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Knocknacara Houses knocked for access?

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  • #102
    Zzippy
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    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »
    You would have a very limited scope for walking around that wasn't entering private property.

    If you were acting like that though the assumption would be you were up to no good and you'd be confronted fairly fast and asked to explain yourself.

    Walking back and forth on a narrow road looking into people yards and gardens does not fall under the heading of "having business there". Going to a match or any of the other amenities in salthill on the other had is a legitimate reason to be in the area.

    Actually I don't need to have "business" there to use the public road, and if I want to drive or walk on the public road and have a look over the hedge you have no legal right to stop me, or confront me. It's a public road, not your private road.

    Same goes for you parking in private estates just because you're going to a match nearby, you have no "business" being in that estate but no one has the right to confront you. I don't see how you can't reconcile the two, unless you somehow think you have greater rights than other people.


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    Actually I don't need to have "business" there to use the public road, and if I want to drive or walk on the public road and have a look over the hedge you have no legal right to stop me, or confront me. It's a public road, not your private road.

    Same goes for you parking in private estates just because you're going to a match nearby, you have no "business" being in that estate but no one has the right to confront you. I don't see how you can't reconcile the two, unless you somehow think you have greater rights than other people.

    You are really not getting the point. Parking to go to a match is a legitimate and valid reason to be in an area. Driving down a narrow country road with a dead end for no reason other than having a nose around (which could very easily be interoperated as checking out the place for robberies) is not really a valid reason. If there was a designated walk way or land mark etc then it would give a valid reason. You wouldn't even have a place to park unless you intended blocking the road or blocking a gate or drive way as the road is only wide enough for a single vehicle to pass.
    jugger wrote: »
    Nox no one on a public road needs to explain themselves to you and yours in your opinion you might think they do but they dont

    If you are in the habit of nosing around country roads etc you should expect a knock on the door from the Gardai. Community alert is a big thing now in country areas and we are strongly encouraged to text in any number plates of cars seen around the area with seemingly no business there so yes people do need to explain themselves if their behaviour arouses suspicion.


  • #104
    Iwannahurl
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    That's all self-serving OT red herring stuff, liberally peppered with blatant hypocrisy.

    The core issue is urban permeability and how that can be addressed, most especially where developer-led "planning" has resulted in lack of space to retrofit cul-de-sac estates, while fomenting the kind of reactionary "what we have we hold" mindsets displayed in this thread from the very start.


  • #105
    Unrealistic
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    nuac wrote: »
    Any application for a CPO for a new path thru the estate, or indeed for acquisition of a house to knock for such access, would be made by a successor to the planning authority which granted permission for the original estate. Likely to be successfully challenged
    I know it's purely hypothetical but I'd be interested to hear why you think a challenge to a CPO on the basis that planning permission had been granted for the original construction of the house would "likely be successfully challenged" if the purpose was to construct a path? How is that legally any different from a house which was constructed with planning permission being CPO'd for a road?


  • #106
    what_traffic
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Such as Highfield, for example, a cul-de-sac estate where GAA supporters like to park, usually on the footpath, before walking to Pearse Stadium: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056951980&page=14

    Of course the cul-de-sac parkers are motorists, ie "the people that matter", so that's entirely different and AOK.

    Highfield is a great example. While not a perfect design, if this type of estate was built in Knockers it would solve many of the permeability problems that exist there.


  • #107
    Mrs OBumble
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    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »
    If you are in the habit of nosing around country roads etc you should expect a knock on the door from the Gardai. Community alert is a big thing now in country areas and we are strongly encouraged to text in any number plates of cars seen around the area with seemingly no business there so yes people do need to explain themselves if their behaviour arouses suspicion.

    And what exactly do you think the guards would be asking when they gave this knock. Unless there was a crime committed (which 99.99% of the time there would not have been), there is no problem with going exploring along any road, anywhere.


  • #108
    John_Rambo
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    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »
    You are really not getting the point. Parking to go to a match is a legitimate and valid reason to be in an area. Driving down a narrow country road with a dead end for no reason other than

    Foraging, exercising, cycling, running, bringing the kids for a wander, etc... You'd get told where to go if you or any of your paranoid family asked me what I was up to on a public road!!

    I'd leave it now, you've been caught rapid on this thread!


  • #109
    [Deleted User]
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Foraging, exercising, cycling, running, bringing the kids for a wander, etc... You'd get told where to go if you or any of your paranoid family asked me what I was up to on a public road!!

