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Hamas mass-murderer Ahlam al-Tamimi

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  • #52
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭utyh2ikcq9z76b


    rapul wrote: »
    Fair play to end of the road, don't have it in me to reply properly now, but I agree with the points made in reply to our analyst there

    It's all part of Israeli propaganda they have army of cyber trolls
    https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/guide-dealing-zionist-trolls-and-their-facts

    Better not to engage with them. Ireland is at the forefront as we have voted mainly pro Occupied Territories Bill TDs


  • #53
    rapul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    Samir Lazy Aerosol wrote: »
    It's all part of Israeli propaganda they have army of cyber trolls
    https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/guide-dealing-zionist-trolls-and-their-facts

    Better not to engage with them. Ireland is at the forefront as we have voted mainly pro Occupied Territories Bill TDs

    I know, was my first thought tbh, ah I'm not going to get into it now don't have it in me, like I said fair play to the above, but whatever plans bibi had have been put on hold, for now anyway, time will tell.


  • #54
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    They happen a lot in an ongoing conflict.




    ...a conflict in which Israel is the aggressor.

    political analyst wrote: »
    That's out of context. There wouldn't have been annexation if the Arab nations hadn't tried to destroy Israel.




    Annexation of territory by force is illegal under international law. Repopulating areas with the occupiers civilian population is again illegal under international law. Russia's annexation of Crimea is a violation of international law, Saddam Husseins attempted annexation of Kuwait was a violation of International law. Why should Israels thuggery be viewed any differently?


  • #55
    Sabella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭Sabella


    political analyst wrote: »
    They happen a lot in an ongoing conflict.




    That is nothing to do with the Sbarro restaurant bombing. I've explained that recent killing. We don't know all the facts yet. Al-Tamimi was joyful when she talked about the Sbarro restaurant bombing, in which she was involved. Being joyful is not something associated with feelings of hurt. The people in that restaurant didn't do anything to her or her family but you've ignored that point.



    That's out of context. There wouldn't have been annexation if the Arab nations hadn't tried to destroy Israel.

    Again your username is misleading because you seem biased in your assertions

    1. You say the killing of civilians is common as it is a part of ongoing conflict? The bombing of the restaurant is the killing of civilians albeit by alternative and Disgusting method.

    2. When a poster highlights the shooting of a civilian in a wheelchair you brush it aside and refer back to the restaurant bombing. In relation to the shooting of the civilians you also say we don’t have the full facts. When will we get them and would you please post them here so we can analyse them.

    The divide between Arabs and Muslims dates back to the time of Abraham and before it is very complex and there have been atrocities by Christian, Muslim and Judaism since that time in that region. You seem focused on one particular bombing but there have been many throughout Israel over the last number of decades and so again I would recommend reading a little more in-depth in the subject and the region and maybe consider changing your username.

    I do not in any way condone violence of any form against any human being but I do have an issue with one sided political analysis


  • #56
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    An interesting article on why Netanyahu is holding back any action on annexation at least for the moment
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-many-will-take-credit-but-this-is-the-real-reason-netanyahu-delayed-his-annexation-1.8963894


  • #57
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes, the same bds who israel and it's die hard supporters are scared of.



    i wouldn't be so sure about that.
    push people hard enough and they will do the ultimate bad.
    no it's not right, but the israely government and their behaviour are ultimately to blame for these actions happening.
    if they behaved like a normal country then they wouldn't have anything near the issues they have.



    no there wouldn't have been, the land they got was the land they were ever going to get.
    it wouldn't have mattered what they would have accepted, the reality is we would have been where we are currently in the end.

    Look at the map in which the UN partition plan was drawn and you'll see that an Arab state in the former Mandatory Palestine would have had far more land than just the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.


  • #58
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Sabella wrote: »
    Again your username is misleading because you seem biased in your assertions

    1. You say the killing of civilians is common as it is a part of ongoing conflict? The bombing of the restaurant is the killing of civilians albeit by alternative and Disgusting method.
    The difference is that Israeli military operations were not intended to kill civilians - the Sbarro restaurant bombing was.
    Sabella wrote: »
    2. When a poster highlights the shooting of a civilian in a wheelchair you brush it aside and refer back to the restaurant bombing. In relation to the shooting of the civilians you also say we don’t have the full facts. When will we get them and would you please post them here so we can analyse them.
    I did no such thing. It's possible that the sharpshooter was aiming that militants who were throwing missiles and thus didn't intend to hit the wheelchair-bound person.


