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17-09-2010, 20:52   #1
 
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Our most important passenger and freight ports

Following on from a discussion in the Roads Forum on the proposed M11 Oilgate to Rosslare scheme, it seems pertinent to start a thread on the relative importance of various ports outside of Dublin, such as Ringaskiddy vs Rosslare. This has implications for road investment. For example, which is more deserving of an upgrade: the N28 (Ringaskiddy) or the N11 (Rosslare)?
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Note that Ringaskiddy is also an industrial area with several thousand employed and that the N28 also serves Carrigaline and elsewhere, which hardly compares to the holiday homes in Rosslare. Some of the N28 is still particularly narrow, especially at the top of Carr's Hill http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,571186,566766,7

That said, WCC have allowed development right along the N25, which makes certain sections more pressing than others.

I wonder if both schemes are over-specified. Certainly, drawings I saw of the N28 had lots of junctions between Shannonpark (Carrigaline) Roundabout and Ringaskiddy.

Regarding tonnages, Rosslare is effectively a single port, but Cork has Whitegate (oil), Cobh (mixed visiting traffic, cruise ships, fishing), Rushbrooke (low level ship repair), Marino Point (closed), Carrigaloe (pleasure craft), Tivoli, (new vehicles, lead ore, refined fuels), city quays (bulk, live animals, timber, grains, mixed visiting traffic, refined fuels), Passage West (bulk), Monkstown (pleasure craft), Pfizer (citric acid, others?), Ringaskiddy (car ferry, new vehicles, bulk), Haulbowline (Naval Service) and Crosshaven (boat building and pleasure craft). Different parts of the port, use different routes.
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the N11 is all ws2 from Clogh to the end bar the towns and villages it passes (Camolin, Ferns, Enniscorth and Oylgate) and the N25 is ws2 pretty much all the way to the top of the hill into the port

the N28 is too narrow and busy to allow right turns for a long stretch from the top of the hill out of Douglas to Carrigaline as Victor says.
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Cross-posting this from the N28 thread in the roads forum:

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Port to submit revised €50m terminal plan

THE Port of Cork is to submit a revised plan for a new €50 million container terminal in Ringaskiddy, although not on the same site which was previously refused by Bord Pleanála.

Two years ago the planning appeals board rejected the port’s plans for a container terminal at the Oysterbank. Now, after reviewing five shortlisted alternatives, the port has decided the ideal location for the terminal will be adjacent to the ferry terminal at Ringaskiddy.

The port’s chief executive Brendan Keating said the company could also carry out some future operations at Marino Point, but would have to acquire the former IFI site before they could lodge any planning applications there.

Mr Keating said it was hoped to apply for permission for the cargo terminal during 2012 and, all going according to plan, start construction in early 2104. The terminal would take 14 months to construct. The project represented the first part of a 20-year phased plan to upgrade the port’s handling facilities.

"After the first phase further developments will follow a business case and capacity needs," he said.

Mr Keating said that while the Tivoli terminal was still functioning well, it was coming under pressure and a new terminal was needed to deal with the ever increasing size of container ships.

He acknowledged that the Port of Cork would have to persuade Bord Pleanála to change its mind on Ringaskiddy being proper place for a deep water cargo handling facility.

The planning appeals board turned down the previous application on a number of grounds. Firstly, it felt too much pressure would be put on the N28 (Cork-Ringaskiddy road) with the number of lorries generated by the project.

In addition, it was felt that the Jack Lynch Tunnel wouldn’t be able to handle extra traffic and Bord Pleanála also believed a deep water cargo handling facility needed a rail connection.

"We were very perplexed at the reasons for the refusal and we will have to address that with Bord Pleanála," Mr Keating said.

He said the National Roads Authority (NRA) had given a commitment to upgrade the N28.

The NRA has also indicated it is planning a major upgrade of the Jack Lynch Tunnell/Dunkettle roundabout interchange.

The Port of Cork chief executive acknowledged that while a rail link could be easily created to Marino Point, off the Cork-Cobh line, it was unlikely one would ever be built to Ringaskiddy.

However, Mr Keating said Ringaskiddy is already associated with considerable port activity and port investment.

The port authorities will be consulting with customers and stakeholders again on it plans in the coming weeks.

This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, June 18, 2010


Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...#ixzz10XvDKyHG
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Marino point is a good shout for the Ports re-location. Rail connected and with plans somewhere in purgatory to upgrade the terrible Fota road to DC standard up to the N25.

Those Rushbrooke nimbys are waiting to strike no doubt.
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Mr Keating said it was hoped to apply for permission for the cargo terminal during 2012 and, all going according to plan, start construction in early 2104.
I guess the banks will be unbanjaxed by then
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[article] Port acquires IFI plant for cargo expansion

I can't find any other thread specific to ports, so this is probably best fit.

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The Port of Cork has confirmed its purchase of the long-disused Irish Fertiliser Industries (IFI) plant in Marino Point, Cobh, in a joint venture project which will see the shoreline site redeveloped for additional cargo handling.

After years of trying to secure the strategic harbourside facility, Port of Cork chief executive Brendan Keating said it has acquired the site along with Lanber Holdings (LB), a Co Wexford-based company which has a major track record in business development.

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The deal was confirmed yesterday as, in a separate major boost for Cork Harbour, a US energy company formally announced its plans to ship more than €300m worth of natural gas yearly from its Texas gas field, to be piped into the national grid. The project, recently revealed by the Irish Examiner, is a collaboration between NextDecade Corporation, the Port of Cork and Flex LNG, a company which will supply a special storage ship which will convert liquid natural gas (LNG) into vapour before it is pumped ashore.


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While it had good rail and energy connections, Marino Point doesn't have great road access - the road from Carrigtwohill to Cobh is mostly a legacy 2-lane road.
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While it had good rail and energy connections, Marino Point doesn't have great road access - the road from Carrigtwohill to Cobh is mostly a legacy 2-lane road.
The rail connection is probably the most important with this site.

I wonder would there be any call for a dedicated lower harbour bridge for vehicles to link up with the M28.
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I wonder would there be any call for a dedicated lower harbour bridge for vehicles to link up with the M28.
Sounds cheap and simple..
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Sounds cheap and simple..
sounds cheap and simple... I don't think the poshos in Monkstown want to be too connected to Cobh!
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sounds cheap and simple... I don't think the poshos in Monkstown want to be too connected to Cobh!

Tís alright, Marino point is across from passage west... 😀
. . Actually the road to Marino point from cobh cross isn't that bad, would need widening and straightening ( a lot of rock into the harbour,) the pinch point will be the bridge from fota to great island...
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There was a plan to dual a stretch of the R624 back when money grew on trees, main part was to be a new bridge near Fota.

From there to Cobh would be challenging to widen though.
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sounds cheap and simple... I don't think the poshos in Monkstown want to be too connected to Cobh!
But imagine that any bridge also provides a rail connection to Monkstown, Carrigaline and Ringaskiddy.
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But imagine that any bridge also provides a rail connection to Monkstown, Carrigaline and Ringaskiddy.
would really open up both areas. Should certainly be examined.
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