I hate dentists

Midster · 15-11-2019 10:05pm #1

I hate dentists....

They come across all smiley, happy to see you, remembering your name, making you believe that there only interested in your best interest, but it’s all bull s**t!!

I’ve had several wobbly teeth in my life, and I’ve been told at those times that I needed the tooth taken out, and every time I said no, I looked after my teeth more than before after then and after a while the tooth went solid again.

BEWARE!!! Dentist are like snakes, they look and sound like there trying to help but all there really after is your money, they give you fillings when you don’t need one to make you believe your teeth are going bad, then they take out your teeth one by one so they can make more money on giving you an implant, or a plate.

They make tons of cash by us the unwitting public allowing this and not questioning there reasoning.

Surgeons will do everything they possibly can to leave you as intact as possible, it’s there job, and if you think dentists live by the same rules, think again, cause all they really want is your cash.

They charge more for a tooth removal than a route canal treatment (removing the tooth nerve) so most dentists won’t even speak of it unless you ask for it.

Keep your teeth, don’t let them be so quick to take it out, and if you do have a tooth ache, take pain killers and keep your mouth as clean as you can, go to the doctor if you think you might have a tooth infection, and wait for the pain to die down, if the pain does return, do the same again, a doctor is way cheaper than a dentist, then when you do go, go informed and ask for a route canal treatment on that tooth.

Seriously, they are ripping you all off!!

Oral Surgeon · 15-11-2019 10:13pm

Midster wrote: »

I hate dentists....

They come across all smiley, happy to see you, remembering your name, making you believe that there only interested in your best interest, but it’s all bull s**t!!

I’ve had several wobbly teeth in my life, and I’ve been told at those times that I needed the tooth taken out, and every time I said no, I looked after my teeth more than before after then and after a while the tooth went solid again.

BEWARE!!! Dentist are like snakes, they look and sound like there trying to help but all there really after is your money, they give you fillings when you don’t need one to make you believe your teeth are going bad, then they take out your teeth one by one so they can make more money on giving you an implant, or a plate.

They make tons of cash by us the unwitting public allowing this and not questioning there reasoning.

Surgeons will do everything they possibly can to leave you as intact as possible, it’s there job, and if you think dentists live by the same rules, think again, cause all they really want is your cash.

They charge more for a tooth removal than a route canal treatment (removing the tooth nerve) so most dentists won’t even speak of it unless you ask for it.

Keep your teeth, don’t let them be so quick to take it out, and if you do have a tooth ache, take pain killers and keep your mouth as clean as you can, go to the doctor if you think you might have a tooth infection, and wait for the pain to die down, if the pain does return, do the same again, a doctor is way cheaper than a dentist, then when you do go, go informed and ask for a route canal treatment on that tooth.

Seriously, they are ripping you all off!!

https://66.media.tumblr.com/1ea96a37371305b5e1f21ee22b7e0a58/tumblr_nn1nznruW41s9gsm7o1_r5_400.gifv

15-11-2019 10:34pm

Midster wrote: »

I hate dentists....

I’ve had several wobbly teeth in my lifef!!

Wobbly teeth mean you have gum disease and/or decay. That is avoidable and your fault. Why should a professional not charge for treating your negligence, and helping you?

Fishorsealant · 15-11-2019 11:14pm

Midster wrote: »

They charge more for a tooth removal than a route canal treatment (removing the tooth nerve) so most dentists won’t even speak of it unless you ask for it.

Can you PM me details of this Dentist please..
In case I ever need a route canal treatment.

Midster · 16-11-2019 8:24am

Dav010 wrote: »

Wobbly teeth mean you have gum disease and/or decay. That is avoidable and your fault. Why should a professional not charge for treating your negligence, and helping you?

Because in my experience, even if one of your teeth do go wobbly, if you treat them better than you had before the tooth goes solid again.

And no, absolutely not, if your tooth goes wobbly that doesn’t mean you have gum disease.

And yes, a professional should charge for there hard work, but does that mean a mechanic who replaces parts that can easily be repaired, instead of replaced is still a good mechanic? Or are they just greedy like the rest of us, and probably not to be trusted.

Midster · 16-11-2019 8:25am

Fishorsealant wrote: »

Can you PM me details of this Dentist please..
In case I ever need a route canal treatment.

