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Housing Crisis and Immigration?

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  • #152
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    ifElseThen wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=b9_21267543_83_08-11-2017_

    Average no. of applications for family members under the Family Reunification provisions = 20.
    The largest application being for 70 family members. Significant and unquantifiable impacts on the provision of housing, education, welfare supports.

    Minister of State, David Stanton

    holy moly. i wonder how many of these applications are approved.


  • #153
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    beejee wrote: »
    ...

    And this market is going to "cool off" the way the economy had a "soft landing"

    Exactly. Unless we change policy. The stooges who bleat on about 'forever homes' should wake up to the reality that paying rents to private landlords, or buying to use as social housing, and hotels bills are costing more, but 'forever homes' has a snappier ring to it.


  • #154
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Are immigrants the cause of the housing crisis? No.

    Do immigrants exacerbate the problem? Yes. How could they not?


  • #155
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    Government encouraging ghettos?


  • #156
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Government encouraging ghettos?

    i dont think they actively encourage ghettos but they facilitate their creation by having absolutely no planning in place for our rapidly increasing immigration levels. No planning whatsoever.


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  • #157
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Exactly. Unless we change policy. The stooges who bleat on about 'forever homes' should wake up to the reality that paying rents to private landlords, or buying to use as social housing, and hotels bills are costing more, but 'forever homes' has a snappier ring to it.

    Have you a costing of all these social houses versus money spent on emergency accommodation?

    Bare in mind 1700 “ social houses” houses at a cost of 300k would equate to half a BILLION euro.

    So how many houses are you suggesting and give us the costing and where the money will come from?

    Thanks.


  • #158
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Colonel Claptrap wrote: »
    ... canteen chef who likes to practice Irish phrases on everybody who visits the canteen. His daughter started learning Irish in school, so he's learning it to help her with homework. He's from Cameroon...

    -Works to support himself
    -Respectful of native culture and laws
    -Grateful to Ireland for what it offers

    The only three boxes I would ask an immigrant to Ireland to tick.

    The rest who fail this simple test can go jump though.


  • #159
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Exactly. Unless we change policy. The stooges who bleat on about 'forever homes' should wake up to the reality that paying rents to private landlords, or buying to use as social housing, and hotels bills are costing more, but 'forever homes' has a snappier ring to it.


    If people were in appropriate accommodation the social housing crisis would be alleviated, at least to a degree. Having elderly people clattering around in 3 and 4 bedroom houses is not helping the situation. Once the kids hit 21 and are not in college the house should be reassigned to a family with non-adult children and the parents moved into a one bedroom apartment.


  • #160
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    There's a shortage of housing. And you reckon building more is not going to solve anything. :confused::confused::confused:

    It probably won't to be fair. If there are 60,000 immigrants coming here annually, you'd need about 20,000 new houses annually to match their demand. And that is just to keep up with immigrants. So yes, the houses we are building just about matches the demand from immigrants.

    The housing problem in Dublin in particular is very complex, too complex for the current government to solve. Its not just as simple as "build more houses".
    It can take at least 5 years to design, get planning permission for and build new houses. The problem is we need those new houses today, not in 5 years. You can't just finger click new houses from thin air.
    Balanced regional development is one area where housing demand can be addressed, but there is zero appetite in government for that, or the Facebooks and Googles who come here. They all want to locate close to Dublin city centre. This of course will cause a massive rise in housing demand in Dublin.

    Immigrants alone aren't the problem though. Overall its a complex issue.


  • #161
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    beejee wrote: »
    I persisted?! Really now :p

    Just as well you fact checked that insignificant thing, now millions of minds will be walking around with "undefined area of Dorset Street" versus "Dorset street".

    Hallelujah.

    Meanwhile, the topic is about the city. The first post has the link to the prime time program and everyone can watch it, and then decide how important the designation of Dorset Street pertains to the bigger picture and debate.

    The only problem here us that your "insignificant" Dorset Street interpretation IS correct.

    I suspect your correspondent knows this,but if not,then a quick stroll from Granby Row to Binns Bridge and back should confirm those 7% stats.

