US politician proposes "CAREN Act"

biko · 10-07-2020 11:47am #1

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/san-francisco-lawmaker-proposes-caren-act-make-false-racist-911-n1233226

San Francisco lawmaker proposes CAREN Act to make false, racist 911 calls illegal
The Caution Against Racially Exploitative Non-Emergencies Act is a play on "Karens," white women who target people of color for engaging in everyday acts.

According to the press lease, under Bonta's Assembly Bill 1550, these 911 calls would be classified as a hate crime.

The caller could also be sued for up to $10,000 in damages. Those who violate the CAREN Act would be liable for no less than $1,000.

That's not what a Karen is and it shows three things - the politician doesn't know memes are and also he's racist and sexist.

osarusan · 10-07-2020 11:49am

Law seems reasonable at first glance, acronym is stupid and can only have been devised to stir shyte.

EDIT: Just read in more detail and law is pointless really.

biko · 10-07-2020 11:52am

There is already legislation to handle cases where someone makes a false or prank call to police.
This introduces a race aspect.

quokula · 10-07-2020 12:05pm

The CAREN Act will make it unlawful for an individual to contact law enforcement solely to discriminate on the basis of a person’s race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, gender, sexual orientation, or gender identity

Not sure how any reasonable person could disagree with that. You have an extremely warped set of values if you're taking offence at it and calling the proposer racist and sexist.

WrenBoy · 10-07-2020 12:22pm

The US is run by teenagers

10-07-2020 12:30pm

I feel so sorry for women called Karen.

ohnonotgmail · 10-07-2020 12:33pm

biko wrote: »

There is already legislation to handle cases where someone makes a false or prank call to police.
This introduces a race aspect.

not according to the article you linked to

Current California law considers false police reports misdemeanor or felony offenses. But that does not include those who make calls like those described in the CAREN Act.

biko · 10-07-2020 12:38pm

Yes, because today there is no racial dimension.

ohnonotgmail · 10-07-2020 12:50pm

biko wrote: »

Yes, because today there is no racial dimension.

would you prefer that that aspect of an offence is ignored? That would make it easier to pretend that racism doesnt exist i suppose.

biko · 10-07-2020 12:56pm

I would prefer it yes.

Let's say Joe and Sam are out walking and see a black guy trying to break into a car.

Joe rings the police and they arrive.

It turns out the black guy just forgot his keys inside the car and forced the door open.

Police arrest Joe because Joe is Chinese and therefore the call was a hate crime.

Had his black friend Sam called the police instead nothing more would have come of it.

Gregor Samsa · 10-07-2020 12:59pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I feel so sorry for women called Karen.

Before Karen, it was Becky. Just like the people/companies/bands that were called Isis, Karen will get her name back when this moves on to another one.

Quin_Dub · 10-07-2020 12:59pm

WrenBoy wrote: »

The US is run by teenagers

Absolutely - The infantile acronyms are just painful.

Everything about their Political system is just weird and childish.

The stupid acronyms , Senators and Congress people bringing "props" into the chamber , the bumper stickers and the rallies.

They think they are all still in some TV High school arguing about Class President or something equally trivial.

Mickeroo · 10-07-2020 1:00pm

I thought Karens were just "I want to speak to the manager" types rather than "I want to speak to the white manager" types.

ohnonotgmail · 10-07-2020 1:02pm

biko wrote: »

I would prefer it yes.

Let's say Joe and Sam are out walking and see a black guy trying to break into a car.

Joe rings the police and they arrive.

It turns out the black guy just forgot his keys inside the car and forced the door open.

Police arrest Joe because Joe is Chinese and therefore the call was a hate crime.

Had his black friend Sam called the police instead nothing more would have come of it.

yeah you haven't actually read the article have you. you just saw the mention of racism and were immediately opposed.

Quantum Erasure · 10-07-2020 1:02pm

Is this to deal with Jussie Smollet / the NASCAR garage noose type fake racism calls?