Any dentist.

16-11-2019 8:51am

Midster wrote: »

Because in my experience, even if one of your teeth do go wobbly, if you treat them better than you had before the tooth goes solid again.

And no, absolutely not, if your tooth goes wobbly that doesn’t mean you have gum disease.

And yes, a professional should charge for there hard work, but does that mean a mechanic who replaces parts that can easily be repaired, instead of replaced is still a good mechanic? Or are they just greedy like the rest of us, and probably not to be trusted.

If your tooth goes wobbly, it means the supporting bone is compromised, the most common cause of that? Periodontal/gum disease. While bone can regenerate, you must first treat the cause, and while treating/brushing them better is vitally important, it alone will not reverse the process. You have to have the bacterial plaque mechanically debrided by your friendly dentist/hygienist. When you break a leg, a cast can be put on to immobilise the broken bones so they heal, but you can’t immobilise your jaw, so teeth that are very wobbly often will not heal/improve, then unfortunately, unless you want pain or accept that the gum disease might spread to other teeth, it may need to be removed.

A good mechanic, like a good dentist will do what is necessary and in your best interest, contrary to what you might believe, dentists do not like taking out teeth. Considering the clinical time it takes to do a root canal, dentists do not charge more fo an extraction than a root canal.

No one makes you go to a dentist, if you find them so objectionable and untrustworthy , don’t go, yours probably finds you a pain in the backside as well.

Midster · 16-11-2019 10:51am

Dav010 wrote: »

If your tooth goes wobbly, it means the supporting bone is compromised, the most common cause of that? Periodontal/gum disease. While bone can regenerate, you must first treat the cause, and while treating/brushing them better is vitally important, it alone will not reverse the process. You have to have the bacterial plaque mechanically debrided by your friendly dentist/hygienist. When you break a leg, a cast can be put on to immobilise the broken bones so they heal, but you can’t immobilise your jaw, so teeth that are very wobbly often will not heal/improve, then unfortunately, unless you want pain or accept that the gum disease might spread to other teeth, it may need to be removed.

A good mechanic, like a good dentist will do what is necessary and in your best interest, contrary to what you might believe, dentists do not like taking out teeth. Considering the clinical time it takes to do a root canal, dentists do not charge more fo an extraction than a root canal.

No one makes you go to a dentist, if you find them so objectionable and untrustworthy , don’t go, yours probably finds you a pain in the backside as well.

The cause for a wobbly tooth is simple, either you was a complete idiot by opening a bottle of beer with your teeth. Or that something is irritating the gum, making it not hold the tooth so tightly, mouthwash and toothpaste 4 or five times a day soon cleans the area and then the gum does come back to hold the tooth tightly again.

There no need for an extraction, but the dentist will do that, or advise that making you feel like a complete idiot if you don’t, then he will sell you a plate costing hundreds of euro.

As for infections, anti biotics were the cure for that last time I checked, and for pain, you just need a pain killer.

Dentists are to quick to make life altering decisions for the patient

tuisginideach · 16-11-2019 10:54am

Midster wrote: »

Any dentist.

But will all dentists go down that route????

Midster · 16-11-2019 10:56am

Dav010 wrote: »

If your tooth goes wobbly, it means the supporting bone is compromised, the most common cause of that?

You mean the upper and lower jaw right, what the hell do you mean compromised? Broken? Fractured? Weakened in some way?

See this is complete and utter bull, even if that was true, and I seriously doubt it is, bones repair themselves all the time. Your talking rubbish

16-11-2019 10:57am

Midster wrote: »

The cause for a wobbly tooth is simple, either you was a complete idiot by opening a bottle of beer with your teeth. Or that something is irritating the gum, making it not hold the tooth so tightly, mouthwash and toothpaste 4 or five times a day soon cleans the area and then the gum does come back to hold the tooth tightly again.

There no need for an extraction, but the dentist will do that, or advise that making you feel like a complete idiot if you don’t, then he will sell you a plate costing hundreds of euro.

As for infections, anti biotics were the cure for that last time I checked, and for pain, you just need a pain killer.

Dentists are to quick to make life altering decisions for the patient

You are of course on the right route.

LukFwd · 16-11-2019 11:00am

Dentist prices in Ireland are ridiculous. An implant can cost up to 3k. No way can that be justified with the time and materials cost. It’s absolutely crazy.

