Hamas mass-murderer Ahlam al-Tamimi

political analyst · 29-06-2020 3:02pm #1

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/jordan-king-urged-block-extradition-convicted-bomber-200617100616009.html

The family of Ahlam al-Tamimi who is wanted by the United States for her role in a suicide bombing in Israel in 2001 has appealed to King Abdullah II to resist American pressure to extradite her.

Al-Tamimi - a Jordanian citizen who was convicted in Israel and sentenced to multiple life sentences after 15 people, including two Israeli-Americans, were killed in the blast - was released to Jordan in a prisoner swap between Hamas and Israel in 2011.

In an interview with Al Jazeera in 2017, Ahlam al-Tamimi said she never knew American nationals were killed in the bombing and the Israeli government never mentioned that during her trial.

"The first time I ever knew that Americans were killed was when the Interpol in Jordan told me about the charges filed in the US against me," she said.

Whatever about her contempt towards the Israeli government, why does al-Tamimi hate Jewish people?

What did the people who were in the Sbarro pizza restaurant on that afternoon on 9 Ausgust 2001 ever do to her?

From what I've read about the case, it's quite clear that al-Tamimi is a psychopath.

Zebra3 · 29-06-2020 4:05pm

Why do jewish people hate Palestinians and ethnically cleanse them?

political analyst · 29-06-2020 4:31pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Why do jewish people hate Palestinians and ethnically cleanse them?

They don't.

Israeli military operations are aimed at terrorists and the killing of civilians in those operations is unintentional.

Gatling · 29-06-2020 4:34pm

I'm only surprised Israeli intelligence services haven't dealt with her

DeadHand · 29-06-2020 4:42pm

The Palestinian population has been increasing steadily by 100,000 a year over the last 5 years.

If the Israelis are “ethnically cleansing” them, they are doing a poor job of it.

Or maybe it’s a situation like that of Ibrahim Halawi, who succeeded in visibly gaining weight despite a torturous incarceration that included a period of hunger strike.

Odhinn · 29-06-2020 4:44pm

political analyst wrote: »

They don't.

Israeli military operations are aimed at terrorists and the killing of civilians in those operations is unintentional.

Really?
https://mondoweiss.net/2020/06/after-several-long-minutes-of-pleading-israeli-forces-shot-eyad-al-halaq-anyway/?fbclid=IwAR3Rk3B74ESwdxL1yciZpTSftx_xkuPodsu3ayyODldBfcm1ZYGgIIPI8ns

You're positive now?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/the-military-first-took-his-legs-then-his-life-1.5628827

As Israeli troops are illegally occupying the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem and Golan, why aren't they described as "terrorists"? Certainly their activities fit then bill, and thats without getting into the crimes of the settler/colonists they stand by without intervening.

LiquidZeb · 29-06-2020 4:49pm

DeadHand wrote: »

The Palestinian population has been increasing steadily by 100,000 a year over the last 5 years.

If the Israelis are “ethnically cleansing” them, they are doing a poor job of it.

Or maybe it’s a situation like an esteemed former guest of Palestine, Ibrahim Halawi, who succeeded in visibly gaining weight despite a torturous incarceration that included a period hunger strike.

Never knew Palestine was in Egypt. If you're going to go on some anti immigrant rant at least get your geography right.

Zebra3 · 29-06-2020 8:12pm

DeadHand wrote: »

The Palestinian population has been increasing steadily by 100,000 a year over the last 5 years.

If the Israelis are “ethnically cleansing” them, they are doing a poor job of it.

Yes, and you know quite well that Israeli state terrorists demolish houses of Palestinian citizens in occupied territory in breach of international law.

29-06-2020 8:15pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yes, and you know quite well that Israeli state terrorists demolish houses of Palestinian citizens in occupied territory in breach of international law.

Im near certain they blockade and dont allow materials for rebuilding in either

Whatever the rights and wrong of hamas,pretty much impossible to feel sorry for isreal,when they carryon the way they do

Zebra3 · 29-06-2020 8:15pm

political analyst wrote: »

They don't.

Israeli military operations are aimed at terrorists and the killing of civilians in those operations is unintentional.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/collective-punishment-gaza

Zionist terrorism against Palestinian civilians has always been at the forefront of establishing and expanding Israel.

