Homeless

kingsofoffaly · 15-08-2015 8:38pm #1

Seen a homeless couple with 3 filled trolleys today on the main shopping street. The woman is pregnant, seemly the council won't help and they were living with the woman's boss in a flat, paying him rent every week and seemly never paid the rent at all and owes the landlord a lot of money and has done a runner and a runner from his company. Opinions ?

crazy_kenny · 15-08-2015 8:42pm

kingsofoffaly wrote: »

Seen a homeless couple with 3 filled trolleys today on the main shopping street. The woman is pregnant, seemly the council won't help and they were living with the woman's boss in a flat, paying him rent every week and seemly never paid the rent at all and owes the landlord a lot of money and has done a runner and a runner from his company. Opinions ?

Mind your own business

kingsofoffaly · 15-08-2015 8:45pm

crazy_kenny wrote: »

Mind your own business

Why I'm sad to see this happening ðŸ˜”

Digital Society · 15-08-2015 8:47pm

Stealing trolleys is a criminal offence.

crazy_kenny · 15-08-2015 8:51pm

kingsofoffaly wrote: »

Why I'm sad to see this happening ðŸ˜”

Indeed it is very sad to see it happening but much homelessness can be attributed to poor choices by individuals.

jayboi · 15-08-2015 11:15pm

kingsofoffaly wrote: »

Seen a homeless couple with 3 filled trolleys today on the main shopping street. The woman is pregnant, seemly the council won't help and they were living with the woman's boss in a flat, paying him rent every week and seemly never paid the rent at all and owes the landlord a lot of money and has done a runner and a runner from his company. Opinions ?

Right here's what I think is wrong with what you've posted

Seen a homeless couple with 3 filled trolleys today on the main shopping street. The woman is pregnant, seemly the council won't help and they were living with the woman's boss in a flat, paying him rent every week and seemly he (the woman's boss) never paid the rent at all and owes the landlord a lot of money and has done a runner and a runner from his company. Opinions

Why cant they just get their own place by the sounds of it they don't owe the landlord anything?

kingsofoffaly · 15-08-2015 11:39pm

jayboi wrote: »

Right here's what I think is wrong with what you've posted

Seen a homeless couple with 3 filled trolleys today on the main shopping street. The woman is pregnant, seemly the council won't help and they were living with the woman's boss in a flat, paying him rent every week and seemly he (the woman's boss) never paid the rent at all and owes the landlord a lot of money and has done a runner and a runner from his company. Opinions

Why cant they just get their own place by the sounds of it they don't owe the landlord anything?

I don't know just what I was told was the story

longshanks · 16-08-2015 12:08am

Does anyone speak Offaly?

Second Toughest in_the Freshers · 16-08-2015 12:14am

offaly quiet or offaly loud?

(or just offaly, in general)

Poor Uncle Tom · 16-08-2015 8:33am

kingsofoffaly wrote: »

Seen a homeless couple with 3 filled trolleys today on the main shopping street.

The woman is pregnant, seemly the council won't help and they were living with the woman's boss in a flat, paying him rent every week and seemly never paid the rent at all and owes the landlord a lot of money and has done a runner and a runner from his company. Opinions ?

Throw out a soundbite to get an emotive reaction

kingsofoffaly wrote: »

Seen a homeless couple

How do you know they were homeless?

kingsofoffaly wrote: »

...on the main shopping street.

Where exactly is that in Waterford?

kingsofoffaly wrote: »

The woman is pregnant, seemly the council won't help

Have the council branched out?

kingsofoffaly wrote: »

they were living with the woman's boss in a flat, paying him rent every week and seemly never paid the rent at all and owes the landlord a lot of money and has done a runner and a runner from his company. Opinions ?

Nice little anecdote, but seems to pick up the story quite late on, where were they living before this? how did they come to only have the choice of moving in with 'the boss'? where are social services in all this? where are their individual families?

In current economic times it's hard to have sympathy for everyone who is down on their luck, but given snippets of stories like this it is impossible to even have empathy as it's obviously not the full story, not by a long shot.

kingsofoffaly · 16-08-2015 1:34pm

No need for people to be rude here. I'm only saying what I had seen and been told. I felt sorry for them.

sparkling sea · 16-08-2015 6:52pm

If you see them again maybe you might tell them they can contact either or all off these

The Homeless Services Officer, Bailey's New Street

Focus

Simon

St Vincent DePaul.

All of these organisations can provide emergency accommodation.

I think its very sad to see anyone in this situation.

Wanderer78 · 16-08-2015 9:13pm

ireland better get ready for this catastrophe unfolding im afraid

obezyana · 17-08-2015 9:10am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ireland better get ready for this catastrophe unfolding im afraid

Hopefully it wont explode like it is on the verge of. Some people are giving in to the banks to easily. I understand people got themselves in trouble by being reckless but at the same time there is a huge amount who have lost jobs businesses gone to the wall etc. It is a sad thing to see. Hopefully people fight their corner and things work out.