16-11-2019 11:02am

LukFwd wrote: »

Dentist prices in Ireland are ridiculous. An implant can cost up to 3k. No way can that be justified with the time and materials cost. It’s absolutely crazy.

How much do the time and materials cost, in your opinion?

Midster · 16-11-2019 11:03am

tuisginideach wrote: »

But will all dentists go down that route????

You have to arm yourself with information, please bear in mind that if for whatever reason 1 tooth is missing in a patients head, and they take out another, the patient has to trust the dentist is correct in his assessment. But from that tooth removal the dentist can sometimes make hundreds of euro making a plate for that person.

If you do that maybe 10 or 20 times extra a year you’ve just earned yourself a s**t ton of extra cash.

#easymoney

Midster · 16-11-2019 11:12am

Dav010 wrote: »

How much do the time and materials cost, in your opinion?

Thing is my dad used to work for a private dentist, and:
A) he said dentist in general don’t like treating welfare folk cause they don’t make as much money from them as private patients.

the machinery is mega expensive to buy, in the first place.

Which means they have to buy expensive stuff to look credible, and somehow they have to pay for it.

I mean come on, think of this logically, when you get your teeth polished how much is it? It might seem worth the price when you go from yellow to white but what did they actually physically do?

The thing they use wears down the top layer to expose the whiter layer underneath.

It’s a nothing job! But they make you pay through the nose for it cause they know the only people who ever go for that sort of thing have an insecurity about it.

16-11-2019 11:16am

Midster wrote: »

Thing is my dad used to work for a private dentist, and:
A) he said dentist in general don’t like treating welfare folk cause they don’t make as much money from them as private patients.
the machinery is mega expensive to buy, in the first place.

Which means they have to buy expensive stuff to look credible, and somehow they have to pay for it.

I mean come on, think of this logically, when you get your teeth polished how much is it? It might seem worth the price when you go from yellow to white but what did they actually physically do?

The thing they use wears down the top layer to expose the whiter layer underneath.

It’s a nothing job! But they make you pay through the nose for it cause they know the only people who ever go for that sort of thing have an insecurity about it.

Was your dad a dentist?

Midster · 16-11-2019 11:17am

Dav010 wrote: »

Was your dad a dentist?

He fitted and plumbed dentist surgeries

16-11-2019 11:22am

Midster wrote: »

He fitted and plumbed dentist surgeries

And charged for his skill and labour no doubt. A lot of people think they know about plumbing and that it is easy, until they botch the diy job, then they have to call in someone like your Dad to fix it. Sound familiar?

mordeith · 16-11-2019 11:25am

Midster wrote: »

#easymoney

Very easy money. You only need a Fetac level 3 to become a money grabbing dental practitioner.

Midster · 16-11-2019 11:26am

LukFwd wrote: »

Dentist prices in Ireland are ridiculous. An implant can cost up to 3k. No way can that be justified with the time and materials cost. It’s absolutely crazy.

And that’s exactly my point, what exactly is the dentists insensitive for trying to save the tooth??? There is non, if the options are to do either route canal treatment which ensures the patient can keep the tooth, and be pain free. Or to remove it, cause you know there quite wealthy and give them an implant costing thousands of euro.

There is no insentive, in fact the insentive swings the other way, we’re it’s more better and lucrative for removing the tooth.

Midster · 16-11-2019 11:28am

mordeith wrote: »

Very easy money. You only need a Fetac level 3 to become a money grabbing dental practitioner.

Far as I know you also need very good qualifications to work in banking, or the stock market, but are they always ethical.

Just in case your wondering, the answer is no.

16-11-2019 11:30am

Midster wrote: »

And that’s exactly my point, what exactly is the dentists insensitive for trying to save the tooth??? There is non, if the options are to do either route canal treatment which ensures the patient can keep the tooth, and be pain free. Or to remove it, cause you know there quite wealthy and give them an implant costing thousands of euro.

There is no insentive, in fact the insentive swings the other way, we’re it’s more better and lucrative for removing the tooth.

Actually the proportion of people who opt for implants is very small, a denture is a one off charge, a significant proportion of which is paid to the laboratory which makes it. If based solely on financial considerations, surely it would make more fiscal sense for the dentist to get the patient to retain the tooth, and keep charging for future treatments on it?

