Spring lamb prices

wrangler · 18-09-2019 4:38pm

Green farmer wrote: »

Just read there, the protests have been withdrawn in dawn meats, so we might be able to return to Kildare soon enough.

Whether they had it or not the factories wouldn't give in, arrogant to the bone they are.
Not over yet though

Green farmer · 18-09-2019 4:48pm

wrangler wrote: »

Whether they had it or not the factories wouldn't give in, arrogant to the bone they are.
Not over yet though

I’m only an outside observer, but I’m just as disappointed with the carry on of creed, bird bia and the competition authority, in their handling of the whole event and the side they came down on.

wrangler · 18-09-2019 4:56pm

Green farmer wrote: »

I’m only an outside observer, but I’m just as disappointed with the carry on of creed, bird bia and the competition authority, in their handling of the whole event and the side they came down on.

I suppose I've been through it all before and wasn't expecting anything different.
I don't know if it was ever paid but we were fined over €500000 and, like beef plan, IFA stepped down and left farmers vulnerable......we negotiated then and it wasn't pushed further.
Anyway it's not over yet

JJayoo · 18-09-2019 5:35pm

How are prices decided on? For example we sent down lambs two weeks ago from Sligo to Kildare, a truck with about 400 lambs collected them. We had to book these lambs in approx a week before and then when the haulage guy had a full load he called us to say he would be collecting.

So the factories know that these lads are coming with their 400+ lambs, and they also know that these lambs have to be booked in by the farmer to secure a place on the truck, so there are thousands of lambs sent to factories without the farmers actually knowing what the price for them will be.

If the factory know they have a big amount of lambs booked in do they lower the price to maximize profits for that week. Or is the price dictated by the amount of lambs available the previous week?

You would think that the factory would raise prices to attract more farmers to send in their lambs, but since you have to have them booked in before you actually see any price increase this doesn't make
much sense. Unless the haulage guys only make up a small % of total lamb numbers.

I think the sun is making me ramble lol

ganmo · 18-09-2019 5:50pm

wrangler wrote: »

I suppose I've been through it all before and wasn't expecting anything different.
I don't know if it was ever paid but we were fined over €500000 and, like beef plan, IFA stepped down and left farmers vulnerable......we negotiated then and it wasn't pushed further.
Anyway it's not over yet

I was talking to someone recently and he was saying how its impossible to negotiate with splinter groups(workers unions). I had to remind him that the farmers were pushed to splinter by the legal action taken by the factories.

wrangler · 18-09-2019 5:57pm

JJayoo wrote: »

How are prices decided on? For example we sent down lambs two weeks ago from Sligo to Kildare, a truck with about 400 lambs collected them. We had to book these lambs in approx a week before and then when the haulage guy had a full load he called us to say he would be collecting.

So the factories know that these lads are coming with their 400+ lambs, and they also know that these lambs have to be booked in by the farmer to secure a place on the truck, so there are thousands of lambs sent to factories without the farmers actually knowing what the price for them will be.

If the factory know they have a big amount of lambs booked in do they lower the price to maximize profits for that week. Or is the price dictated by the amount of lambs available the previous week?

You would think that the factory would raise prices to attract more farmers to send in their lambs, but since you have to have them booked in before you actually see any price increase this doesn't make
much sense. Unless the haulage guys only make up a small % of total lamb numbers.

I think the sun is making me ramble lol

You should know the price before they get on the lorry.

JJayoo · 18-09-2019 6:19pm

But you have to book them on the lorry a week in advance.

Dinzee Conlee · 18-09-2019 7:38pm

JJayoo wrote: »

But you have to book them on the lorry a week in advance.

Can you not book them, and then check the price either the day or the day before they go on the lorry?
At least you’ll know what you’re getting?

ganmo · 19-09-2019 12:15pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Can you not book them, and then check the price either the day or the day before they go on the lorry?
At least you’ll know what you’re getting?

that would be worth inquiring about.
It might be that the truck driver only tells the factory he's coming when he has a full load.

That situation also sounds like it'll lead to lots of overweight lambs too

Green farmer · 21-09-2019 5:33pm

Have all the pickets finished in the sheep factories ?

White Clover · 21-09-2019 5:56pm

Any increase on 21kg?

razor8 · 21-09-2019 6:43pm

Paying 21.5 since 1st September

kk.man · 21-09-2019 7:56pm

Was at the mart today and it took an exceptional lamb to make 100e and those were bought by butchers.