Israel is built on ethnic cleansing and it continues to this day.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 29-06-2020 8:37pm

Gatling wrote: »

I'm only surprised Israeli intelligence services haven't dealt with her

With forged Irish passports

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/dubai-hit-squad-had-5-forged-irish-passports-112531.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/israeli-official-expelled-over-use-of-fake-passports-1.678818

political analyst · 30-06-2020 6:20pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Really?
https://mondoweiss.net/2020/06/after-several-long-minutes-of-pleading-israeli-forces-shot-eyad-al-halaq-anyway/?fbclid=IwAR3Rk3B74ESwdxL1yciZpTSftx_xkuPodsu3ayyODldBfcm1ZYGgIIPI8ns

You're positive now?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/the-military-first-took-his-legs-then-his-life-1.5628827

As Israeli troops are illegally occupying the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem and Golan, why aren't they described as "terrorists"? Certainly their activities fit then bill, and thats without getting into the crimes of the settler/colonists they stand by without intervening.

Tragic mistakes have been made by Israeli security personnel. The sharpshooter in the second case may not necessarily have been aiming at a wheelchair-bound person. Protesters were warned to stay away from the Gaza border with Israel.

The occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights took place only because of the threat from Arab nations in the Six-Day War.

By the way, neither of those cases is anything to do with the Sbarro restaurant bombing. What did the people in that restaurant ever do to the woman who murdered them?

Zebra3 · 30-06-2020 6:36pm

political analyst wrote: »

Tragic mistakes have been made by Israeli security personnel. The sharpshooter in the second case may not necessarily have been aiming at a wheelchair-bound person. Protesters were warned to stay away from the Gaza border with Israel.

The occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights took place only because of the threat from Arab nations in the Six-Day War.

By the way, neither of those cases is anything to do with the Sbarro restaurant bombing. What did the people in that restaurant ever do to the woman who murdered them?

What did the 700,000 native Palestinians ever do to the European zionists who drove them from their homes, stole their property, and denied them their right to return?

rapul · 30-06-2020 6:42pm

Isn't Netanyahu pushing for the annexation of the West Bank now within the next 24 hours aswell, apparently his defence minister doesn't even know what is planned but the Israeli army is ready. Harsh times ahead for the Palestinians as always.

And to answer the OP's question, perhaps the Israelis killed her family and she wanted revenge, wouldn't blame her.

Odhinn · 30-06-2020 6:48pm

political analyst wrote: »

Tragic mistakes have been made by Israeli security personnel. The sharpshooter in the second case may not necessarily have been aiming at a wheelchair-bound person. Protesters were warned to stay away from the Gaza border with Israel.

"tragic mistakes" is when that kind of thing happens once in a decade or so. The fact is there are hundreds of such incidents, civillians and often children targeted by rifle fire and killed with single well aimed shots to the head.

The lad in the wheelchair was killed by aimed rifle fire, one round to the head.The autistic man was shot at point blank by a soldier standing over him, while he was begging for his mother and for his life. An occupation this brutal is bound to incite yet more brutality from those who have suffered under it.

political analyst wrote: »

The occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights took place only because of the threat from Arab nations in the Six-Day War.

Annexation of territory by force goes against international law, likewise aiding the colonisation of same.

Odhinn · 30-06-2020 6:50pm

rapul wrote: »

Isn't Netanyahu pushing for the annexation of the West Bank now within the next 24 hours aswell, apparently his defence minister doesn't even know what is planned but the Israeli army is ready. Harsh times ahead for the Palestinians as always.

And to answer the OP's question, perhaps the Israelis killed her family and she wanted revenge, wouldn't blame her.

Netanyahu may feel that his window of opportunity will only last as long as the current trump presidency, so he may take the risk and go for large scale annexation.

Madeoface · 30-06-2020 6:59pm

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/jordan-king-urged-block-extradition-convicted-bomber-200617100616009.html

What did the people who were in the Sbarro pizza restaurant on that afternoon on 9 Ausgust 2001 ever do to her?

'Mohammad Ramiz Bakr, 11, Ahed Atef Bakr and Zakariya Ahed Bakr, both 10, and Ismail Mahmoud Bakr, nine, were killed when they were hit by explosive rounds....' playing football on a beach......

What did these 4 little boys ever do to the IDF? Their families will never get justice.

walshb · 30-06-2020 7:02pm

Probably belongs in the unpopular opinions thread, but Irish people sure do bull**** with their pretend concern for Palestine...

suicide_circus · 30-06-2020 7:07pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Why do jewish people hate Palestinians and ethnically cleanse them?