    I'd leave it now, you've been caught rapid on this thread!

    We aren't paranoid at all, watching for strangers in the area is strongly encouraged in rural areas due to the increase in burglaries in recent times. I don't think you can picture the type of road I live on, while it is technically a public road it is essentially a private road to houses and land in reality as there is nothing public anywhere on it bar the very narrow road itself so you wouldn't have much scope for any foraging or wandering around or anywhere to park even.

    Caught rapid? Yeah right :rolleyes:


  • #110
    John_Rambo
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    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »
    We aren't paranoid at all, watching for strangers in the area is strongly encouraged in rural areas due to the increase in burglaries in recent times. I don't think you can picture the type of road I live on, while it is technically a public road it is essentially a private road to houses and land in reality as there is nothing public anywhere on it bar the very narrow road itself so you wouldn't have much scope for any foraging or wandering around or anywhere to park even.

    From you're post history I think I know exactly where it is actually. I wouldn't be driving either. I'd be walking or cycling. You'd barely notice me there.


  • #111
    jugger
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    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »
    Driving down a narrow country road with a dead end for no reason other than having a nose around
    Kinda sounds like your living on a cul de sac

    In your opinion I'm nosing around but not many people know this but I am a burglar
    Some say burglary is my business so if I have business on your road or near by its cool right ???
    Kinda like you parking in a cul de sac because your going to a match near by but the people don't want you there but it's fine because double 0 noxs says so

    Also I thanked one of your posts just because I could much like walking driving cycling down a public road there is no need for me to explain why ;)


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  • #112
    jugger
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    From you're post history I think I know exactly where it is actually. I wouldn't be driving either. I'd be walking or cycling. You'd barely notice me there.

    Sounds like the next boards beers location !!!


  • #113
    [Deleted User]
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    From you're post history I think I know exactly where it is actually. I wouldn't be driving either. I'd be walking or cycling. You'd barely notice me there.

    My post history would give no indication whatsoever about where my home place is, could be anywhere in county Galway.


  • #114
    L'Enfer du Nord
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    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »

    I've no interest in mixing with random strangers, hence why my house will have high electric gates and only friends and family members will be able access.



    Sounds a bit like Mad Max meets the Waltons.


  • #115
    L'Enfer du Nord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭L'Enfer du Nord


    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »
    We aren't paranoid at all, watching for strangers in the area is strongly encouraged in rural areas due to the increase in burglaries in recent times. I don't think you can picture the type of road I live on, while it is technically a public road it is essentially a private road to houses and land in reality as there is nothing public anywhere on it bar the very narrow road itself so you wouldn't have much scope for any foraging or wandering around or anywhere to park even.

    Chances are I wouldn't be arsed going down there. However there's no technically about it. It is a public road. I could cycle down there with a camera and take pictures if I wanted to, you could ask me my business but I wouldn't have to tell you anything. I wouldn't have a reg plate on a bike. but if I did arrive by car you toook my reg and contacted the cops etc. and they call around to me you'd be wasting there time because I wouldn't have broken any law.


  • #116
    John_Rambo
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    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »
    My post history would give no indication whatsoever about where my home place is, could be anywhere in county Galway.

    Judging by the info you give up I'd say you're South of Belclare, North of Claregalway, West of Lackaghbeg, but East of the Corrib. Somewhere close to Annaghdown, maybe Corrandulla or Rinn.
    jugger wrote: »
    Sounds like the next boards beers location !!!

    Clarke's Tavern!


  • #117
    L'Enfer du Nord
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    Back to Galway City as opposed to some rural community so blighted by crime or the fear of it that all strangers are regarded with suspicion.

    I think a heck of a lot of improvements could be made with out CPOs. I have of course mostly only been down my own former cul-de-sac estate which was actually technically in Rahoon rather than Knocknacarra. I have no real business being in other dead-ends, so once I established there were no short cuts I stuck to the main roads. So I can't think of examples where houses would need to be knocked to open up an estate myself.

    How about this route for a cycle expressway/ring route which is mostly either off road, or on minor roads, a few short stretches on main roads. It leads from the seafront in Salthill to The Hospital, NUIG. It would only require two walls to be knocked down, one on Miller's lane and one in Kingston. (Bigger version attached)

    359747.jpg



    There's various issues with this route: Too long, Too hilly. But why talk about knocking houses when we're not even properly using the permeability that does exist in terms of marked routes with proper integration.