  • #59
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...a conflict in which Israel is the aggressor.


    It wouldn't have happened if the Arab nations hadn't tried to destroy Israel. Israel didn't start the conflict and thus can't be the aggressor. Recognition by most of the international community is moral justification of a state's existence.


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Annexation of territory by force is illegal under international law. Repopulating areas with the occupiers civilian population is again illegal under international law. Russia's annexation of Crimea is a violation of international law, Saddam Husseins attempted annexation of Kuwait was a violation of International law. Why should Israels thuggery be viewed any differently?

    Ukraine wasn't going to invade Russia. The West Bank hasn't legally belonged to any state since 1948. Hence, not the same.

    Israel's self-defence is not thuggery.


  • #60
    Sabella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭Sabella


    Look you are fully entitled to your opinion, this could go around and around and around, I respect your stance but I’m opting out. I hope the situation can be resolved eventually in that part of the world through communication and peace and not violence

    All the best


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  • #61
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    political analyst wrote: »
    The difference is that Israeli military operations were not intended to kill civilians - the Sbarro restaurant bombing was.


    I did no such thing. It's possible that the sharpshooter was aiming that militants who were throwing missiles and thus didn't intend to hit the wheelchair-bound person.

    This is a blatant lie, there are many instances of IDF soldiers killing innocent civilians including children.


  • #62
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    The difference is that Israeli military operations were not intended to kill civilians -


    ...in my eye. You've heard of the policy "mowing the grass"? When Israel decides to incur into Gaza, do you wonder why they give the operations names like "Days of Penitence?"

    political analyst wrote: »
    I did no such thing. It's possible that the sharpshooter was aiming that militants who were throwing missiles and thus didn't intend to hit the wheelchair-bound person.


    So you support lads chucking a few stones being gunned down? Do you think they should do the same in NI when trouble breaks out?

    ...yet, he managed to miss by hitting a civillian square in the head. It's a defining feature of the IDF over decades that their misses with direct rifle fire nearly always hit in the head. Like the good old days in Gaza, when one of the best ways to get killed was to mark yourself out as a UN worker. Their heads seemed to be bullet magnets too.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/4534620.stm


    Shooting those who mark themselves as civillians or medics is a proud tradition that continues to this day
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/israeli-soldiers-kill-teenage-palestinian-medic-near-bethlehem





    Also schoolgirls seem to be legitimate targets

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/06/israel



    https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/palestinian-family-blames-israeli-sniper-for-deaths-of-two-children-20040524-gdizh5.html



    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel


  • #63
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    It wouldn't have happened if the Arab nations hadn't tried to destroy Israel. Israel didn't start the conflict and thus can't be the aggressor.




    Nonsense. It's been colonising the area since 1967 - an act of aggression and colonialism.


    political analyst wrote: »
    I


    Israel's self-defence is not thuggery.


    ...building semi-detatched housing in occupied land is "self defence" now?


    Israels actions are the ugly face of colonialism, the best comparison lying with Apartheid era South Africa. There are two tiers of laws and treatment for those living in the occupied territories - one for the colonists and one for the colonised.


  • #64
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    One could argue that because Israel has mandatory conscription and everyone is expected to fight even after their time in the military if needs be, that no Israeli is a civilian.


  • #65
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The apartheid nature of the regime, writ large

    The full position paper please support our work
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    Collective punishment contradicts the right to personal liberty and the right to fair trial. It is prohibited by international humanitarian law, which grants the military commander the authority to act in the occupied territory, and which establishes that punishment of an offense must be grounded in individual responsibility.
    This position paper presents two cases that vary in time, place, cause and effect. In both cases, the Israeli army collectively penalizes a large population that did nothing wrong and denies innocent people their right to freedom of movement.
    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/files.yesh-din.org/Collective+Punishment/Collective+punishment+English.pdf


  • #66
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The slow but steady annexation of Palestinians land to the benefit of Israeli colonists


    Soon after the Palestinian Authority put the cities and towns of the occupied West Bank under COVID-19 lockdown in late March, Amer Abu Hijleh received a call from a fellow farmer telling him that Israeli settlers were working his land.
    Abu Hijleh, 56, hung up and immediately left his home in the village of Deir Istiya, and drove toward his land, located in Area C of the West Bank next to the Israeli settlement of Yakir. Upon arrival, Abu Hijleh discovered that settlers had begun digging a hole in the ground after uprooting some shrubbery.
    https://www.972mag.com/settlers-area-c-occupation/?fbclid=IwAR0QvqgAztwkAkRSJVI_q6bA5_85oRd8KlSPfu5dyR4dkNFc1gpCDzAkkyA


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  • #67
    rapul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    All I can say is ****ing disgraceful.