Midster · 16-11-2019 11:38am

Dav010 wrote: »

Actually the proportion of people who opt for implants is very small, a denture is a one off charge, a significant proportion of which is paid to the laboratory which makes it. If based solely on financial considerations, surely it would make more fiscal sense for the dentist to get the patient to retain the tooth, and keep charging for future treatments on it?

The proportion of people who get implants is low because the majority of people out there can’t afford one.

Fillings, extractions and teeth polishing is a dentists bread and butter

endacl · 16-11-2019 11:42am

I hear they’re all in cahoots with the tooth fairy. Been going on for years. Any ‘dentists’ care to comment..?

16-11-2019 11:45am

Midster wrote: »

The proportion of people who get implants is low because the majority of people out there can’t afford one.

Fillings, extractions and teeth polishing is a dentists bread and butter

Certainly the price is prohibitive for many people, and you are correct, routine treatments are the bread & butter for most Clinics. But extractions are not. It’s actually rare for people to need teeth out now, in most cases it is done if the tooth is unrestorable, or loose due to periodontal disease. When you think about the accusation you are making, an extracted tooth is of no further financial benefit to the dentist in most cases once the denture is made, if it was only about money, why would a dentist remove a source of future treatment income?

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 16-11-2019 11:50am

Midster wrote: »

He fitted and plumbed dentist surgeries

oh the f*uking irony ...
plumbers are the worst rip off merchants ever , if you can even get one

as the joke goes :
Internet porn has given young people a false an unrealistic expectation oh how soon a plumber will get to your house.

TheEyeonyrBack · 16-11-2019 12:00pm

Dental care and a careful daily hygiene is very important to prevent other and more serious diseases. Any penny I personally spend for my health is worth.

In 2006 I had a bike accident and got my frontal teeth filled for 400€ in my home country. Because these teeth are meant to fall some day, I make regular checks twice a year. I know that the implants will cost around 2k each so I'm prepared.

Three years ago one of my fillings felt off and I had to rely on Irish dental care because I couldn't go back to my country to get it fixed. My tooth was filled and I paid 180€ including clense and I'm very happy with the results.

It looks like some posters here had just bad luck or underestimate the importance of their health.

Midster · 16-11-2019 12:34pm

Dav010 wrote: »

Certainly the price is prohibitive for many people, and you are correct, routine treatments are the bread & butter for most Clinics. But extractions are not. It’s actually rare for people to need teeth out now, in most cases it is done if the tooth is unrestorable, or loose due to periodontal disease. When you think about the accusation you are making, an extracted tooth is of no further financial benefit to the dentist in most cases once the denture is made, if it was only about money, why would a dentist remove a source of future treatment income?

It is not rare to remove teeth.... how many customers do dentists have usually, routine appointments with sometimes hundreds of people every year, if you add another surgery you can substantially increase your patient number.

All those people, with 32 teeth in each mouth, Some of them quite wealthy. I’d say the temptation is enormous to do in necessary work is huge

Midster · 16-11-2019 12:45pm

TheEyeonyrBack wrote: »

Dental care and a careful daily hygiene is very important to prevent other and more serious diseases. Any penny I personally spend for my health is worth.

In 2006 I had a bike accident and got my frontal teeth filled for 400€ in my home country. Because these teeth are meant to fall some day, I make regular checks twice a year. I know that the implants will cost around 2k each so I'm prepared.

Three years ago one of my fillings felt off and I had to rely on Irish dental care because I couldn't go back to my country to get it fixed. My tooth was filled and I paid 180€ including clense and I'm very happy with the results.

It looks like some posters here had just bad luck or underestimate the importance of their health.

Yes I agree, dental hygiene is very important, but they don’t work for the health service, they work for themselves, which means they have there own financial pressures, and once a filling goes in, or the tooth comes out, nobody can see if it was necessary to do the work.

They are only answerable to themselves.

And there are strong financial insentives for doing un necessary work

rainbowtrout · 16-11-2019 1:01pm

Midster wrote: »

They charge more for a tooth removal than a route canal treatment (removing the tooth nerve) so most dentists won’t even speak of it unless you ask for it.

https://www.smiles.ie/smiles-dental-price-list/

Hmmm... most expensive tooth extraction is €240, cheapest root canal treatment is €350.