  • #118
    [Deleted User]
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Judging by the info you give up I'd say you're South of Belclare, North of Claregalway, West of Lackaghbeg, but East of the Corrib. Somewhere close to Annaghdown, maybe Corrandulla or Rinn.

    You're a fair bit off but you must have put in a lot of trawling through posts to come up with that guess.


  • #119
    John_Rambo
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    Allison Shy Industry wrote: »
    You're a fair bit off but you must have put in a lot of trawling through posts to come up with that guess.

    A two minute search. ;) I have family that live close by, I know the area.


  • #120
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »
    How about this route for a cycle expressway/ring route which is mostly either off road, or on minor roads, a few short stretches on main roads. It leads from the seafront in Salthill to The Hospital, NUIG. It would only require two walls to be knocked down, one on Miller's lane and one in Kingston.

    I know that's just one suggested trip, ie Salthill to UHG/NUIG, but I can't imagine why anyone would need to take anything other than the most direct route in that scenario.

    That said, your more general point is very valid: cyclists, especially the less confident ones, will take a longer route if it is more pleasant and traffic conditions are more conducive. However, I presume there are natural limits to that compromise. Pedestrians would be even more sensitive to that trade-off.

    I'm aware of some cycle routes along minor roads and through short cuts in cul-de-sacs that might well suit those less confident cyclists. It would be great of these could be mapped. Another advantage of such a map might be that it would potentially highlight locations where permeability could be improved (by demolition if necessary ;)).*

    Incidentally, here's an example of where permeability in Knocknacarra was deliberately compromised to facilitate the flow of motorised traffic: the Western Distributor Road cutting across Millar's Lane, and no pedestrian crossing provided (at this point or indeed anywhere else along the entire 3 km length of the WDR).

    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Foraging, exercising, cycling, running, bringing the kids for a wander, etc... You'd get told where to go if you or any of your paranoid family asked me what I was up to on a public road!

    Foraging? Exercising? You ain't from around here, are ya? ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVDN8yR3ig0


    L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »
    Sounds a bit like Mad Max meets the Waltons.

    Utopia, for some...

    rednecks.jpg





    *Of course a potential disadvantage of such a map would be that it might attract the attention of the reactionaries who believe they have a private veto over the use of public roads.


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  • #121
    ?Cee?view
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    L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »

    How about this route for a cycle expressway/ring route which is mostly either off road, or on minor roads, a few short stretches on main roads. It leads from the seafront in Salthill to The Hospital, NUIG. It would only require two walls to be knocked down, one on Miller's lane and one in Kingston. (Bigger version attached)
    .


    Looks interesting and very similar to a route I take by scooter/motorbike (extremely under utilised modes of transport in Galway), but having used most of this route, I can't see why you'd need to knock a wall in either Kingston or Millar's Lane? Can you not just turn off Kingston straight into Manor Drive and from there straight onto Millar's Lane?


  • #122
    L'Enfer du Nord
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    ?Cee?view wrote: »
    Looks interesting and very similar to a route I take by scooter/motorbike (extremely under utilised modes of transport in Galway), but having used most of this route, I can't see why you'd need to knock a wall in either Kingston or Millar's Lane? Can you not just turn off Kingston straight into Manor Drive and from there straight onto Millar's Lane?

    [The alignment of the route was slightly out on original attachment, correct version attached]

    The knocking down of a wall would be between Ross Gael off the Old Rahoon road and Miller's Lane, you could go up Old Rahoon Road itself and on to Millers Lane, but I've tried to keep off main roads as much as possible. Similarly the other wall to be breached is between 'The Gardens' off the top of Thread needle and Kingston. The route is already more or less doable. The issues are poor surface in places, too narrow, barriers/bollards and curbs with out ramps. A few button operated bike/pedestrian crossings would probably help too. Not sure is having a bike path through hospital grounds is a great idea, might be possible to fit it on the grass verge on the stretch of Seamus Quirke Road between the roundabout and Newcastle Road.


  • #123
    L'Enfer du Nord
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    I know that's just one suggested trip, ie Salthill to UHG/NUIG, but I can't imagine why anyone would need to take anything other than the most direct route in that scenario.

    Yes but its not a cycle path designed to get you from Salthill to NUIG ASAP. It a cycle path design to get you from WDR/Knocknacarra to NUIG safely and comfortably or to Salthill, or to Dunnes for example. I can also think of quite a few suitable spurs off it.