Gregor Samsa · 10-07-2020 1:03pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

I thought Karens were just "I want to speak to the manager" types rather than "I want to speak to the white manager" types.

This is the thing about memes. People say "no, you're using it wrong", but in fact they just change and morph to be whatever the user wants them to be. Arguing about them being correctly used is meaningless. They flare up, explode in a variety of colours and shapes, and then die off. Then the next one comes along and the cycle starts over again.

And for that reason, no law should ever be named after one.

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-07-2020 1:08pm

Police in the US are already beginning to look the other way when it comes to black people commiting crimes in fear of the outrage mob. It won't end well.

Quantum Erasure · 10-07-2020 1:09pm

It's like the word 'troll'. I used to be a troll, I'm not any more, they get too much bad press these days....

Tell me how · 10-07-2020 1:13pm

biko wrote: »

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/san-francisco-lawmaker-proposes-caren-act-make-false-racist-911-n1233226

That's not what a Karen is and it shows three things - the politician doesn't know memes are and also he's racist and sexist.

Gotta laugh at all the people mightily aggrieved at the racism in the world. Over the last 6 weeks or so.

If they had 10% as much concern over the last ten years, things might not have escalated to this point.

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-07-2020 1:26pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Gotta laugh at all the people mightily aggrieved at the racism in the world. Over the last 6 weeks or so.

If they had 10% as much concern over the last ten years, things might not have escalated to this point.

They could care less. Its just the latest go to of the permanently outraged mob. They'll move on to the next outlet for their emotions in a few weeks

paw patrol · 10-07-2020 1:33pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Is this to deal with Jussie Smollet / the NASCAR garage noose type fake racism calls?

no it's only to deal with the "correct" types of fake calls.

Mickeroo · 10-07-2020 1:34pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

This is the thing about memes. People say "no, you're using it wrong", but in fact they just change and morph to be whatever the user wants them to be. Arguing about them being correctly used is meaningless. They flare up, explode in a variety of colours and shapes, and then die off. Then the next one comes along and the cycle starts over again.

And for that reason, no law should ever be named after one.

At least if we're going to legislate with memes they should use a decent one like grumpy cat or Rick Astley.

Overheal · 10-07-2020 2:11pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Is this to deal with Jussie Smollet / the NASCAR garage noose type fake racism calls?

Do you have evidence they called 911? No. Desperate attempt to shoehorn an unrelated topic in here because you have some beef with Bubba Wallace. Get over it.

I don’t see the problem with the act of it gives people pause before calling police to check themselves if they’re really concerned about public safety or if they’re just being racist. One of the instigating incidents to this bill was a couple who called police on a homeowner stenciling his own garden wall with “black lives matter” - they got into it with the homeowner, yelling that he wasn’t the homeowner at all, that they knew the homeowner and he wasn’t the homeowner. Spoiler alert: he was the homeowner.

WrenBoy · 10-07-2020 2:40pm

Overheal wrote: »

Do you have evidence they called 911? No. Desperate attempt to shoehorn an unrelated topic in here because you have some beef with Bubba Wallace. Get over it.

911 audio from night of Jussie Smollett’s reported attack

Quantum Erasure · 10-07-2020 2:40pm

I've no beef with the guy, I don't even know his name...

Overheal · 10-07-2020 2:42pm

WrenBoy wrote: »

911 audio from night of Jussie Smollett’s reported attack

I think it’s amazing you have this much trouble telling black people apart, even when it’s just text and names but Bubba Wallace and Jussie Smollett are not one and the same.

WrenBoy · 10-07-2020 2:44pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Is this to deal with Jussie Smollet / the NASCAR garage noose type fake racism calls?

Overheal wrote: »

Do you have evidence they called 911? No. Desperate attempt to shoehorn an unrelated topic in here because you have some beef with Bubba Wallace. Get over it.

Overheal wrote: »

I think it’s amazing you have this much trouble telling black people apart, even when it’s just text and names but Bubba Wallace and Jussie Smollett are not one and the same.