    Reality can sometimes conflict with the preferred statistics,and many politicians will steadfastly plough on,whilst their electorate scratch their heads in bewilderment...usually however,it's reality that triumphs ;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • #162
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Heres one I dont get. According to the CSO there are 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland. According to World Bank data in 2017 there was $2.1bn of remittances sent out of the Irish economy to people in other countries. Of that $2.1bn almost a quarter ($471 million) was sent in remittances from Ireland to Nigeria. Which means that for every Nigerian here they sent $77,000 back to Nigeria from Ireland which is approx €68,000. Something doesnt add up here, either Nigerians are using Ireland for some sort of a massive banking scam or there are way more Nigerians in Ireland than the 6,084 the CSO thinks. It could be a mix of both scenarios, I find it hard to believe there are only 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland.

    Whatever is going on something is not right about it.

    https://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/remittance-flows-by-country/


  • #163
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Heres one I dont get. According to the CSO there are 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland. According to World Bank data in 2017 there was $2.1bn of remittances sent out of the Irish economy to people in other countries. Of that $2.1bn almost a quarter ($471 million) was sent in remittances from Ireland to Nigeria. Which means that for every Nigerian here they sent $77,000 back to Nigeria from Ireland which is approx €68,000. Something doesnt add up here, either Nigerians are using Ireland for some sort of a massive banking scam or there are way more Nigerians in Ireland than the 6,084 the CSO thinks. It could be a mix of both scenarios, I find it hard to believe there are only 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland.

    Whatever is going on something is not right about it.

    https://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/remittance-flows-by-country/


    Wonder who is currently investigating this?
    Yep, not being touched with a ten foot pole by any Irish government agency/department.


  • #164
    victor8600
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    ... According to the CSO there are 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland. ...

    By their nationality or by the country of origin? Does this number exclude those who got their Irish citizenship?


  • #165
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Government encouraging ghettos?

    They've form. Ballymun, Fatima etc.
    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Have you a costing of all these social houses versus money spent on emergency accommodation?

    Bare in mind 1700 “ social houses” houses at a cost of 300k would equate to half a BILLION euro.

    So how many houses are you suggesting and give us the costing and where the money will come from?

    Thanks.

    We've covered this. Riddle me this binman, why would anyone in their right mind become a property developer to build houses only to sell at a loss?
    Also, a tenant paying rent, to you, or you subsidising the tenants rent to another landlord, which would you prefer?
    Feel free to run away like you did last time ;)


  • #166
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Originally Posted by ifElseThen viewpost.gif
    https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radio...83_08-11-2017_

    Average no. of applications for family members under the Family Reunification provisions = 20.
    The largest application being for 70 family members. Significant and unquantifiable impacts on the provision of housing, education, welfare supports.

    Minister of State, David Stanton
    Recently, the head of a Dublin City Housing group complained about the pressure that asylum reunification was causing to her program. Here is how it works: They would be told to find housing for an asylum seeker whose asylum application was approved. The problem was after they found housing for this one asylum seeker, there would be follow-up requests for 9 or 11 more homes for the relatives of the original asylum seeker. This is the number she used.

    When the Irish government are getting reunification applications as high as 70, then someone is really taking the piss. Are we expected to take in whole villages because one person from there gets asylum in Ireland?
    Imagine the costs involved with this reunification program.

    It is really a surreal world we have in Ireland, and it's only a matter of time before the workers/contributors paying for this fiasco will finally fight back.


  • #167
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    beejee wrote: »

    Actually hard to believe. Lots of areas where irish people are in the severe minority, with Dorset street in particular being only 7% irish.


    Yes it is hard to believe. I hope you don't think i am starting to argue. I don't want to do that. You seem a nice polite person. :P

    BUT have you considered that it MIGHT NOT actually be true?

    Most of the housing in Dorset st is terrible anyhow.

    But also we have worse issues in Dorset street THERE IS A SEX SHOP :eek:

    https://www.todayfm.com/news/dublin-adult-shop-ordered-remove-raunchy-window-display-859844

    Also this might be hard to believe but a high percentage of immigrants work in the HSE particularly looking after the elderly.

    Anyway i hope i said that politely. :o


  • #168
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    They've form. Ballymun, Fatima etc.



    We've covered this. Riddle me this binman, why would anyone in their right mind become a property developer to build houses only to sell at a loss?
    Also, a tenant paying rent, to you, or you subsidising the tenants rent to another landlord, which would you prefer?
    Feel free to run away like you did last time ;)

    You didn’t answer any of my questions about costing and where the money will come from.

    As usual you write back some point which is totally irrelevant.


  • #169
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    You didn’t answer any of my questions about costing and where the money will come from.

    As usual you write back some point which is totally irrelevant.