    Yes a map of short cuts would be a double edged sword, I mean any randomer could see it, then god knows what could happen.


  • #124
    ?Cee?view
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    L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »
    [The alignment of the route was slightly out on original attachment, correct version attached]

    The knocking down of a wall would be between Ross Gael off the Old Rahoon road and Miller's Lane, you could go up Old Rahoon Road itself and on to Millers Lane, but I've tried to keep off main roads as much as possible. Similarly the other wall to be breached is between 'The Gardens' off the top of Thread needle and Kingston. The route is already more or less doable. The issues are poor surface in places, too narrow, barriers/bollards and curbs with out ramps. A few button operated bike/pedestrian crossings would probably help too. Not sure is having a bike path through hospital grounds is a great idea, might be possible to fit it on the grass verge on the stretch of Seamus Quirke Road between the roundabout and Newcastle Road.

    I'd be inclined to suggest that rather than going through the Gardens, you'd take it to the top of Threadneedle and align it to the inside of the wide "Layby" and bus stop area on the left. You could then run a straight route right along the inside of the golf course wall, the whole way parallel to Kingston Road with a signalled crossing for pedestrians and cyclists across to Manor Drive and maybe further down near Kingston Gardens. Those crossings would also slow traffic which habitually speeds on that road.


  • #125
    L'Enfer du Nord
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    ?Cee?view wrote: »
    I'd be inclined to suggest that rather than going through the Gardens, you'd take it to the top of Threadneedle and align it to the inside of the wide "Layby" and bus stop area on the left. You could then run a straight route right along the inside of the golf course wall, the whole way parallel to Kingston Road with a signalled crossing for pedestrians and cyclists across to Manor Drive and maybe further down near Kingston Gardens. Those crossings would also slow traffic which habitually speeds on that road.

    You are probably right, I don't live in the area any more so I can't remember the exact layout.
    I wanted to put in a few wall breaches just to keep the post on topic :)

    So what's stopping Galway city council from doing something like this?

    Lack of funds?
    Lack of will?
    Lack of imagination?
    Lack of demand?
    Likely objections from residents?
    Likely objections from motorists?


  • #126
    ?Cee?view
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    L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »

    So what's stopping Galway city council from doing something like this?

    Lack of funds? - Surely it'd cost feck all?
    Lack of will? - Yes, it would take effort
    Lack of imagination? - Undoubtedly
    Lack of demand? - I think this could be a case of build it and they will come. Unfortunately, many who advocate for these type of improvements do so by aligning themselves against other transport options thereby casting themselves as cranks. They work against themselves.
    Likely objections from residents? - I think on the routes you've suggested there would be little to object to. Routes already exist. By taking a few feet from the golf club which is currently bushes and scrub, few residents could object.
    Likely objections from motorists?- Why? I can't see that it would have much impact on motorists. It has to be accepted that if the bypass is going ahead, the area "within" the bypass has to be more amenable to other forms of transport.
    ...


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  • #127
    pmasterson95
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    Its a great thing the "reactionaries" outnumber the crackpots. These people wont loose there homes to let people who are too lazy to walk around obstacles win. Sanity will prevail it normally does.


  • #128
    FortySeven
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    loose there homes

    Lose their?

    Thank god for the sane, willing to walk unrequired miles for the illusion of safety. Priceless.


  • #129
    what_traffic
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    These two walls should be knocked.

    https://goo.gl/maps/UpSsC

    and
    https://goo.gl/maps/RcAcw

    Windfield Gardens to KnocknaCarra Park


  • #130
    John_Rambo
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    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Its a great thing the "reactionaries" outnumber the crackpots. These people wont loose there homes to let people who are too lazy to walk around obstacles win. Sanity will prevail it normally does.

    Laziness is jumping in to the car! We need to stop doing this for short journeys, and "Lose their homes" is a bit strong! CPO's are fine for other means of transport like roads and motorways, surely the lazy way to travel! Why not the same treatment for walking and cycling? We need to go back to livable, walkable cities with easy access to public transport.

    You're grandfather/mother would think nothing of cycling walking or even running eight to ten miles to get somewhere. And, they would have cycled a heavier bike than what's available now!

