot compare that. That man had been tormented by his neighbour for 30 years. 24/7 with a crowbanger. Having suffered from one nearby many times it is far more understandable and utter provocation with no help from local council re noise nuisance etc. There wad serious bad blood between them and he just snapped, whereas the dead man in this was a friend.

Why he chose to call at that late hour?

Don't forget that the man killed by his neighbor in that case was subsequently found to have an illegally owned shotgun in the boot of his car at the time. (his own legally owned gun having been confiscated by the Gardai some time earlier after he threatened someone else with it)

Graces7 · 24-09-2019 6:47am

Drifter50 wrote: »

-Emergency services will all use Eircodes
-Having an injured person in the car ! that would raise ten times the number of red flags
-Medical emergency, stay put and call the emergency services or drive to a hospital, They are the options I have used in the past.
-Looking for help calling an ambulance, come on really
-Broke down, possibility but anyone out in a remote location will have a plan B and would certainly know not to go rambling around someones house all locked up, no lights on etc etc. Imagine facing a couple of dogs defending their territory

You need a reality check

Maybe you need...not everyone plans for a breakdown or carries a phone with them and if you break down at night in the middle of nowhere of course you will try to get help from a nearby house. I have, in recent years, when I still lived on the mainland, had someone in that situation at my door . No problem helping them. letting them use the phone.

Man shoots dead neighbour in Co. Mayo

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