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"Chiropractor" is a protected term but "Accountant" is not?

  • 09-12-2019 11:29pm
    #1
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭


    In the UK it appears that chiropractor is a protected term see here and in Ireland it appears their representative body is agitating to have it protectedher aswell. Turns out that Osteopath is an actual protected term in Ireland!

    How can it be that an Osteopath is a protected terms and that a Chiropractor which has zero scientific basis could become a protected term and yet "Accountant" which is an actual science practised for hundreds of years is still not a protected term in Ireland?


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  • #2
    darklighter
    Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭darklighter


    It beggars belief alright.....the powers that be would probably argue that because "Auditor" is a protected term, there is not much point in protecting "Accountant"


  • #3
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    darklighter wrote: »
    It beggars belief alright.....the powers that be would probably argue that because "Auditor" is a protected term, there is not much point in protecting "Accountant"

    Is Auditor a actual protected term or is it just the case that you cannot sign audit reports with a practising cert which is issued by an accountancy body of which you must be a member?


  • #4
    Stratvs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭Stratvs


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    Is Auditor a actual protected term or is it just the case that you cannot sign audit reports with a practising cert which is issued by an accountancy body of which you must be a member?

    I suppose it's protected insofar that the ODCE can (and has) taken action and fined persons holding themselves out as auditors while not appropriately authorised.

    I believe fadó fadó when Mary Harney was Minister for Enterprise / Industry or whatever then efforts were made to protect the term 'Accountant' and IAASA issued a consultation paper on it in but AFAIK it went nowhere.


  • #5
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    "Accountant" which is an actual science practised for hundreds of years is still not a protected term in Ireland?

    Are you really trying to pretend you're a scientist just because you're an accountant?


  • #6
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,376 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Effects wrote: »
    Are you really trying to pretend you're a scientist just because you're an accountant?

    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup isn't an accountant either.


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  • #7
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Effects wrote: »
    Are you really trying to pretend you're a scientist just because you're an accountant?

    Bsc in Accounting. Thank you.


  • #8
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    Tickers isn't an accountant either.

    Says who?


  • #9
    Lu Tze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    Similar to engineering I would imagine, engineer isn't protected, Chartered Engineer is.


  • #10
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Stratvs wrote: »
    I suppose it's protected insofar that the ODCE can (and has) taken action and fined persons holding themselves out as auditors while not appropriately authorised.

    I believe fadó fadó when Mary Harney was Minister for Enterprise / Industry or whatever then efforts were made to protect the term 'Accountant' and IAASA issued a consultation paper on it in but AFAIK it went nowhere.

    The competition authority objected to it at the time https://www.ccpc.ie/business/business/research/submissions/s-06-002-legal-protection-term-accountant/


  • #11
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,376 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    Says who?

    You did in one of your previous threads in this forum. I think it was the Race To the bottom one?

    Edit: yep just looked at that thread and you did say it.


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  • #12
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    You did in one of your previous threads in this forum. I think it was the Race To the bottom one?

    But the term Accountant isn't protected so I can call myself an accountant as could you.


  • #13
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,376 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    But the term Accountant isn't protected so I can call myself an accountant as could you.

    You can call yourself what ever you want but that doesn't mean it's true either. Your not an actual accountant and it would be unethical to portray yourself as one in my opinion.


  • #14
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    You can call yourself what ever you want but that doesn't mean it's true either. Your not an actual accountant and it would be unethical to portray yourself as one in my opinion.

    That's the whole point of my thread so what part of my posts do you have a problem with?


  • #15
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Similar to engineering I would imagine, engineer isn't protected, Chartered Engineer is.

    But can you open a firm and practice as an engineer without being a Chartered Engineer?


  • #16
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,376 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    That's the whole point of my thread so what part of my posts do you have a problem with?

    No problem with your posts just pointing out to Effects that you weren't actually an accountant as I think they were under the impression you were one.