    "why are you angry it's just a swimming pool for our children"

    On stolen land.


  • #68
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...in my eye. You've heard of the policy "mowing the grass"? When Israel decides to incur into Gaza, do you wonder why they give the operations names like "Days of Penitence?"





    So you support lads chucking a few stones being gunned down? Do you think they should do the same in NI when trouble breaks out?

    ...yet, he managed to miss by hitting a civillian square in the head. It's a defining feature of the IDF over decades that their misses with direct rifle fire nearly always hit in the head. Like the good old days in Gaza, when one of the best ways to get killed was to mark yourself out as a UN worker. Their heads seemed to be bullet magnets too.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/4534620.stm


    Shooting those who mark themselves as civillians or medics is a proud tradition that continues to this day
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/israeli-soldiers-kill-teenage-palestinian-medic-near-bethlehem





    Also schoolgirls seem to be legitimate targets

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/06/israel



    https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/palestinian-family-blames-israeli-sniper-for-deaths-of-two-children-20040524-gdizh5.html



    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel

    If Palestinian protestors don't want themselves or medics to be shot then they shouldn't throw stones.

    By the way, Northern Ireland was - and still is - part of a democratic country, the UK. Gaza is merely part of a failed state with a nominally recognised but corrupt government. Being Palestinian is an artificial national identity that had no meaningful existence before the Six-Day War.


  • #69
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Nonsense. It's been colonising the area since 1967 - an act of aggression and colonialism.






    ...building semi-detatched housing in occupied land is "self defence" now?


    Israels actions are the ugly face of colonialism, the best comparison lying with Apartheid era South Africa. There are two tiers of laws and treatment for those living in the occupied territories - one for the colonists and one for the colonised.

    Occupied from which country? The West Bank hasn't legally belonged to any country since 1948. If the Arab nations hadn't invaded in 1967 ......

    A comparison to apartheid South Africa while claiming the Israeli presence in the West Bank makes no sense because Palestinians in the West Bank (except for Jerusalem) never had Israeli citizenship because they were never residents in recognised Israeli territory but disenfranchised black people in South Africa were recognised as citizens of South Africa.

    As for al-Tamimi, any time she has spoken about her crime when interviewed it is as if she's becoming sexually excited.


  • #70
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    If Palestinian protestors don't want themselves or medics to be shot then they shouldn't throw stones. .


    They shoot and kill anyone they feel like, not just stone throwers, as I showed with a few links there.

    They should lie down then, and be walked over by the occupation forces?
    political analyst wrote: »
    By the way, Northern Ireland was - and still is - part of a democratic country, the UK. Gaza is merely part of a failed state with a nominally recognised but corrupt government. Being Palestinian is an artificial national identity that had no meaningful existence before the Six-Day War.


    A nonsense, as the Palestinian identity pre-dates WW1.

    political analyst wrote: »
    A comparison to apartheid South Africa while claiming the Israeli presence in the West Bank makes no sense because Palestinians in the West Bank (except for Jerusalem) never had Israeli citizenship because they were never residents in recognised Israeli territory but disenfranchised black people in South Africa were recognised as citizens of South Africa.

    Intellectual dishonesty. The population in the West Bank is essentially under Israeli control and occupation, and Israel operates a two tier legal system, settler only areas, roads and so on. It also does nothing to protect palestinians from settler/colonist violence
    https://testimonies.yesh-din.org/en/

    https://www.btselem.org/?fbclid=IwAR1NoFtzUmLe1A5OpBHmgvIvAulkV56DM1fO3v6nH-EX7jhj1qvE8FSQdzo


  • #71
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    political analyst wrote: »
    If Palestinian protestors don't want themselves or medics to be shot then they shouldn't throw stones.

    By the way, Northern Ireland was - and still is - part of a democratic country, the UK. Gaza is merely part of a failed state with a nominally recognised but corrupt government. Being Palestinian is an artificial national identity that had no meaningful existence before the Six-Day War.

    To paraphrase your opening post, what did those medics ever do to the IDF to deserve being killed?

    There's plenty of blame to throw around, and innocents' deaths to mourn, in the middle east, and this sort of hypocrisy is one reason its still going on.


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  • #72
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    To paraphrase your opening post, what did those medics ever do to the IDF to deserve being killed?