Midster wrote: »

Thing is my dad used to work for a private dentist, and:
A) he said dentist in general don’t like treating welfare folk cause they don’t make as much money from them as private patients.
the machinery is mega expensive to buy, in the first place.

Which means they have to buy expensive stuff to look credible, do their job and somehow they have to pay for it.

I mean come on, think of this logically, when you get your teeth polished how much is it? It might seem worth the price when you go from yellow to white but what did they actually physically do?

The thing they use wears down the top layer to expose the whiter layer underneath.

It’s a nothing job! But they make you pay through the nose for it cause they know the only people who ever go for that sort of thing have an insecurity about it.

If all of these things are so cheap to buy and so easy to do why don't you do it yourself? Why are you going to the dentist?

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 16-11-2019 1:39pm

Oh god please dont feed this Troll....and certainly nothing to chewy.

Rodin · 16-11-2019 1:41pm

Dav010 wrote: »

How much do the time and materials cost, in your opinion?

About £1700stg vs €3000

Oasis1974 · 16-11-2019 1:44pm

Can you send us a picture of your choppers I'm a dentist might have an idea.

16-11-2019 1:47pm

Rodin wrote: »

About £1700stg vs €3000

You will find clinics in the North who charge more than £1700, and Clinics in the South which charge less than €3k. Shop around.

Rodin · 16-11-2019 1:48pm

Dav010 wrote: »

You will find clinics in the North who charge more than £1700, and Clinics in the South which charge less than €3k. Shop around.

I did.

16-11-2019 1:50pm

Rodin wrote: »

I did.

When you shopped around, did you find Clinics in the South which charge less than €3k and Clinics in the North who charge more than 1700? Google is your friend.

Rodin · 16-11-2019 1:52pm

Dav010 wrote: »

When you shopped around, did you find Clinics in the South which charge less than €3k and Clinics in the North who charge more than 1700? Google is your friend.

I didnt bother looking at the south as I knew they couldnt compete with Northern prices.

16-11-2019 2:18pm

Rodin wrote: »

I didnt bother looking at the south as I knew they couldnt compete with Northern prices.

Then you missed out and paid more than you had to. But back to your point, there are many Clinics who charge less than 3k and more than 1700.

Oral Surgeon · 16-11-2019 2:26pm

I was going to write a sensible reply but then I realized that I due to pick up my new Ferrari today, only problem is there’s not much of a boot in it, it’ll be full of healthy teeth and cash in no time!!

Rodin · 16-11-2019 4:01pm

Dav010 wrote: »

Then you missed out and paid more than you had to. But back to your point, there are many Clinics who charge less than 3k and more than 1700.

I can get an implant in the south for below £1700 ?

16-11-2019 4:11pm

Rodin wrote: »

I can get an implant in the south for below £1700 ?

Google is your friend, yes you can get it cheaper than €2100 in the South. What you did is take a price from the top end down here, and compare it with one at the lower end in the North to make a point. I did a quick check of Clinics in Newry, Belfast, Enniskillen, most are more than £1700 and most down here are quite a bit under €3k.

antix80 · 16-11-2019 4:14pm

Op has some valid points. Some dentists are awful. They'd give a filling if there was a bit of spinach in your teeth.
My sister had a tooth pulled by one dentist when she had toothache, when she heard bad reports of that dentist she went to another who thought it was crazy that the tooth was pulled. Apparently the first guy just offered to pull it without discussing any other options. Easy money i guess.

Rodin · 16-11-2019 5:48pm

Dav010 wrote: »

Google is your friend, yes you can get it cheaper than €2100 in the South. What you did is take a price from the top end down here, and compare it with one at the lower end in the North to make a point. I did a quick check of Clinics in Newry, Belfast, Enniskillen, most are more than £1700 and most down here are quite a bit under €3k.

Mine was Newry. 1700. Delighted

Midster · 16-11-2019 6:21pm

Oral Surgeon wrote: »

I was going to write a sensible reply but then I realized that I due to pick up my new Ferrari today, only problem is there’s not much of a boot in it, it’ll be full of healthy teeth and cash in no time!!

When you have to go to someone who you know is going to cause you pain, this is no laughing matter.

