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Saving/Applying for a mortgage 2020-22 Edition

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19 board I se


    Waiting for loan offer from permanent tsb for the last 17 days... they say its in the queue to issued but I'm still waiting and the seller is starting to get nervous and so am I! anyone in the same boat?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 crashbang1


    They're a nightmare, took me over a month of constant pressure to get the loan offer issued. Now trying to get drawdown to happen and documents that they have keep suddenly being required again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,648 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Have loan offer, waiting for contracts to come in, vendors are taking an age and a half! Car is dying and needs to be upgraded, I can't afford a car and a mortgage deposit so thinking about a credit union loan...

    Will the bank be looking for us to keep away from loans until our mortgage has been drawn down or can they refuse drawdown at this stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Emma2019


    Generally the advice is always to stay away from loans until drawdown is complete. Any credit you take out can affect the amount a bank is willing to lend and they check again before drawdown.

    If the car is totally clapped out I'd say just get a rental provided it doesn't totally wipe out your savings pattern. That said, I don't think the pattern matters as much at drawdown anyway. I was just asked for my salary account bank statements rather than savings accounts. Plus lots of people have big outgoings for floors and appliances in new builds.

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Don't take out new lending. A credit check is now always run at drawdown, but if it is (usually the underwriter originally assessing the case will say if they want it re done on drawdown or not) it will trigger a whole reassessment. The banks internal cals take short term debt into account, and they will also have queries on your affordability.

    Let's say the mortgage is 1800, and you have shown 2000. You take out a loan with repayments of 300pm, they will take that into account and the amount your are showing affordability for is only 1700.

    I really wouldn't draw any further finance until you have the keys in your hand tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,648 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Thanks guys, had a feeling, banks and their ridiculous rules again haha!



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭jc11


    Would it be inappropriate/forbidden for a bank worker to receive a gift after mortgage drawdown? Would like to get the person handling my mortgage a card with voucher for coffee as they were so lovely to deal with. Just not sure if it'd be allowed on their side!



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Blaa.boy


    Just wondering does anyone have any experience on being approved but by time of drawdown my partner will be on maternity. Statoury maternity pay and will be returning the work after 6 months.

    Not much difference in her wage to maternity pay as I am main earner.

    I see they ask for updated payslips and don't want to run into trouble.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Paul_Mc1988


    Know a couple who were building a house in blessington last year. The morgage gets released in three payments. She went on maternity after the second. Bank found out and wouldn't release the third payment. The house had to be put on hold for 9 moths


    It's not just the fact that she was on maternity it's the fact they now had a kid which changes their monthly outgoings and the bank need to reassess



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭Green Mile


    I'm waiting on the Loan Offer from Avant now. I should have it next week.

    To move to Drawdown stage, I just need to set up the mortgage protection assurance and the building insurance.

    A silly question probably, I'm just finalising the sale of my old house too which has mortgage protection assurance. Can I just keep this going or will this cease with the sale of my old home and I then need to obtain a new mortgage protection policy?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 gillka92


    Does anyone know how long probate is taking roughly at the moment? I see on the oireachtas website it is saying average 6 weeks for Galway does this sound right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Pistachios & cream


    Hoping to close early next week. I have to say BOI have been very straight forward to deal with. My OH was on probation when we first applied, they issued approval in principle once he submitted a "letter of comfort" from his manager basically saying his probation was just a formality as he had previously worked on that team. They were very quick getting our letter of offer out once we found a house and re-checked our payslips and bank accounts then. Our solicitor requested the funds at the end of last week and they had made an error in not attaching our life insurance and we queried this on Monday and they rectified this very quickly and i was notified that they had deposited the funds yesterday.

    I had setup the mortgage saver account with them and got the bonus in my account today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Emma2019


    Each application takes about 8-12 weeks. If there is anything wrong with the application (typos etc.) then you have to reapply and go to the end of the queue again and it's another 8-12 weeks.

    Probate was lodged for a friend of mine in mid Jan this year. It finally cleared at the end of August.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭arleitiss


    -snip-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭Spooch


    Just received our loan offer today. We put in our application 3 and a half weeks ago. Received AIP 1 week after that. Received loan offer today. All in all took ~26 days from application to loan offer. This was with PTSB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Has anyone any experience using a credit union loan for home buying rather than a mortgage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    Fair play… I’m still waiting on an offer letter from Haven almost 6 weeks after the application going in for the second time after the first one expired… I have to say it bothers me having to go through a broker, don’t think I would use one again only for the €5k cashback



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    Hi Everyone, Im new to buying my first home, so I dont have a ton of knowledge.

    My Wife and I got mortgage approval and the bank is ready to give us the money when we find a home.

    We've found 2 properties we like and have bid on one of them and have been the highest bidder (well above asking price) for a number of weeks now.

