ASTEC 63DV - Outdoor Alarm Box

KoolKid · 01-03-2012 12:50am

So you don't think they are capable of making a Relay Card either?

altor · 01-03-2012 12:51am

Well?

altor wrote: »

I dont know what they can manufacture in relation to Astec products.

Do you?

KoolKid · 01-03-2012 12:53am

I believe they would have the ability to make these also?
So do you not believe they could produce a relay card either?

altor · 01-03-2012 12:59am

Why not ask HKC tomorrow and post your findings.
They will know more than you or I.

KoolKid · 01-03-2012 1:23am

I asked this already, along with a few other Qs?
How would anyone in HKC be able to answer a question about what you believe.?

I am still baffled as to why you keep refusing to answer the simple questions ?

I'll try combine it into one question for you.
Do you believe HKC would have the ability to create either a SAB interface or a relay card to work with an Astec 2 wire system?
To clarify I'm not asking you to answer on behalf of HKC, or whether HKC Can or Can't or Will or Won't . Im simply asking do you believe they could.
You don't need any knowledge of their working to answer, its just an opinion.

Another example maybe.
A guy asked me recently do you know a plumber?. I do , my neighbour's a good plumber. Do you think he would be able to fix my boiler? I said yes I think he could, and he calld him & he did. Now if I said to him , well I don't know, what would he have thought? I know what I'd have thought. I'll find a better plumber!!
To be honest if I had difficulty forming a basic opinion like this about any company I do business with I would have serious concerns.

altor · 01-03-2012 1:35am

I am telling you HKC are actively seeking a working solution for the S22.
If you dont want to believe this is reality then that is up to you.

My opinion on if that can or not will have no relevance on them being able to do it or not. It also has no relevance on there systems that they design and manufacture under the HKC LTD brand.

Only time will tell if they can or not.

KoolKid · 01-03-2012 1:46am

I know that , Ive heard that as well.
Still curious as to why you can't answer a simple question of what you believe.

Hard to break a tradition I suppose.
For the record I believe HKC have the ability to produce both of these.
I also believe they won't.
Every one I know in the industry believes Astec was bought for the global sensor only.
I would ask do you, but no doubt you wouldn't answer that either.

There are a number of ways that a Global SAB could be interfaced with a 2 wire Astec System .
Can you think of any?

altor · 01-03-2012 9:58am

Again, my belief is that HKC are making every effort to develop a new interface card.

Are you trying to suggest they are and if they do they wont manufacture it

I would think they bought Astec for a number of reasons.

If you have a suggestion to get the S22 working again then contact HKC here.

KoolKid · 01-03-2012 10:23am

Again I can say what I believe.
I am not dodging the questions
I believe they have the ability to produce a solution to connect a global SAB to an Astec 2 wire system.
I also believe if this new chip doesnt work they will not pursue this any further.
Do you believe they have that ability?
Do you believe they will pursue other ways if this doesn't work.
As an experienced engineer would you agree a solution is possible.

TheImp · 03-09-2013 10:29pm

Hi I've been reading the above thread which was posted earlier this year. My Astec alarm will not work. I had an alarm guy come take a look at it and he said there is an issue with the external bell from the fault code but if I source a s20 adapter he might be able to get it up and running. I notice from your thread that you are talking about a S22. Is it the S20 or S22 I require? Do you have an idea if this part can be sourced?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Trying to avoid replacing the whole system

KoolKid · 04-09-2013 6:21am

The S22 is the SAB interface. I think he's also suggesting the Astec relay card which would also allow you to connect global bells.

TheImp · 04-09-2013 8:48am

Thanks Koolkid. Do you know if they are still available and where they can be sourced?

KoolKid · 04-09-2013 6:45pm

You won't get them in any suppliers.
I might have a few left, I'll check tomorrow.
Where are you located?

TheImp · 04-09-2013 10:43pm

You would be a life saver Koolkid if you did! Live in Drogheda but travel to Dublin for work every day! He came back to me today and said its the s22 I need

KoolKid · 05-09-2013 6:55am

Send me a PM with your details & I'll give you a shout later.

rorytours · 07-12-2014 12:06am

does any know if i could get a s22 kit anywhere?