Wanderer78 · 17-08-2015 11:47am

obezyana wrote: »

Hopefully it wont explode like it is on the verge of. Some people are giving in to the banks to easily. I understand people got themselves in trouble by being reckless but at the same time there is a huge amount who have lost jobs businesses gone to the wall etc. It is a sad thing to see. Hopefully people fight their corner and things work out.

this is a total disaster. the banks simply dont care. they just want to maximise their profits and thats just about it. ah there was a bit of recklessness alright but the whole market was and still is orchestrated. i was at a very interesting talk about all this at last years kilkenomics. very disturbing debate to be honest. i fear the crunch point here will be the interest rate.

25-08-2015 8:08pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this is a total disaster. the banks simply dont care. they just want to maximise their profits and thats just about it. ah there was a bit of recklessness alright but the whole market was and still is orchestrated. i was at a very interesting talk about all this at last years kilkenomics. very disturbing debate to be honest. i fear the crunch point here will be the interest rate.

This has nothing to do with the banks/politicians/irish water/guards. I have saw this status shared so many times on facebook and all the comments blaming banks/politicians/Irish water is so irritating.

There has been a go fund me page started to help her and to be honest, I don't see why she is sitting around city square with her stuff. Surely she has family in Manchester that can help her and if not there is help out there.

Also this link below is her.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/appeal-help-find-missing-woman-8001297

Wanderer78 · 25-08-2015 10:05pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This has nothing to do with the banks/politicians/irish water/guards. I have saw this status shared so many times on facebook and all the comments blaming banks/politicians/Irish water is so irritating.

There has been a go fund me page started to help her and to be honest, I don't see why she is sitting around city square with her stuff. Surely she has family in Manchester that can help her and if not there is help out there.

Also this link below is her.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/appeal-help-find-missing-woman-8001297

apologies but i know nothing about this exact situation but my opinions on the general homeless problem developing at the moment still stands. thanks for the link. i ll check it out

beyondbelief67 · 26-08-2015 12:38am

The link about the missing person is from last year and she was found safe and well ? I deleted a comment I put about how she wasn't exactly hiding when I saw them a few days ago by the book centre I really hope they get some help soon.

26-08-2015 12:39am

beyondbelief67 wrote: »

Is this definetley the same person missing from Tameside as with the shopping trolleys though as they were hardly hiding a few days ago ?
They were by the book centre with their belongings and trolleys talking to a lot of people with signs written on the trolleys ?

Apparently so, there is a go fund me for Gemma at the moment. She was pregnant again last year according to that article and she was living in Manchester. For someone who hasn't been living in Waterford very long she seems to be making a lot of demands. Surely the cost of a plane ticket home could be given to her, so she can return to her family.

Stheno · 26-08-2015 12:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently so, there is a go fund me for Gemma at the moment. She was pregnant again last year according to that article and she was living in Manchester. For someone who hasn't been living in Waterford very long she seems to be making a lot of demands. Surely the cost of a plane ticket home could be given to her, so she can return to her family.

This may be the same lady who appeared on my facebook feed this evening, living on the streets in Waterford with a pile of shopping trolleys, with two previous children who were taken off her?

Why she can't get benefits is beyond me, if it's the same person apparently her partner is Irish, is it a habitual residence issue?

26-08-2015 12:45am

Stheno wrote: »

This may be the same lady who appeared on my facebook feed this evening, living on the streets in Waterford with a pile of shopping trolleys, with two previous children who were taken off her?

Why she can't get benefits is beyond me, if it's the same person apparently her partner is Irish, is it a habitual residence issue?

I'd say so because in the newspapers articles she was living in England up to a few months ago. You have to be resident of the state for a certain period before you can claim social welfare if I'm not mistaken.

Making the square look bad, her stuff needs to be taken away.

beyondbelief67 · 26-08-2015 12:45am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Apparently so, there is a go fund me for Gemma at the moment. She was pregnant again last year according to that article and she was living in Manchester. For someone who hasn't been living in Waterford very long she seems to be making a lot of demands. Surely the cost of a plane ticket home could be given to her, so she can return to her family.

That link to the missing pregnant lady is from last year she was found the day after the appeal was posted ? I deleted my post to state that.

Stheno · 26-08-2015 12:47am

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd say so because in the newspapers articles she was living in England up to a few months ago. You have to be resident of the state for a certain period before you can claim social welfare if I'm not mistaken.

Making the square look bad, her stuff needs to be taken away.

If the feed on my facebook is true, and she's had two children forcibly taken away by the state in the UK, then she has some serious issues.

beyondbelief67 · 26-08-2015 12:47am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd say so because in the newspapers articles she was living in England up to a few months ago. You have to be resident of the state for a certain period before you can claim social welfare if I'm not mistaken.

Making the square look bad, her stuff needs to be taken away.

If your from UK you can put in a claim the same day, but from the date on those newspaper clippings that's October last year ?

26-08-2015 12:49am

beyondbelief67 wrote: »

If your from UK you can put in a claim the same day, but from the date on those newspaper clippings that's October last year ?