White Clover · 21-09-2019 8:00pm

kk.man wrote: »

Was at the mart today and it took an exceptional lamb to make 100e and those were bought by butchers.

What weights kk man? Fermoy on Monday was €2/kg for butcher's and factory lambs.

kk.man · 22-09-2019 11:11am

White Clover wrote: »

kk.man wrote: »

Was at the mart today and it took an exceptional lamb to make 100e and those were bought by butchers.

What weights kk man? Fermoy on Monday was €2/kg for butcher's and factory lambs.

50kgs lambs struggled to make 100e. Those that did were bought by butchers and those sub 100e were bought by factory agents.

foxirl · 23-09-2019 6:59am

Does ICM kill on Saturdays or is it just weekdays? Thanks

Update: Just got though to them and they don't.

JJayoo · 25-09-2019 2:45am

5 euro in fees for every animal we sent to factory. 2 euro haulage and 3euro in factory fees.

The 2euro haulage is sound but when you see a breakdown of all the factory fees it's a joke, where does this money actually go?
SRM charge of 1.27 euro on all animals
Scrapie charge of .71 cent on all animals.

kk.man · 25-09-2019 1:14pm

JJayoo wrote: »

5 euro in fees for every animal we sent to factory. 2 euro haulage and 3euro in factory fees.

The 2euro haulage is sound but when you see a breakdown of all the factory fees it's a joke, where does this money actually go?
SRM charge of 1.27 euro on all animals
Scrapie charge of .71 cent on all animals.

Scrapie only applicable on ewes

Green farmer · 25-09-2019 2:21pm

What are lads paying in haulage ? Last time I sent around 15 sheep, I was charged €3.50 a head to factory. I’m 100 mile from factory. How does this compare ?

Sami23 · 25-09-2019 2:46pm

Green farmer wrote: »

What are lads paying in haulage ? Last time I sent around 15 sheep, I was charged €3.50 a head to factory. I’m 100 mile from factory. How does this compare ?

2 euro here

Green farmer · 25-09-2019 2:55pm

Sami23 wrote: »

2 euro here

Are ye far from factory ?

Sami23 · 25-09-2019 2:56pm

Green farmer wrote: »

Are ye far from factory ?

about 50 miles

Siamsa Sessions · 25-09-2019 7:01pm

€3 here (Waterford to Kildare)

Green farmer · 27-09-2019 11:06am

Stores still €2 a kilo with ewe lambs €5 extra ? Going to get another load out next week.

JJayoo · 27-09-2019 11:13am

I think store lambs all depend on how the jobbers are working. I have seen in Ballina the jobbers standing in pens of lambs, pretty much arranging between themselves which pens they will take, and then none of them will bid against each other. Your definitely not getting €2/kg in this scenario.

Sami23 · 27-09-2019 11:22am

JJayoo wrote: »

I think store lambs all depend on how the jobbers are working. I have seen in Ballina the jobbers standing in pens of lambs, pretty much arranging between themselves which pens they will take, and then none of them will bid against each other. Your definitely not getting €2/kg in this scenario.

Same in most marts I'm afraid and is totally wrong. It's up to mart managers to stop this craic of lads standing in the pen while auctioneer is selling that pen

Sami23 · 27-09-2019 11:23am

Green farmer wrote: »

Stores still €2 a kilo with ewe lambs €5 extra ? Going to get another load out next week.

4.50 /kg flat
4.60 /kg incl QA
in Athleague today up to 21.5kgs

Box09 · 27-09-2019 2:08pm

470 icm all in

wrangler · 27-09-2019 2:25pm

Sami23 wrote: »

4.50 /kg flat
4.60 /kg incl QA
in Athleague today up to 21.5kgs

Athleague isn't as good as other years whatever is going on

Hard Knocks · 27-09-2019 10:13pm

Green farmer wrote: »

Stores still €2 a kilo with ewe lambs €5 extra ? Going to get another load out next week.