    There's plenty of blame to throw around, and innocents' deaths to mourn, in the middle east, and this sort of hypocrisy is one reason its still going on.

    Nothing - the IDF didn't intend to kill them.

    Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups put them in harm's way. It's like, let's say, if a bank security guard in the US opens fire on a robber and an innocent person is fatally hit by the bullet instead, the robber would be guilty of felony murder.


  • #73
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Odhinn wrote: »
    They shoot and kill anyone they feel like, not just stone throwers, as I showed with a few links there.

    Those links tell one side of the story.
    Odhinn wrote: »
    They should lie down then, and be walked over by the occupation forces?
    Not lying down in front of bulldozers would be a start.







    Odhinn wrote: »
    A nonsense, as the Palestinian identity pre-dates WW1.

    No difference between them and other Arabs in what was then the Ottoman Empire.


  • #74
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    Those links tell one side of the story.
    They tell about children gunned down by aimed sniper fire. Do please tell me the 'other side'



    political analyst wrote:
    Not lying down in front of bulldozers would be a start.


    Again - what do you suggest they do?




    political analyst wrote: »
    No difference between them and other Arabs in what was then the Ottoman Empire.




    Arab identity is not some homogenous mass.


  • #75
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    Nothing - the IDF didn't intend to kill them.

    Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups put them in harm's way. It's like, let's say, if a bank security guard in the US opens fire on a robber and an innocent person is fatally hit by the bullet instead, the robber would be guilty of felony murder.




    Absolute rubbish.


  • #76
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    political analyst wrote: »
    If Palestinian protestors don't want themselves or medics to be shot then they shouldn't throw stones.

    nope, murdering someone is not a valid response to stone throwing, suggesting that protesters are responsible for being slaughtered because is victim blaming gibberish.
    the IDF and them alone are the only ones responsible for slaughtering people just because.
    political analyst wrote: »
    By the way, Northern Ireland was - and still is - part of a democratic country, the UK.

    only via the threat of force, and democracy didn't really exist in NI until the last coupl of decades.
    + the british government via their loyalist proxis and the british army were well known for allowing and even facilitating and supporting the killing of civilians.
    so the comparisons are valid.
    political analyst wrote: »
    Gaza is merely part of a failed state with a nominally recognised but corrupt government. Being Palestinian is an artificial national identity that had no meaningful existence before the Six-Day War.

    israel is a state which claims to be democratic, but which is really an aparthide sectarian expansionist state, who's goal is to ultimately take as much land as it can get on the basis of a book told them it belongs to them, who breaches international law on such a level that other countries in the area are made to look reasonable dispite themselves engaging in horific abuses.
    Being israely is an identity that had no meaningful existence before 1948 itself.
    well you did decide to play this game.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #77
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    political analyst wrote: »
    Occupied from which country? The West Bank hasn't legally belonged to any country since 1948. If the Arab nations hadn't invaded in 1967 ......

    A comparison to apartheid South Africa while claiming the Israeli presence in the West Bank makes no sense because Palestinians in the West Bank (except for Jerusalem) never had Israeli citizenship because they were never residents in recognised Israeli territory but disenfranchised black people in South Africa were recognised as citizens of South Africa.

    As for al-Tamimi, any time she has spoken about her crime when interviewed it is as if she's becoming sexually excited.

    if the arab nations hadn't defended themselves in 1967 then chances are israel would have expanded into them, if not then then definitely by now.
    comparison to apartheid South Africa is absolutely valid, because israel decided to steal these people's lands and brutalise them and give them no rights. the fact they aren't israely citizens doesn't invalidate the comparison, the comparison remains valid because the treatment of both outfits against those they deem to be lesser then them because, is similar if not the same.
    political analyst wrote: »
    Nothing - the IDF didn't intend to kill them.

    Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups put them in harm's way. It's like, let's say, if a bank security guard in the US opens fire on a robber and an innocent person is fatally hit by the bullet instead, the robber would be guilty of felony murder.

    except they did, they fired specifically at them.
    the IDF deliberately opened fire on them dispite knowing who they were, they chose to do it.
    there is no comparison between this and your bank robber situation as in america such a situation is a point of law, whereas the IDF are engaging in deliberate breaches of law.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #78
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    political analyst wrote: »
    Those links tell one side of the story.

    they don't, they tell the actual story.
    there is mountains of stuff to show the IDF'S behaviour.
    political analyst wrote: »
    Not lying down in front of bulldozers would be a start.