Jewish people? you mean the Israeli government?

I know the accusation of anti-semitism is the Israeli government's go-to cop out race card they pull anytime their policies are legitimately criticised but some people make it very easy for them.

rapul · 30-06-2020 7:23pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Netanyahu may feel that his window of opportunity will only last as long as the current trump presidency, so he may take the risk and go for large scale annexation.

Sadly, your bang on there, sure isn't a settlement in the golan heights gonna be called trump heights, that was one of bibis promises to trump if I recall, and sure this whole plan is oul Jared's idea to benefit everyone, its laughable.

rapul · 30-06-2020 7:23pm

walshb wrote: »

Probably belongs in the unpopular opinions thread, but Irish people sure do bull**** with their pretend concern for Palestine...

This post is bull****.

Sabella · 30-06-2020 7:26pm

political analyst wrote: »

Tragic mistakes have been made by Israeli security personnel. The sharpshooter in the second case may not necessarily have been aiming at a wheelchair-bound person. Protesters were warned to stay away from the Gaza border with Israel.

The occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights took place only because of the threat from Arab nations in the Six-Day War.

By the way, neither of those cases is anything to do with the Sbarro restaurant bombing. What did the people in that restaurant ever do to the woman who murdered them?

Very one side ‘political analyses’ my friend, there is much more to what is going on in that area, by both sides I might add. Could I recommend a weekend in Palestine which might broaden your horizon slightly. By the way I don’t condone violence by either side and the bombing of the pizza restaurant is horrific as is the killing of any civilians

walshb · 30-06-2020 7:36pm

rapul wrote: »

This post is bull****.

It’s not.

Most wouldn’t be able to point out Palestine on a map, or even spell it!!

nacho libre · 30-06-2020 7:39pm

Gatling wrote: »

I'm only surprised Israeli intelligence services haven't dealt with her

Probably because the head of mossad visited the King of Jordan recently.

speedboatchase · 30-06-2020 7:45pm

If we can park the Israel v Palestine conversation for one sec, this individual is evil imo. These quotes are chilling:

"Afterwards, when I took the bus, the Palestinians around Damascus Gate [in Jerusalem] were all smiling. You could sense that everybody was happy. When I got on the bus, nobody knew that it was me who had led [the suicide bomber to the target]... I was feeling quite strange, because I had left [the bomber] 'Izz Al-Din behind, but inside the bus, they were all congratulating one another. They didn't even know one another, yet they were exchanging greetings...While I was sitting on the bus, the driver turned on the radio. But first, let me tell you about the gradual rise in the number of casualties. While I was on the bus and everybody was congratulating one another...

"I admit that I was a bit disappointed, because I had hoped for a larger toll. Yet when they said "three dead," I said: 'Allah be praised'...Two minutes later, they said on the radio that the number had increased to five. I wanted to hide my smile, but I just couldn't. Allah be praised, it was great. As the number of dead kept increasing, the passengers were applauding."

nacho libre · 30-06-2020 7:46pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Annexation of territory by force goes against international law, likewise aiding the colonisation of same.

With this in mind. The EU were quick to put sanctions on Russia over Crimea. Will they act in the same manner if Bibi goes ahead with this plan.

Sabella · 30-06-2020 7:49pm

speedboatchase wrote: »

If we can park the Israel v Palestine conversation for one sec, this individual is evil imo. These quotes are chilling:

"Afterwards, when I took the bus, the Palestinians around Damascus Gate [in Jerusalem] were all smiling. You could sense that everybody was happy. When I got on the bus, nobody knew that it was me who had led [the suicide bomber to the target]... I was feeling quite strange, because I had left [the bomber] 'Izz Al-Din behind, but inside the bus, they were all congratulating one another. They didn't even know one another, yet they were exchanging greetings...While I was sitting on the bus, the driver turned on the radio. But first, let me tell you about the gradual rise in the number of casualties. While I was on the bus and everybody was congratulating one another...

"I admit that I was a bit disappointed, because I had hoped for a larger toll. Yet when they said "three dead," I said: 'Allah be praised'...Two minutes later, they said on the radio that the number had increased to five. I wanted to hide my smile, but I just couldn't. Allah be praised, it was great. As the number of dead kept increasing, the passengers were applauding."