    Modern living is fantastic, but sometimes the older ways are how people survived longer, fitter, stronger and faster. We could all do with looking back on our heritage and learn from our elders. Rural Irish stock were once a hardy, tough pack. No problem walking or cycling for miles.


  • #131
    L'Enfer du Nord
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    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Its a great thing the "reactionaries" outnumber the crackpots. These people wont loose there homes to let people who are too lazy to walk around obstacles win. Sanity will prevail it normally does.

    "Too Lazy" me arse. The walled estates of Knocknacarra are a joke. Here's an example of where opening up a few wall would reduce a 4km round trip to the supermarket to a 1.2 km trip, or 1 hrs walk to 15 mins walk. Lets say you walk to the shop twice a week, this would save you six hours a month. If you were doing this with a buggy or a small child you'd be saving even more time.

    360168.jpeg

    When it comes to walking to and from school twice a day the savings made would be even greater. The car dependency of our dispersed rural settlement pattern is very unfortunate. The nature of this is evidenced by the effects of the drinking driving ban on rural social life. Why I wonder is considered a good thing to recreate this dependency in urban areas?

    Personally I don't see CPOing of houses to create paths happening. I'm not sure if the original advocates were just making a point in relation to the expressway or if they were entirely serious. It's an extreme reaction to an extremely stupid planning regime. Personally I'd knock down walls where possible and ensure all future developments are permeable. I wouldn't ban dead-ends completely but I set a limit on the number of units that could be more than a certain walking distance from an exit. I'd let estates which couldn't be opened up with out knocking houses stay preserved as a monument to the F**k you just get into a car Galway Celtic Tiger mentality.


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  • #132
    L'Enfer du Nord
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    Below is a video about an infamous wall built between a council estate and a private estate in Oxford in the 1930s. I actually spent much of my childhood in a private estate between two council estates. One of the council estates is perhaps better described as a slum, two rows of terraced houses bulit c.1900 very bad conditions at the time. We were separated from one by a field and a small river from the other by a wall and some over grown waste ground. Kids from all three estates would cross these, every summer makeshift bridges were built. The field and waste ground are now parks, there are two bridges across the river and the wall has been knocked down. All the houses are worth far more than the were before the opening up. As I've said the funny thing about Knocknacarra is that the walls aren't even there for the purposes of social segregation. Maybe its some kind of weird leap of the imagination: gated community = rich, pseudo gated community must be increase the value of my property.



  • #133
    Zzippy
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    I actually don't think these estates were constructed as gated communities or with privacy in mind - not having a second exit allowed more space for houses to be built and more profit for developers. Squeeze as many houses as you can into the land you have, don't waste space on green spaces or laneways, and maximise the return. The fault lies with the planners who accepted this. Preventing "randomers" walking past is merely a side effect of developer's greed, not a feature by design.


  • #134
    L'Enfer du Nord
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    I actually don't think these estates were constructed as gated communities or with privacy in mind - not having a second exit allowed more space for houses to be built and more profit for developers. Squeeze as many houses as you can into the land you have, don't waste space on green spaces or laneways, and maximise the return. The fault lies with the planners who accepted this. Preventing "randomers" walking past is merely a side effect of developer's greed, not a feature by design.

    Well maximising profit is of course the first concern. However there are lots of instances where there are walls dividing estates from each other where the absence of a wall wouldn't effect the number of size of units. I think there was a conscious decision to wall in estates and only have one entrance for both cars and pedestrians, otherwise why did this suddenly start to happen in the 1990s? Either way the results are a disaster for any house hold that isn't prepared for every adult to drive everywhere.


  • #135
    galwaycyclist
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    L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »
    "Too Lazy" me arse. The walled estates of Knocknacarra are a joke. Here's an example of where opening up a few wall would reduce a 4km round trip to the supermarket to a 1.2 km trip, or 1 hrs walk to 15 mins walk. Lets say you walk to the shop twice a week, this would save you six hours a month. If you were doing this with a buggy or a small child you'd be saving even more time.

    360168.jpeg

    When it comes to walking to and from school twice a day the savings made would be even greater.

    If I have it right there are now two primary schools planned for that approximate location. The new educate together school and a gaelscoil.

    If I have it right the educate together will be in the "H" shaped building in the top-right. While I think the gaelscoil is going near the green rectangle (football pitch) on the right.

    What assessment I wonder was made of pedestrian access in choosing these sites?


  • #136
    Cheshire Cat
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    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    If I have it right there are now two primary schools planned for that approximate location. The new educate together school and a gaelscoil.