    a start for what? essentially rolling over and allowing the occupiers to steal everything they own?
    given the bulldozers belonging to the brutalising, occupation forces are coming to demolish these people's homes just because they want the land, then why shouldn't the owners of those homes resist this from happening?
    can i come along with a bulldozer tomorrow and demolish your home and take your land? if i did what would you do about it? what do you think would happen to me if you decided to just do nothing?
    i would definitely be arrested, that is an absolute certainty and rightly so.
    actually, i probably would get shot by the ERU.
    political analyst wrote: »
    No difference between them and other Arabs in what was then the Ottoman Empire.

    ah yes, the old nonsense trope "shur they're all da same begorra"
    well nope, there are many different identities among arab people.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #79
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    political analyst wrote: »
    If Palestinian protestors don't want themselves or medics to be shot then they shouldn't throw stones.

    Summary execution without trial by state forces for civillian protesters who might throw stones that represent no possible threat to anyone.

    Idf, the terrorist enforcers of a terrorist state.


  • #80
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    political analyst wrote: »
    If Palestinian protestors don't want themselves or medics to be shot then they shouldn't throw stones.

    Summary execution without trial by state forces for civillian protesters who might throw stones that represent no possible threat to anyone.

    Idf, the terrorist enforcers of a terrorist state.


  • #81
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    political analyst wrote: »
    Not lying down in front of bulldozers would be a start.

    Are these the Israeli bulldozers that are outside Israel destroying people's homes?


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  • #82
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    end of the road wrote: »
    nope, murdering someone is not a valid response to stone throwing, suggesting that protesters are responsible for being slaughtered because is victim blaming gibberish.
    the IDF and them alone are the only ones responsible for slaughtering people just because.
    It's not murder - it's justified retaliation against combatants (that's what the stonethrowers are!) in a warzone.

    The protesters are guilty of sheer stupidity. It's obvious that you are antisemitic.


  • #83
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    end of the road wrote: »
    except they did, they fired specifically at them.
    the IDF deliberately opened fire on them dispite knowing who they were, they chose to do it.
    there is no comparison between this and your bank robber situation as in america such a situation is a point of law, whereas the IDF are engaging in deliberate breaches of law.

    There's no credible testimony to support that accusation. What you're saying about the Israel Defence Forces is classic 'blood libel'.


  • #84
    rapul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    political analyst wrote: »
    It's not murder - it's justified retaliation against combatants (that's what the stonethrowers are!) in a warzone.

    The protesters are guilty of sheer stupidity. It's obvious that you are antisemitic.

    Ah the oul antisemitic comment comes out, can't say a bad word about the IDF and how they take precise shots at children and medics without that old chestnut, you have lost any credibility.
    Your clearly an Israeli keyboard warrior

    Are children playing on a beach combatants?


  • #85
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    political analyst wrote: »
    It's not murder - it's justified retaliation against combatants (that's what the stonethrowers are!) in a warzone.

    Don be silly now. First, it's not a war zone, it's a vicious illegal, hostile occupation. Civillian protesters are not combatants stones or not.


  • #86
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    [quote="political

    The protesters are guilty of sheer stupidity. It's obvious that you are antisemitic.[/quote]

    You obviously don't know the difference between antisemitism and anti zionism/facism.


  • #87
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    political analyst wrote: »
    It's not murder - it's justified retaliation against combatants (that's what the stonethrowers are!) in a warzone.

    The protesters are guilty of sheer stupidity. It's obvious that you are antisemitic.

    One sentence combatants, the next protesters again because you know yourself even how stupid it sounds to refer to them as combatants


  • #88
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    There's no credible testimony to support that accusation. What you're saying about the Israel Defence Forces is classic 'blood libel'.

    We have countless numbers of well documented incidents when the IDF has targeted civillians and children. Theres nothing 'blood libel' about it.

    Do you support the colonisation of the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem, Golan etc


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    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    political analyst wrote: »
    It's not murder - it's justified retaliation against combatants (that's what the stonethrowers are!) in a warzone.