I didn't mix them up , you said THEY didnt call 911, just helping you out.

Overheal · 10-07-2020 2:52pm

WrenBoy wrote: »

I didn't mix them up , you said THEY didnt call 911, just helping you out.

You bolded the wrong name as I clearly specified bubba Wallace.

And he didn’t call 911. You are lumping them together ignorantly

Gregor Samsa · 10-07-2020 2:53pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I've no beef with the guy, I don't even know his name...

The Bubba Wallace situation was quite different to Jussie Smollett's. In Wallace's case, a rope shaped exactly like a noose was found in his garage by a member of staff. Other garages were checked first to see if it was a standard feature, and they didn't have them, so they reached a conclusion that they thought was reasonable in the circumstances. It later turned out (via older photographs) that the rope had been there before Wallace ever used the garage, so it was clear at that point that it wasn't something sinister.

It wasn't that he made up something. NASCAR's president Steve Phelps was the one who told Wallace about the rope in the first place. It was NASCAR that jumped to the wrong conclusions, and it wasn't a deliberate lie.

Overheal · 10-07-2020 2:54pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

The Bubba Wallace situation was quite different to Jussie Smollett's. In Bubba's case, a rope shaped exactly like a noose was found in his garage by a member of staff. Other garages were checked first to see if it was a standard feature, and they didn't have them, so they reached a conclusion that they thought was reasonable in the circumstances. It later turned out (via older photographs) that the rope had been there before Bubba ever used the garage, so it was clear at that point that it wasn't something sinister.

Unless he’s always assigned that garage there, or was determined to be in the future. But I think they keep them shuffled for reasons of race related espionage or sabotage; that’s an unverified assumption though.

Gregor Samsa · 10-07-2020 3:01pm

Overheal wrote: »

Unless he’s always assigned that garage there, or was determined to be in the future. But I think they keep them shuffled for reasons of race related espionage or sabotage; that’s an unverified assumption though.

The investigation determined that the rope was there before he was assigned the garage. From the NASCAR statement:

The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime. The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall. This was obviously well before the 43 team's arrival and garage assignment.

This, by the way, was the rope in question, just in case there's any questions as to whether it actually looked like a noose or not:

https://twitter.com/jeff_gluck/status/1276188964488003584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1276188964488003584%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnascar%2Fnews%2Fnascar-shares-photo-of-rope-fashioned-as-noose-found-in-bubba-wallaces-garage-at-talladega%2F

Overheal · 10-07-2020 3:18pm

It sure does look incredibly noosey. Even if not meant for Wallace someone could have done it as twisted humor just for the sake of it back then. there are much simpler knots if you just need a pull loop.

WrenBoy · 10-07-2020 3:33pm

Overheal wrote: »

You bolded the wrong name as I clearly specified bubba Wallace.

And he didn’t call 911. You are lumping them together ignorantly

I bolded Jussie's name because the poster mentioned both of them, you responded saying they never called 911, if you meant only Bubba didn't call 911 you should have said that. Jussie did. You just cant accept when your wrong. Get over it.

Overheal · 10-07-2020 3:35pm

WrenBoy wrote: »

I bolded Jussie's name because the poster mentioned both of them, you responded saying they never called 911, if you meant only Bubba didn't call 911 you should have said that. Jussie did. You just cant accept when your wrong. Get over it.

I clearly mentioned bubba specifically but you can’t accept when you’re wrong. Get over it.

WrenBoy · 10-07-2020 3:41pm

Overheal wrote: »

I clearly mentioned bubba specifically but you can’t accept when you’re wrong. Get over it.

lol, okay little buddy. Still both fake though

Overheal · 10-07-2020 3:49pm

Not at all. Bubba Wallace and his crew did nothing to fake what they saw. Smollet manufactured his stunt from the ground up. They are incomparable.

US politician proposes "CAREN Act"

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