Heard stores have gotten dear, as lots of extra grass
A month ago rams wer6 €5 + €2/kg with ewes €5 more

ganmo · 27-09-2019 10:25pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Heard stores have gotten dear, as lots of extra grass
A month ago rams wer6 €5 + €2/kg with ewes €5 more

http://www.blessingtonmart.ie/MarketReports/tabid/103/post/sheep-sales-report---24th-september-2019/Default.aspx

My dad brought home lambs that were making 70

paddysdream · 29-09-2019 11:21am

Any prices for next week?Hear they are back 5/10 cents a kilo.Waiting for a couple of agents to get back to me.4:70 last week hearing 4:60/4:65 for the coming week

Lambman · 29-09-2019 11:26am

Mart yesterday there ram lambs getting hard till sell across all weights. Ewe lambs holding in around the â‚¬2kg good heavy batches off hogget makers selling well I got â‚¬116 for 52kg texel x lambs just hadn't enough off them.!

wrangler · 29-09-2019 11:33am

paddysdream wrote: »

Any prices for next week?Hear they are back 5/10 cents a kilo.Waiting for a couple of agents to get back to me.4:70 last week hearing 4:60/4:65 for the coming week

ICM were threatening a big drop for last week but didn't drop them after, I don't know how they're tolerating being so much higher than the english price

Box09 · 29-09-2019 12:27pm

470 icm for tomorrow

answerman12 · 02-10-2019 3:22pm

Have 20 broken mouth mountain ewes here for culling, mart trade is fairly average at the moment so considering bringing them in and fatten them up and straight to factory. Anyone have any experience fattening mountain ewes? What Killout and weights would ye be expecting? They're in good condition at the moment, nowhere near factory fat though. Do you assess fat score on ewes similar to how you'd assess lambs? Cheers

JJayoo · 02-10-2019 8:09pm

Would it be worth the grass/concentrate to get them 'factory fit'? Vs getting them away now? Every additional kg of flesh will only be getting you 2.60 euro.

eorna · 02-10-2019 8:51pm

answerman12 wrote: »

Have 20 broken mouth mountain ewes here for culling, mart trade is fairly average at the moment so considering bringing them in and fatten them up and straight to factory. Anyone have any experience fattening mountain ewes? What Killout and weights would ye be expecting? They're in good condition at the moment, nowhere near factory fat though. Do you assess fat score on ewes similar to how you'd assess lambs? Cheers

If you have plenty of grass and in no rush might b worth a punt targeting market in march/april or Whenever prices rise.
If you have to start throwing meal at them not sure if makes economical sense.

murrak123 · 02-10-2019 11:23pm

Anyone else finding it hard to get lambs killed.? Been told to call back next week for the last two weeks. Based in the west.

Green farmer · 03-10-2019 7:19am

murrak123 wrote: »

Anyone else finding it hard to get lambs killed.? Been told to call back next week for the last two weeks. Based in the west.

Ya, found the same here. There’s abit of a backlog atm.

razor8 · 03-10-2019 1:40pm

no problems in our group at all

Sami23 · 07-10-2019 10:08pm

Down another 10cent this week.
4.40 flat and 4.50 incl QA

paddysdream · 07-10-2019 10:23pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Down another 10cent this week.
4.40 flat and 4.50 incl QA

Where's that ?

JJayoo · 07-10-2019 10:39pm

Damn that has fallen alot.

So much better to get lambs that are well-fed away at 42kg nice and early than letting them get up towards 50+

Sami23 · 08-10-2019 6:29am

paddysdream wrote: »

Where's that ?

Ballyhaunis

Box09 · 08-10-2019 2:09pm

470 all in ICM yesterday

Sami23 · 08-10-2019 2:11pm

Box09 wrote: »

470 all in ICM yesterday

Was that up to 21.5kg ?

Ballyhaunis are screwing the west of Ireland farmers so.

foxirl · 08-10-2019 2:24pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Was that up to 21.5kg ?

Ballyhaunis are screwing the west of Ireland farmers so.

Was quoted 4.40 base on Friday up to 21.5 but when I got the payment slip they gave me 4.50.
Not in QA

Sami23 · 08-10-2019 2:44pm

foxirl wrote: »

Was quoted 4.40 base on Friday up to 21.5 but when I got the payment slip they gave me 4.50.
Not in QA

Did you have no ticked for QA in despatch book or left blank?

Green farmer · 08-10-2019 3:40pm

Box09 wrote: »

470 all in ICM yesterday

That’s good. I see their official quote at €4.35 plus 10qa, is the worst on the market.

Spring lamb prices

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