Horrific stuff

Odhinn · 30-06-2020 7:50pm

nacho libre wrote: »

With this in mind. The EU were quick to put sanctions on Russia over Crimea. Will they act in the same manner if Bibi goes ahead with this plan.

Due to American pressure I doubt it. "realpolitik" etc. We can but hope it will end otherwise, but I'm not optimistic.

rapul · 30-06-2020 7:52pm

walshb wrote: »

It’s not.

Most wouldn’t be able to point out Palestine on a map, or even spell it!!

Speak for yourself.

riffmongous · 30-06-2020 7:53pm

walshb wrote: »

It’s not.

Most wouldn’t be able to point out Palestine on a map, or even spell it!!

Stop projecting

rapul · 30-06-2020 8:02pm

nacho libre wrote: »

With this in mind. The EU were quick to put sanctions on Russia over Crimea. Will they act in the same manner if Bibi goes ahead with this plan.

The EU is saying they will place sanctions but they always do but hopefully will follow through this time, trump won't be happy but the Arab nations aren't happy either, we won't know anything until bibi makes his move, Jordan aren't happy though so we shall see, soon aswell.

end of the road · 30-06-2020 10:31pm

DeadHand wrote: »

The Palestinian population has been increasing steadily by 100,000 a year over the last 5 years.

If the Israelis are “ethnically cleansing” them, they are doing a poor job of it.

Or maybe it’s a situation like that of Ibrahim Halawi, who succeeded in visibly gaining weight despite a torturous incarceration that included a period of hunger strike.

nope, that old trope don't work i'm afraid.
a population apparently increasing does not negate the fact that there is an attempt to ethnic cleanse that population.
ethnic cleansing can and does happen dispite a population increasing if a state is engaging in ethnic cleansing against that population, which israel is very much doing so against the palestinians.

Zebra3 · 01-07-2020 9:42am

suicide_circus wrote: »

Jewish people? you mean the Israeli government?

I know the accusation of anti-semitism is the Israeli government's go-to cop out race card they pull anytime their policies are legitimately criticised but some people make it very easy for them.

My comment was obviously a retort to the OP's use of the phrase "jewish people".

But fair play to you for pretending to be concerned about anti-semitism while not being in the slightest bit bothered about anti-semitism when it's direct against Palestinains. :rolleyes:

Zebra3 · 01-07-2020 9:47am

speedboatchase wrote: »

If we can park the Israel v Palestine conversation for one sec, this individual is evil imo. These quotes are chilling:

"Afterwards, when I took the bus, the Palestinians around Damascus Gate [in Jerusalem] were all smiling. You could sense that everybody was happy. When I got on the bus, nobody knew that it was me who had led [the suicide bomber to the target]... I was feeling quite strange, because I had left [the bomber] 'Izz Al-Din behind, but inside the bus, they were all congratulating one another. They didn't even know one another, yet they were exchanging greetings...While I was sitting on the bus, the driver turned on the radio. But first, let me tell you about the gradual rise in the number of casualties. While I was on the bus and everybody was congratulating one another...

"I admit that I was a bit disappointed, because I had hoped for a larger toll. Yet when they said "three dead," I said: 'Allah be praised'...Two minutes later, they said on the radio that the number had increased to five. I wanted to hide my smile, but I just couldn't. Allah be praised, it was great. As the number of dead kept increasing, the passengers were applauding."

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/world/middleeast/ali-dawabsheh-arson-death-israel-wedding-video.html

We can do this all day if you want.

robertpatterson · 01-07-2020 11:35am

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/world/middleeast/ali-dawabsheh-arson-death-israel-wedding-video.html

We can do this all day if you want.

They've been condemned by the Israeli government and rabbis haven't they?
I cant see the same condemnation from the Palestinian authority I must have missed it
All day long....

Zebra3 · 01-07-2020 12:18pm

robertpatterson wrote: »

They've been condemned by the Israeli government and rabbis haven't they?
I cant see the same condemnation from the Palestinian authority I must have missed it
All day long....

The PA didn't condemn Israeli terrorists burning a Palestinian child alive?

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-07-2020 12:38pm

political analyst wrote: »

They don't.

Israeli military operations are aimed at terrorists and the killing of civilians in those operations is unintentional.