Oral Surgeon · 16-11-2019 8:19pm

Midster wrote: »

When you have to go to someone who you know is going to cause you pain, this is no laughing matter.

Yep I can cause some discomfort but my input is a net benefit to the patient and the elimination of pain and infection from the issues they presented with.
Most of your posts and dental advice on this thread are comically inaccurate so the joke is on you my friend.
The problem here is that you think you know it all and have it all figured out but the reality here that you know nothing about dentistry and I really mean nothing! Look up Dunning Kruger and you’ll probably find a picture of yourself in the explination!
To all my dental colleagues here, don’t waste your time here.
Reply all you want, this is my last post on this one!!

Dianthus · 17-11-2019 10:50am

The beauty of it all is that you have a choice.
Noone is going to frogmarch you to a surgery & insist upon treatment. You're an adult. You have autonomy.
All most people want is a healthy, functional, comfortable, socially acceptable looking, dentiition. Ideally with low-no risk of pain& infection, & regular screening for oral cancer. The unsupervised ticking timebomb scenario is a big gamble.

As for the simplicity of the job& the calibre of the candidates, there are undergraduate & postgraduate positions available yearly. Open to anyone in the country to apply, from any educational or socioeconomic background.

bfclancy · 17-11-2019 11:14am

antix80 wrote: »

Op has some valid points. Some dentists are awful. They'd give a filling if there was a bit of spinach in your teeth.
My sister had a tooth pulled by one dentist when she had toothache, when she heard bad reports of that dentist she went to another who thought it was crazy that the tooth was pulled. Apparently the first guy just offered to pull it without discussing any other options. Easy money i guess.

you realise how stupid you sound with your made up anecdote. how would the second dentist make a diagnosis on a tooth that wasn't there, Jasus you'd be better off saying nothing at all rather than making up stuff so you can contribute

work · 17-11-2019 12:23pm

Midster wrote: »

I hate dentists....

They come across all smiley, happy to see you, remembering your name, making you believe that there only interested in your best interest, but it’s all bull s**t!!

I’ve had several wobbly teeth in my life, and I’ve been told at those times that I needed the tooth taken out, and every time I said no, I looked after my teeth more than before after then and after a while the tooth went solid again.

BEWARE!!! Dentist are like snakes, they look and sound like there trying to help but all there really after is your money, they give you fillings when you don’t need one to make you believe your teeth are going bad, then they take out your teeth one by one so they can make more money on giving you an implant, or a plate.

They make tons of cash by us the unwitting public allowing this and not questioning there reasoning.

Surgeons will do everything they possibly can to leave you as intact as possible, it’s there job, and if you think dentists live by the same rules, think again, cause all they really want is your cash.

They charge more for a tooth removal than a route canal treatment (removing the tooth nerve) so most dentists won’t even speak of it unless you ask for it.

Keep your teeth, don’t let them be so quick to take it out, and if you do have a tooth ache, take pain killers and keep your mouth as clean as you can, go to the doctor if you think you might have a tooth infection, and wait for the pain to die down, if the pain does return, do the same again, a doctor is way cheaper than a dentist, then when you do go, go informed and ask for a route canal treatment on that tooth.

Seriously, they are ripping you all off!!

I would wonder if this post should be allowed. Is it a joke? Basically hate speech and mad ranting advice. The sad thing is some people might believe there is any truth in this.

17-11-2019 12:31pm

work wrote: »

I would wonder if this post should be allowed. Is it a joke? Basically hate speech and mad ranting advice. The sad thing is some people might believe there is any truth in this.

Apart from antix80 I would be confident no adult would believe brushing alone would able to reverse the process of bone loss caused by trauma or a chronic condition like periodontal disease when it has reached the point when the teeth are loose.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 17-11-2019 12:34pm

I think if you look on the OP's post history, you see an angry man who has watched a bit too much Jordan Peterson, I would just let the thread die away and nobody with any sense would take any notice and those without do not have the capacity to learn otherwise.

NSAman · 17-11-2019 12:35pm

Rodin wrote: »

I didnt bother looking at the south as I knew they couldnt compete with Northern prices.

Try 1000 euro an implant including all crowns,,,but that is one of those foreign dentists who we are all warned about by irish dentists because their standards aren’t as high..:)

I hate dentists

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