    Does anybody have any tips what to do now? Is the seller just sitting waiting for a higher bid/bidding race to happen, and should we pull out and bid on the other property we like? It's a little frustrating.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Iris11111


    Ask the EA for update and put a final timeline for answer. Like our offer is valid till ...We had similar and spoke with the EA then it was him and vendors chasing us whether we are still in the game or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭CalisGirl


    How long are aib valuations taking from booking the valuation to receiving the report? They told me 7-10 working days but I'm a bit skeptical.



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    Thanks for all the help to everyone here. I have one last question, and I'll use hypothetical numbers for it.

    Let's say I have 100k saved, and am approved for 500k by the bank. What is the guideline on how much of that 500k should be used to buy the property? 80%? 90%? Im asking because I would also need money for stamp duty, solicitor and so on, correct? Or do I need that in extra saving on top of the 100k that will be used for the down payment?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Iris11111


    Stamp duty, solicitor expenses are on you not on the bank. If you are a FTB you need 10 % from your 100K and then the rest 90 % of the bank approval of the price of the house. All stamp duties, solicitor expenses evaluator, surveyor it is all on you. It all depends where the house is - as the prices different areas are different ( solicitor, surveyor etc.)

    The bank may approve you for 500K but they will only lend out those 90 /80 % ( FTB/STB) that will match the price of the property.



  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    Thanks a lot for the explanation! This process is so confusing, :) Really appreciate it!



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Blaa.boy


    Hi Just wondering is it possible to draw down early before closing date? E.g. house ready end of October and drawdown end of September so funds with solicitor and ready to go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭macnug




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭tobsey


    If it’s a new build the bank mightn’t release the funds until it’s complete as the house won’t be at its full market value until it’s complete. If it’s second hand then you probably could, but a months interest is very expensive if you’re not living in the property.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Blaa.boy


    Thanks for information. Its a new build so that's good to know. 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭sillysocks


    I asked this on a property thread but might be more relevant here….

    Has anyone any experience in the bank needing to “qualify the title” on a new house and how long that can take? Have come up against it, and it’s a small issue so hopefully not complicated, but know it will take time but no idea how long?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭macnug


    Where at that stage now but with a second hand property. Solicitor send the bank the information to the bank and then the bank responds so it depends on how long it takes both parties, if its a small issue and the bank accepts then it should be a couple of weeks. If the bank does not accept the issue then how long is a piece of string.

    Im both buying and selling a property, both have issues and my solicitor expects to close in about 6 weeks all going well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,779 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    It does depend on the qualification and whether ther bank require furture documentation.

    The most common type of "qualification" I've seen is when the development/estate/shared areas haven't been taken in charge by the council and there is no "formal" management company in place - maybe a residents association or otherwise.

    The bank can sometimes look from something from the residents committee to outline exactly what their responsibilities etc are (this is usually pushed back on the vendors solicitor IF it is required.

    I've seen qualification as be as little as a couple of weeks delay but my experience is fairly limited.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭sillysocks


    Sorry I said “new” house but it’s second hand. New to us!

    An issue with planning certs and docs for an extension. Planning in place but not all docs. Can’t be fixed so needs to be qualified.

    Closing has already been delayed two and a half months for various issues and now this has come to light so very frustrating. Would love if banks were more transparent with timelines!



  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭HairySalmon


    I’ve recently started a new job with a bigger, better performing multinational and haven’t changed fields, could these factors exempt me from needing to wait until the end of my probation with AIB?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭Sniipe


    Hi all, I have a tracker mortgage and am looking to switch property. With AIB I can keep my tracker rate plus 1% in addition.

    My new house (2nd hand property) will require more money. Is it possible to keep the tracker plus 1% with AIB and to use someone else like ICS Mortgages (cheapest variable on switcher.ie)?

    If so where would my house deeds be kept?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Ive seen a few cases where the planning has been granted but the plans for that have been lost by the authorities and are so old the current owner doesnt even have a copy anymore. Your solicitor will do their best to get them to find the plans, but if it turns out they cant be found its just a case of, we know there is planning, planners sent us a letter saying they know there is planning. Go ahead with the sale and dont worry about it. Noone is going to come telling you to know it down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    As far as I understand, how much you have saved doesn't matter.

    You need 10% deposit for FTB.

    Mortgage amount is 3.5 times your salary.

    So your 500k has to be 90% of the sale price.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Friend of mine changed companies in construction industry and it was no problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭HairySalmon


    Good to know since that’s been a bit of a volatile industry since COVID!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Emma2019


    This is incorrect. You can put as much additional cash towards a house purchase as you want.

    The maximum a bank will lend is 3.5 times salary, and you need to have a minimum of 10% of the property as a deposit (if FTB).

    If you have 100k saved and approval for 500k you can buy a 600k house (ignoring fees and stamp duty).