The families of 4 kids playing football on beach would say different.

mouldybiscuits · 01-07-2020 12:43pm

political analyst wrote: »

Tragic mistakes have been made by Israeli security personnel. The sharpshooter in the second case may not necessarily have been aiming at a wheelchair-bound person. Protesters were warned to stay away from the Gaza border with Israel.

The occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights took place only because of the threat from Arab nations in the Six-Day War.

By the way, neither of those cases is anything to do with the Sbarro restaurant bombing. What did the people in that restaurant ever do to the woman who murdered them?

What about the incidents where they kidnap and torture protestors? Are those just happy accidents too?

Mad_maxx · 01-07-2020 4:33pm

DeadHand wrote: »

The Palestinian population has been increasing steadily by 100,000 a year over the last 5 years.

If the Israelis are “ethnically cleansing” them, they are doing a poor job of it.

Or maybe it’s a situation like that of Ibrahim Halawi, who succeeded in visibly gaining weight despite a torturous incarceration that included a period of hunger strike.

yes but he was at the cinema prior to finding himself on stage at an islamist rally , he probably ate a trailer load of popcorn beforehand and that kept him in condition during his detention

Mad_maxx · 01-07-2020 4:37pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Netanyahu may feel that his window of opportunity will only last as long as the current trump presidency, so he may take the risk and go for large scale annexation.

true but its an election year and dont expect biden to express any real opposition either , declaring unconditional support for israel is a pre requisite for any presidential canditate every four years

obama did it , they all do it

Odhinn · 01-07-2020 5:01pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

true but its an election year and dont expect biden to express any real opposition either , declaring unconditional support for israel is a pre requisite for any presidential canditate every four years

obama did it , they all do it

Again, it depends on Netanyahu - will he jump before Trump is pushed (presuming he is pushed)? Ultimately the only ally they need is a superpower - no internationaly binding blocades, sanctions or anything else can get past the US veto. Support for the BDS campaign is the best alternative where individuals from around the world can make a difference.

Odhinn · 01-07-2020 5:06pm

Facts are that they have an even freer hand now, and may well pounce before the window closes

Last month, Biden came out against the move in a private meeting, telling a group of American Jews: “I do not support annexation. The fact is, I will reverse Trump’s undercutting of peace.”

The presidential candidate has also used proxies to carry his message to the public sphere. Biden’s top foreign policy advisor, former undersecretary of state Nicholas Burns, warned that “annexation is the one issue which could most harm the US-Israel relationship.” He warned that the move would receive “almost complete denunciation by the American political leadership.”
Congressional Democrats have uniformly come out against annexation.

https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/biden-lead-complicates-israel-annexation-plan/

Mad_maxx · 01-07-2020 5:44pm

hard to see much loss of political capital by trump in giving the green light , the vast majority of americans support israeli doing what they wish , its just how things are over there

no votes in opposing israel

Odhinn · 01-07-2020 9:13pm

For those interested

July 1, 2020 – As Israel’s far-right government remained silent today about its previously stated plan to begin formal annexation of occupied Palestinian territory on July 1, tens of Palestinian civil society organizations representing the absolute majority of Palestinian civil society called for action, not just rhetoric, to stop Israel’s quiet, decades-long annexation and apartheid rule over Palestinians.

(Today's Palestinian civil society statement)
They reiterated their demand that the international community “impose lawful, targeted and immediate sanctions on Israel in response to its ongoing annexation, illegal military occupation and apartheid regime of racial discrimination, segregation and territorial expansion that is enshrined in Israel’s domestic law .”

https://www.bdsmovement.net/news/palestinians-reiterate-call-for-targeted-sanctions-stop-israeli-annexation?fbclid=IwAR2yBmb_eke-pEYwcwyDt4UOXNgKgFWDGUkLfgzVi_sevf6MUCkUY09FZkg

political analyst · 02-07-2020 7:42pm

Odhinn wrote: »

"tragic mistakes" is when that kind of thing happens once in a decade or so. The fact is there are hundreds of such incidents, civillians and often children targeted by rifle fire and killed with single well aimed shots to the head.

They happen a lot in an ongoing conflict.

Odhinn wrote: »

The lad in the wheelchair was killed by aimed rifle fire, one round to the head.The autistic man was shot at point blank by a soldier standing over him, while he was begging for his mother and for his life. An occupation this brutal is bound to incite yet more brutality from those who have suffered under it.