    The protesters are guilty of sheer stupidity. It's obvious that you are antisemitic.


    it's murdering of civilian protesters. that is what happened.
    stone throwers and protesters are not combatants, so again victim blaming gibberish.
    the protesters are guilty of stone throwing, nothing more. stone throwing generally isn't being punishable by being murdered in most countries.
    calling out a state for breaching international law via colonisation, land theft, ethnic cleansing and more is not anti-semetic or anti any religion.
    criticising saudi arabia or iran for their abuses would be islamaphobic going on your logic.
    the anti-semetic trope doesn't work any more, nobody is scared any more of being called anti-semetic when they know and everyone else knows they aren't and that is as it should be.
    political analyst wrote: »
    There's no credible testimony to support that accusation. What you're saying about the Israel Defence Forces is classic 'blood libel'.

    it's not classic blood liable, but classic fact.
    the testimony to the fact that they were deliberately killed by the israely army is credible and plenty of it exists.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



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    political analyst
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    One sentence combatants, the next protesters again because you know yourself even how stupid it sounds to refer to them as combatants

    There's peaceful protest and there's violent protest.


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    political analyst
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    end of the road wrote: »
    it's murdering of civilian protesters. that is what happened.
    stone throwers and protesters are not combatants, so again victim blaming gibberish.
    the protesters are guilty of stone throwing, nothing more. stone throwing generally isn't being punishable by being murdered in most countries.
    calling out a state for breaching international law via colonisation, land theft, ethnic cleansing and more is not anti-semetic or anti any religion.
    criticising saudi arabia or iran for their abuses would be islamaphobic going on your logic.
    the anti-semetic trope doesn't work any more, nobody is scared any more of being called anti-semetic when they know and everyone else knows they aren't and that is as it should be.



    it's not classic blood liable, but classic fact.
    the testimony to the fact that they were deliberately killed by the israely army is credible and plenty of it exists.

    Stone-throwing is thuggery. Those who were shot got what they deserved.

    As for your comparison to Islamophobia, did the Muslim people as a collective group suffer what the Jewish people suffered in the 1930s and 1940s?


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    political analyst
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    We have countless numbers of well documented incidents when the IDF has targeted civillians and children. Theres nothing 'blood libel' about it.

    Do you support the colonisation of the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem, Golan etc

    Based on testimony that should be taken with a pinch of salt.

    The occupation took place in response to the threat posed by Arab nations in 1967.


  • #93
    political analyst
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Are these the Israeli bulldozers that are outside Israel destroying people's homes?

    Only homes in which suicide bombers lived and many of whose relatives condone what they did.


  • #94
    rapul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    political analyst wrote: »
    Stone-throwing is thuggery. Those who were shot got what they deserved.

    Wow. Bow out now your posts and views are just horrific.

    You clearly have your own agenda here and are just stuck in your sick ways of thinking.

    And answer the question put to you about colonisation above, I see you conveniently skipped that.


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    Auguste Comte
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    rapul wrote: »
    Wow. Bow out now your posts and views are just horrific.

    You clearly have your own agenda here and are just stuck in your sick ways of thinking.

    Leave him on. Let the world see how the racist zionist/fascist regime see the world.


  • #96
    political analyst
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    rapul wrote: »
    Wow. Bow out now your posts and views are just horrific.

    You clearly have your own agenda here and are just stuck in your sick ways of thinking.

    And answer the question put to you about colonisation above, I see you conveniently skipped that.

    Strategic self-defence in response to the Six-Day War, which the Arab nations started.


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  • #97
    political analyst
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    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Leave him on. Let the world see how the racist zionist/fascist regime see the world.

    Ah, the "Zionist World Government" conspiracy theory - that old chestnut! :rolleyes:


  • #98
    rapul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    political analyst wrote: »
    Strategic self-defence in response to the Six-Day War, which the Arab nations started.

    Absolute bull****. 50 years later its still going on and would have happened on July 1st if not for coronavirus, are you in favour of annexing the West Bank which Jared Kushner and Bibi are going for?


  • #99
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    Stone-throwing is thuggery. Those who were shot got what they deserved.

    ....being shot down by a military engaged in an illegal occupation and the supresion of the native populace.


    political analyst wrote: »
    Based on testimony that should be taken with a pinch of salt.


    Given the number of deaths caused by the IDF you'd be out of salt very quickly.

    political analyst wrote: »
    The occupation took place in response to the threat posed by Arab nations in 1967. .



    Regardless, the occupation and colonisation of the areas are against international law.


    As I asked earlier - do you support the colonisation of the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem and the Golan?


  • #100
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    political analyst wrote: »
    Only homes in which suicide bombers lived and many of whose relatives condone what they did.




    Collective punishment is against the geneva conventions.

    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/files.yesh-din.org/Collective+Punishment/Collective+punishment+English.pdf


  • #101
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    political analyst wrote: »
    Only homes in which suicide bombers lived and many of whose relatives condone what they did.

    What would be the legal basis for this reprehensible behaviour?

    Is this a common practice in any civilised country?


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