    In reality you can buy a house of around 585k as you will have to pay 5,850 stamp duty and around 3,500 for legal fees and it is usually a good idea to have some spare cash for emergency works plus if you have to buy any appliances.

    Also just to add, you dont need to have all your money when you go sale agreed. You'll only need to have it all for drawdown so you can use the interim between sale agreed and drawdown to save for the stamp duty and solicitor fees etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    No, you can’t have mortgages with two separate companies.

    so your choice is AIB with the current tracker +1 for what’s left of your mortgage and a top up of ‘new’ mortgage from AIB at whatever rate they offer for that portion of the mortgage

    or

    new mortgage from different company at whatever rate you can get



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Jasna1982


    Hey guys,

    Two separate questions:

    1. I put a booking deposit down on a new build. Contracts are due in October. I have everything sent in to the bank for my letter of offer, but the only thing that's missing is a house number. The bank needs it to issue letter of offer, and the estate agent doesn't have it yet. Am I right in assuming that when the contract is sent, it will include the house number? I'm guessing since you sign a contract specifically for your house, it should include the full address.
    2. Drawdown most likely won't be until April next year, and that's at the very earliest. I'm expecting some delays. If I were to spend some money on a vacation for the end of this year, would the banks look unfavourably at that? I have more than enough saved to cover the deposit, solicitor fees, stamp duty and the cost of furniture and still have a decent amount left. So financially I can do it. I'm just wondering if the bank will have a problem if I spend 3 grand on a holiday in November

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    1. Correct, the contract will include the full address and likely a map indicating which house/plot
    2. Generally the bank will have no issue if you show a good track record of saving and show you can manage your money - as long as you can show you have the affordability there’s no issue spending money - you’ll find you’ll need to put down deposits for things etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Iris11111


    Drawdown today - keys by Friday. Major delay in drawdown at the moment with the banks - but after 10 days of chasing they released the funds today.

    This forum was a major help for information through the steps of the journey. Thanks to everybody for sharing - very helpful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭Sniipe


    Thank you for the reply Dodge, AIB has confirmed the same with me. It makes sense.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Miller Ambitious Crucifix


    What is the norm for paying a solicitor for conveyancing? I have an itemised quote that includes professional fees, searches, registry fees etc. I was thinking the associated fees up front and the professional fees on completion would be reasonable? The solicitor has given no info on how they usually are paid. I can obviously ask them but wondering what others have done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    It probably varies, but I would expect a certain amount or percentage upfront and then the balance upon drawdown or some variation of that - I wouldn’t pay them the whole lot upfront because then there’s no motivation for them to respond to your queries etc, no different than any other service you would hire. Not that they will be any quicker without paying them - many solicitors will give you the bare minimum either way.

    In our case I think €200 up front and then the balance upon drawdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Friend of mine just paid €500 up front. Quoted price for solicitor fees was around €1,500 . Estimated cost including all the the 'add ons' like stamp duty, searches etc was about €5,200 afaik.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭evancunny95


    My partner and I are in the very early stages of applying for a mortgage, and if the process wasnt complicated enough as it is, my partner is a German national who lives and works in Germany. Our plan if we manage to buy a home is for her to continue working in her job and commute back and forth to Germany until her contract expires. The commute isnt an issue life style wise as her job is very flexible remote working etc but I am wondering what kind of impact or issue this could cause in our joint morgage application.


    My thinking is that these sorts of issues must occur across the EU where citizens work in one state but live and draw down a mortgage in another and surely it must even hapen here around the border with the North. I reckon the best way forward is to talk to a mortgage broker but I just wanted to see if anyone else has been through similar and what their experience was.

    Thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 OscarBluth


    I think the biggest issue you'll have is that it sounds like she has a fixed term contract and isn't a permanent employee: that was the biggest sticking point when we were in a similar situation. If memory serves we had to provide all bank statements from all accounts held in the other country, contract of employment, possibly even a letter from employers. If it was the UK, some banks discount for currency fluctuations, which obviously doesn't apply: they may take into account commuting costs. But it was manageable. We didn't use a broker, we just approached our bank to see if it was a possibility and went with them: a broker might make the process smoother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭evancunny95


    Thank Oscar, good to hear that at the very least it can be done. I had a feeling that there would be a lot more documentation needed, was even wondering whos respobsibility it would be to have that translated. I think the contract thing may just be how the Germans opperate with lecturers in universities as she tells me that she is actually classified as a public sector worker and has quite a long contract compared length to the standard for most lecturers.

    I agree that probably laying everything out clearly to a mortgage broker and letting them do the explaining each time is probably the easiest way to go! Thanks again



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Blaa.boy


    Does anybody know if it's possible to sign contracts before loan offer. Have AIP it's requested but might not be in by deadline that allows additional extras in new build. Thanks



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