That is nothing to do with the Sbarro restaurant bombing. I've explained that recent killing. We don't know all the facts yet. Al-Tamimi was joyful when she talked about the Sbarro restaurant bombing, in which she was involved. Being joyful is not something associated with feelings of hurt. The people in that restaurant didn't do anything to her or her family but you've ignored that point.

Odhinn wrote: »

Annexation of territory by force goes against international law, likewise aiding the colonisation of same.

That's out of context. There wouldn't have been annexation if the Arab nations hadn't tried to destroy Israel.

political analyst · 02-07-2020 7:43pm

Odhinn wrote: »

For those interested

https://www.bdsmovement.net/news/palestinians-reiterate-call-for-targeted-sanctions-stop-israeli-annexation?fbclid=IwAR2yBmb_eke-pEYwcwyDt4UOXNgKgFWDGUkLfgzVi_sevf6MUCkUY09FZkg

BDS - enough said!

political analyst · 02-07-2020 7:44pm

rapul wrote: »

Isn't Netanyahu pushing for the annexation of the West Bank now within the next 24 hours aswell, apparently his defence minister doesn't even know what is planned but the Israeli army is ready. Harsh times ahead for the Palestinians as always.

And to answer the OP's question, perhaps the Israelis killed her family and she wanted revenge, wouldn't blame her.

If she wanted revenge then she wouldn't have targeted civilians. If she was vengeful then she wouldn't be smiling about taking revenge.

political analyst · 02-07-2020 7:49pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/collective-punishment-gaza

Zionist terrorism against Palestinian civilians has always been at the forefront of establishing and expanding Israel.

Israel is built on ethnic cleansing and it continues to this day.

Zebra3 wrote: »

What did the 700,000 native Palestinians ever do to the European zionists who drove them from their homes, stole their property, and denied them their right to return?

There would have been a Palestinian state with more land than just the West Bank and the Gaza Strip if the Arab nations had accepted the UN plan for the partition of Mandatory Palestine - a plan that the Jewish Agency had accepted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It was because of the pressure that the Arab nations put on the British government in the 1930s that many European Jews who were trying to escape from the Holocaust couldn't enter Mandatory Palestine.

end of the road · 02-07-2020 10:07pm

political analyst wrote: »

They happen a lot in an ongoing conflict.

a lot yes, to the extent it happens in this one, certainly not.
the IDF deliberately engage in targeting civilians, this is very much well known and cannot be denied.

political analyst wrote: »

That is nothing to do with the Sbarro restaurant bombing. I've explained that recent killing. We don't know all the facts yet. Al-Tamimi was joyful when she talked about the Sbarro restaurant bombing, in which she was involved. Being joyful is not something associated with feelings of hurt. The people in that restaurant didn't do anything to her or her family but you've ignored that point.

we do know the facts, they are as odhin stated.

political analyst wrote: »

That's out of context. There wouldn't have been annexation if the Arab nations hadn't tried to destroy Israel.

i have no doubt there would have been a hell of a lot more annexation had arab nations not fought back when israel decided to go on an expansion campaign.

end of the road · 02-07-2020 10:12pm

political analyst wrote: »

BDS - enough said!

yes, the same bds who israel and it's die hard supporters are scared of.

political analyst wrote: »

If she wanted revenge then she wouldn't have targeted civilians. If she was vengeful then she wouldn't be smiling about taking revenge.

i wouldn't be so sure about that.
push people hard enough and they will do the ultimate bad.
no it's not right, but the israely government and their behaviour are ultimately to blame for these actions happening.
if they behaved like a normal country then they wouldn't have anything near the issues they have.

political analyst wrote: »

There would have been a Palestinian state with more land than just the West Bank and the Gaza Strip if the Arab nations had accepted the UN plan for the partition of Mandatory Palestine - a plan that the Jewish Agency had accepted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It was because of the pressure that the Arab nations put on the British government in the 1930s that many European Jews who were trying to escape from the Holocaust couldn't enter Mandatory Palestine.

no there wouldn't have been, the land they got was the land they were ever going to get.
it wouldn't have mattered what they would have accepted, the reality is we would have been where we are currently in the end.

rapul · 02-07-2020 10:52pm

Fair play to end of the road, don't have it in me to reply properly now, but I agree with the points made in reply to our analyst there

Hamas mass-murderer Ahlam al-Tamimi

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