  • #17
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Effects wrote: »
    Are you really trying to pretend you're a scientist just because you're an accountant?

    The guy is not a qualified accountant, just a trolly who turns up every so often needing attention.


  • #18
    jus_tin4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭jus_tin4


    I for one, get a great laugh out of the OP posts - brighten up my day after working and not worrying about such trivial things like this thread :)


  • #19
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    The guy is not a qualified accountant, just a trolly who turns up every so often needing attention.

    Why are you following me around from thread to thread making personal comments about me rather than contributing to the thread? You hijacked three threads just to make comments about me. You also said that you were going to ignore me but keep making comments on my threads.

    Why you mad?


  • #20
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    jus_tin4 wrote: »
    I for one, get a great laugh out of the OP posts - brighten up my day after working and not worrying about such trivial things like this thread :)

    As an accountant, what's trivial about a thread discussing protection of the term "Accountant"?


  • #21
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    Why are you following me around from thread to thread making personal comments about me rather than contributing to the thread? You hijacked three threads just to make comments about me. You also said that you were going to ignore me but keep making comments on my threads.

    Why you mad?

    Then stop posting nonsense on forum I follow, all you do is create noise.


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  • #22
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    Then stop posting nonsense on forum I follow, all you do is create noise.

    What exactly do you have a problem with, your only contribution to the thread is to pass remarks about me? Everything I've posted no this forum is related to accountancy and who made you the arbitrator of what content is acceptable on here, are you a moderator? If you don't agree with what I'm saying then comment as to why you think I'm wrong.

    For example, on this thread what exactly is your issue, do you think Accountant should be a protected term or do you come here just to post about me?


  • #23
    jus_tin4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭jus_tin4


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    As an accountant, what's trivial about a thread discussing protection of the term "Accountant"?


    Cause it is a difference those it make really make? Your worried about someone setting up as a fake accountant? I couldn’t give too small f’s if someone does it. I have my qualification so I’m happy out. I’d suggest you focus on getting your tbh OP rather than the random topics you been posting recently.


  • #24
    Stanford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    But can you open a firm and practice as an engineer without being a Chartered Engineer?

    YES


  • #25
    Stanford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    In the UK it appears that chiropractor is a protected term see here and in Ireland it appears their representative body is agitating to have it protectedher aswell. Turns out that Osteopath is an actual protected term in Ireland!

    How can it be that an Osteopath is a protected terms and that a Chiropractor which has zero scientific basis could become a protected term and yet "Accountant" which is an actual science practised for hundreds of years is still not a protected term in Ireland?

    The Chiropractors Act 1994 is UK legislation only


  • #26
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Kaelyn Unsightly Teacup wrote: »
    For example, on this thread what exactly is your issue, do you think Accountant should be a protected term or do you come here just to post about me?

    I think that someone who is not qualified should stop whining about something that does not impact them.


  • #27
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I wonder if those Scientology loons chaps can call themselves auditors - because of that "auditing" thing they do.

    This used to annoy me - that accountant wasn't protected - but not anymore.


  • #28
    Stanford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Were they the same Auditors who gave BoI and Anglo Irish a clean bill of health back in 2007?


  • #29
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Stanford wrote: »
    Were they the same Auditors who gave BoI and Anglo Irish a clean bill of health back in 2007?

    In before FAI mentioned


  • #30
    Stanford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Deleted User wrote: »

    In before FAI mentioned

    Good man..!!!!!!!!


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  • #31
    [Deleted User]
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    Stanford wrote: »
    Good man..!!!!!!!!

    It's been years since I worked in practice and Highly unlikely to be an auditor, so have no skin in the game. There's loads of examples from Enron/Worldcom to my own experience and have worked with all sizes of auditors including all big 4 and I'd not have much faith in their reports.

    I'm not CPA, but one of the best auditors I worked with was a CPA firm from Limerick.


  • #32
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    This issue has been rumbling on for years.


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