Yeah she was 9 months pregnant back then. September this year she is well along again and has no kid with her.

Stheno · 26-08-2015 12:50am

beyondbelief67 wrote: »

That link to the missing pregnant lady is from last year she was found the day after the appeal was posted ? I deleted my post to state that.

She's had enough time to get pregnant again and move over here in the intervening period.

Being from the UK she should be able to access benefits.

Something not right here, and I don't mean ra limits or the like, just something about her as a person, she may need psychiatric help

beyondbelief67 · 26-08-2015 12:51am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah she was 9 months pregnant back then. September this year she is well along again and has no kid with her.

But how can they be missing in plain sight ?

26-08-2015 12:52am

Stheno wrote: »

She's had enough time to get pregnant again and move over here in the intervening period.

Being from the UK she should be able to access benefits.

Something not right here, and I don't mean ra limits or the like, just something about her as a person, she may need psychiatric help

Yeah that seems likely the way the articles were worded. Hopefully she has some family that cares and might help her out.

26-08-2015 12:53am

beyondbelief67 wrote: »

But how can they be missing in plain sight ?

How can who be missing in plain sight, not following you?

Stheno · 26-08-2015 12:54am

beyondbelief67 wrote: »

But how can they be missing in plain sight ?

According to the feed on my facebook, page, her last two children have been forcibly taken into care

Is this her?

photo snipped

beyondbelief67 · 26-08-2015 12:56am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How can who be missing in plain sight, not following you?

If people are saying she's missing I don't understand how when they are there for a few days Infont of the book centre ?

26-08-2015 12:57am

beyondbelief67 wrote: »

If people are saying she's missing I don't understand how when they are there for a few days Infont of the book centre ?

She went missing last year when she was nine months pregnant, she was found.

Stheno · 26-08-2015 12:57am

beyondbelief67 wrote: »

If people are saying she's missing I don't understand how when they are there for a few days Infont of the book centre ?

It was over nine months ago, and she was found.

beyondbelief67 · 26-08-2015 1:01am

Stheno wrote: »

It was over nine months ago, and she was found.

Ah yes I saw the dates but not being on Facebook I wasn't sure if people thought she was still missing but I think I saw her story in a magazine a few weeks ago about why she was wanting to come back here.

Stheno · 26-08-2015 1:06am

beyondbelief67 wrote: »

Ah yes I saw the dates but not being on Facebook I wasn't sure if people thought she was still missing but I think I saw her story in a magazine a few weeks ago about why she was wanting to come back here.

According to the post on fb, she's english, her partner is Irish

rawn · 26-08-2015 1:08am

Her other 2 kids were forcibly taken off her as she was homeless in manchester, now she's pregnant and homeless in ireland... I don't understand why she didn't stay in England where she could get help from the government to rebuild her life and win her kids back?

beyondbelief67 · 26-08-2015 1:10am

Stheno wrote: »

According to the post on fb, she's english, her partner is Irish

Yes from Ashton in Tameside, I lived 3 miles away before moving here. But if it's the same person, as the magazine, I wish her and her partner all the luck in the world.but I'll say no more as I don't want to take the thread of track.

Stheno · 26-08-2015 1:12am

rawn wrote: »

Her other 2 kids were forcibly taken off her as she was homeless in manchester, now she's pregnant and homeless in ireland... I don't understand why she didn't stay in England where she could get help from the government to rebuild her life and win her kids back?

Her current partner is Irish, maybe she thought they would be better off here?

however, I don't know/think it's right that she thinks she has an entitlement greater than others which is the vibe I get

And people don't have their children taken off them lightly either, does this lady have some sort of issue that needs treatment?

26-08-2015 1:41am

Stheno wrote: »

Her current partner is Irish, maybe she thought they would be better off here?

however, I don't know/think it's right that she thinks she has an entitlement greater than others which is the vibe I get

And people don't have their children taken off them lightly either, does this lady have some sort of issue that needs treatment?

Simon community refused to help her. There is more to the story that we dont know.

The Bowling Alley · 26-08-2015 7:44am

The Facebook post had a lot of incorrect information. They are both English with no ties to ireland at all.

obezyana · 26-08-2015 11:04am

There does seem to be more going on with this story and im sure lies and truths will be told but irrespective of all of that it is still a sad and unfortunate position to be in.

The homeless situation is at a level that is shameful this day and age. I know some people have messed up and put themselves in certain situations but they still deserve at least some help. Regarding that couple maybe the powers that be should help them back to Manchester and let them find their way there.

We must not let it get to a situation where people can come in from anywhere and get housing while our own citizens are left on the streets. I am not suggesting to reject people in need i am merely saying lets prioritise our own first then help who we can after that.

CantGetNoSleep · 26-08-2015 1:35pm

People really need to be more responsible when having children and not just assume that someone else or the State will sort them out

Captain Havoc · 26-08-2015 1:50pm

I'm closing this thread as I think it's terrible to be talking about a private individual in such manor, perhaps some of you would like to put an effort into helping this individual or others instead gossiping like auld wans.

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