    If I have it right the educate together will be in the "H" shaped building in the top-right. While I think the gaelscoil is going near the green rectangle (football pitch) on the right.

    What assessment I wonder was made of pedestrian access in choosing these sites?

    The ET school is already in the H shaped building, they will have Junior and Senior Infants this September. This school will move into the building the Gaelscoil is currently using (CappaghRd) once the new Gaelscoil has been built. This will go opposite the pitches, where there is wasteland now.

    AFAIK there is also Steiner school starting up. They will also be located in the same building as the ET school.

    I'd be very much surprised if anybody considered pedestrian access :( - it will be mayhem when all the little darlings are going to be dropped off.


  • #137
    galwaycyclist
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    Cheshire Cat wrote: »
    The ET school is already in the H shaped building, they will have Junior and Senior Infants this September. This school will move into the building the Gaelscoil is currently using (CappaghRd) once the new Gaelscoil has been built. This will go opposite the pitches, where there is wasteland now.

    AFAIK there is also Steiner school starting up. They will also be located in the same building as the ET school.

    I'd be very much surprised if anybody considered pedestrian access :( - it will be mayhem when all the little darlings are going to be dropped off.

    I wonder what Steiner would have made of children having to be driven to schools that are quite close as the crow flies.


  • #138
    Robbo
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    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    I wonder what Steiner would have made of children having to be driven to schools that are quite close as the crow flies.
    Given the number of anti-vaccination types Steiner schools appeal to, perhaps the old Isolation Hospital site be more appropriate?


  • #139
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    House Knock
    Cloch Ard to Cartúr Mor
    https://goo.gl/maps/3wm1V

    These walls are just plain daft.
    https://goo.gl/maps/R4NaW
    Cartúr Mor to Slí na Srúthan

    and
    https://goo.gl/maps/uRGBA
    Hawthorn Place to Slí na Srúthan


  • #140
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    Ideal place to make a cycle and pedestrian access point.
    https://goo.gl/maps/KG8ag


  • #141
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    Manor Court to An Cimín Mór
    https://goo.gl/maps/i7Ti3


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  • #142
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    Ros Ard to Westbrook
    https://goo.gl/maps/KzHz9

    Wall knock and tree removal?


  • #143
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    Connacht Tribune ran with this story.
    http://connachttribune.ie/cyclists-want-homes-in-knocknacarra-knocked-012/


  • #144
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    The article and submission says that houses could be knocked to provide a better secondary road network - would that include car traffic?

    It doesn't seem to explicitly exclude it.


  • #145
    Mrs OBumble
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    Interestingly, I was out in the Newcastle area on the weekend, and really noticed how the various estates seem to be designed to let people move around easily: even when the road aren't joined up, there are pathways, gaps in walls etc.

    How did we get it so right there, and so wrong in Knockers?


  • #146
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Interestingly, I was out in the Newcastle area on the weekend, and really noticed how the various estates seem to be designed to let people move around easily: even when the road aren't joined up, there are pathways, gaps in walls etc.

    How did we get it so right there, and so wrong in Knockers?

    Different mind set of planners and Engineers in the 70's v's the 90's/00's. Progress eh?


  • #147
    GekkePrutser
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Interestingly, I was out in the Newcastle area on the weekend, and really noticed how the various estates seem to be designed to let people move around easily: even when the road aren't joined up, there are pathways, gaps in walls etc.

    How did we get it so right there, and so wrong in Knockers?

    I've always thought it was the developers themselves causing this: The mindset that if they'd connect a back road somewhere it'd only be extra work. But that was just a feeling, not based on anything. I lived in Tirellan before and there was the same problem with the next estate (here). Besides it being very impractical it's also extremely ugly to have one of those 'prison camp' style walls cutting through the estate. They didn't even bother making it look nice.

    Where I live now near Knocknacarra there's only one exit to the estate too, it's really a problem when the roundabout is busy or blocked off (e.g. Ironman etc), there is no other way out whatsoever.

    I think all developments should have two road exits for safety purposes (emergency services access)


  • #148
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    GekkePrutser wrote: »
    I've always thought it was the developers themselves causing this: The mindset that if they'd connect a back road somewhere it'd only be extra work.

    Your are right here. Would cost extra MONEY as well, more profit for the Developers. But it is the Galway City Council Planners and Engineers that gave the go ahead for these plans.


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