KoolKid · 07-12-2014 1:00am

There are a few options. Where are you located?

rorytours · 07-12-2014 1:09am

im in ashbourne co meath, my house is wired for astec, so if i cannot get the bell sorted i will have to buy and install wire free .
i will arrange collection anywhere

KoolKid · 08-12-2014 1:13am

I have just looked into this with the manufacturers . We have a lot on order. Not sure if they will be here before Christmas I'm afraid.
If you were thinking of upgrading the GSD i70 would give you the option of a Global bell or a wireless one.

fred funk }{ · 08-12-2014 2:07pm

HKC are supplying the S22's. NEW have them in stock.

jp1000 · 05-10-2018 8:37pm

I see hkc are selling a bellbox HKC-AS-S22 will this work with an astec 2 wire system without a conversion? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

jp1000 · 08-10-2018 6:56pm

My local electrical wholesaler got on to hkc and they said that box would not work with astec. Now I managed to get an s22 module and i have a secondhand aritec bellbox AS522 would anybody know how to connect them together? I will post a photo of the wiring diagram on the bellbox

jp1000 · 08-10-2018 7:01pm

It won’t let me post a photo of bellbox so here are the connections on the aritech:

1-beacon hold-off 0v or floating
2-siren hold off 0v or floating
3-10-14.5v 70ma max standby 500 ma max. Operating ( including beacon
4-GND
5-28v max 100 ma
6-tamper loop

KoolKid · 09-10-2018 3:51pm

jp1000 wrote: »

It won’t let me post a photo of bellbox so here are the connections on the aritech:

1-beacon hold-off 0v or floating
2-siren hold off 0v or floating
3-10-14.5v 70ma max standby 500 ma max. Operating ( including beacon
4-GND
5-28v max 100 ma
6-tamper loop

1 - Internal or Strobe -
2 - Ext bell -
3 - Ext Bell +
4 - BHO Bell Hold off.
6 Tamper return in series with whatever resistor the panel requires.

You may also need a 1k resistor across 1 & 3 & 2 & 3.

KoolKid · 09-10-2018 3:53pm

jp1000 wrote: »

I see hkc are selling a bellbox HKC-AS-S22 will this work with an astec 2 wire system without a conversion? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This appears to be an old link on Mercury website.
No news of these being available. Still investigating , although I cant see HKC wanting to go back to something they ditched so quickly.

jagrace · 03-10-2019 8:11pm

hi I have an Astec alarm and the outside bell box is knackered I cant get hold of an S22 card but i have a relay card can I set this up to trigger a global bell? thx

KoolKid · 03-10-2019 8:30pm

jagrace wrote: »

hi I have an Astec alarm and the outside bell box is knackered I cant get hold of an S22 card but i have a relay card can I set this up to trigger a global bell? thx

A bit messy but it should work.
Eight hand side of bell output & right side of zone input will give you 12vdc.

jagrace · 03-10-2019 11:23pm

The connections you mentioned would trigger the relay when the alarm goes off ? how would I wire the global SAB up to work with it I presume the relay when triggered just opens or closes a set of contacts? what about the bell hold off strobe connects etc? thanks for the reply

KoolKid · 06-10-2019 8:17am

You would wire as follows..

+ to + bell +strobe
- to common of 2 relays and BHO
NO of relay 1 to bell -
NO of relay 2 to strobe -

jagrace · 06-10-2019 6:29pm

Thanks koolkid i will give this a try thanks for the help

jagrace · 09-10-2019 7:59pm

KoolKid wrote: »

You would wire as follows..

+ to + bell +strobe
- to common of 2 relays and BHO
NO of relay 1 to bell -
NO of relay 2 to strobe -

hi koolkid i had a look at the relay i have its a s71 mains relay will that work ? thx

KoolKid · 14-10-2019 8:21pm

If the relay is N/O to close then yes. If its switching mains out you may need another relay with a mains coil to give you an open/close contact.
Getting a bit messy now..!

jagrace · 14-10-2019 8:41pm

KoolKid wrote: »

If the relay is N/O to close then yes. If its switching mains out you may need another relay with a mains coil to give you an open/close contact.
Getting a bit messy now..!

hi kool kid thanks again for getting back to me it say mains but just looks like a relay i would say you could switch anything through it . from your previous post will i need two N/O contacts ? the relay only has one. can i put a + in and switch out to the + to the strobe and bell ? where can i pick up the + and - from on the panel? thx

jagrace · 14-10-2019 8:42pm

jagrace wrote: »

hi kool kid thanks again for getting back to me it say mains but just looks like a relay i would say you could switch anything through it . from your previous post will i need two N/O contacts ? the relay only has one. can i put a + in and switch out to the + to the strobe and bell ? where can i pick up the + and - from on the panel? thx

sorry meant switching the - not the + through the relay !!!!

ASTEC 63DV - Outdoor Alarm Box

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