    The same place the money for rents we pay to private landlords, the same place as the money we pay for hotels, the same place as the money for broadband, the same place as money for children's hospital overrun incompetence. We've covered this you and I so cut the crap chief.
    How about you answer my questions which are completely relevant? Too busy calling property developers to tell them to 'stop the madness yis are losing a fortune'? Give over.

    'As usual' what? You can't use you stock 'no solutions' reply because I handed you your arse the other week ;)

    why would anyone in their right mind become a property developer to build houses if only to sell at a loss?
    A tenant paying rent, to you, or you subsidising the tenants rent to another landlord, which would you prefer?


  • #170
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The same place the money for rents we pay to private landlords, the same place as the money we pay for hotels, the same place as the money for broadband, the same place as money for children's hospital overrun incompetence. We've covered this you and I so cut the crap chief.
    How about you answer my questions which are completely relevant? Too busy calling property developers to tell them to 'stop the madness yis are losing a fortune'? Give over.

    'As usual' what? You can't use you stock 'no solutions' reply because I handed you your arse the other week ;)

    why would anyone in their right mind become a property developer to build houses if only to sell at a loss?
    A tenant paying rent, to you, or you subsidising the tenants rent to another landlord, which would you prefer?

    You handed me my arse the other week???? When??

    You didn’t answer my questions on how many houses a costing and where the money will come from.

    You say the rent we pay landlords.

    That was how much last year?

    You think that will cover a massive social housing build costing billions?

    Building a house for 300k and a tenant paying 50 a week if they even pay it is never gonna work financially.

    So yeah I’d rather we kept paying rent and not spend billions for people to get discount housing because their ”entitled” to it.


  • #171
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    You handed me my arse the other week???? When??

    You didn’t answer my questions on how many houses a costing and where the money will come from.

    You say the rent we pay landlords.

    That was how much last year?

    You think that will cover a massive social housing build costing billions?

    Building a house for 300k and a tenant paying 50 a week if they even pay it is never gonna work financially.

    So yeah I’d rather we kept paying rent and not spend billions for people to get discount housing because their ”entitled” to it.

    You claimed I was just giving out and never have any solutions and I posted a link where I'd given you solutions previously. In others words you got caught out waffling. Now we've had this exact conversation a number of times and you persist in posting the same nonsense like it's never been discussed.
    Your question; no matter what it costs to build, it's cheaper than buying built from market. That's a cold fact wheels.

    When you own the house and are recouping weekly rent based on income, (this is about everyone not just the Indo chancer of the week), a rent you set. You are getting money coming in and you own a house. Paying out rents is only maintaining the problem and at a high rent cost.
    Right now we are even buying houses and then renting them out as social housing anyway. So it's happening just not in the most cost effective way. Building is cheaper than buying. That's a fact, you continue to cut your nose to spite your face. Costly mind.


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  • #172
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You claimed I was just giving out and never have any solutions and I posted a link where I'd given you solutions previously. In others words you got caught out waffling. Now we've had this exact conversation a number of times and you persist in posting the same nonsense like it's never been discussed.
    Your question; no matter what it costs to build, it's cheaper than buying built from market. That's a cold fact wheels.

    When you own the house and are recouping weekly rent based on income, (this is about everyone not just the Indo chancer of the week), a rent you set. You are getting money coming in and you own a house. Paying out rents is only maintaining the problem and at a high rent cost.
    Right now we are even buying houses and then renting them out as social housing anyway. So it's happening just not in the most cost effective way. Building is cheaper than buying. That's a fact, you continue to cut your nose to spite your face. Costly mind.

    Look we’re never gonna agree.

    Why did the councils sell off all the social housing they had?

    Because it was too costly to keep them.

    But you think we go again with billions and it will be somehow different.


  • #173
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Look we’re never gonna agree.

    Why did the councils sell off all the social housing they had?

    Because it was too costly to keep them.

    But you think we go again with billions and it will be somehow different.

    No. Greed. They saw the Celtic Tiger and jumped in feet first. They sold off social housing only to create more out in the burbs, then sell off the land to private developers.

    Building social housing is the only way to go, but there's less private profit to be made.

    On your point about 'entitled'.
    You do not want them building social housing to give to people.
    They are however, buying houses for social housing to give to people.
    I'm looking for the best value is all.


  • #174
    vriesmays
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Building social housing is the only way to go, but there's less private profit to be made.
    Much existing social housing are in arrears. Why would the councils build more.


  • #175
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    vriesmays wrote: »
    Much existing social housing are in arrears. Why would the councils build more.

    Because he said so...


  • #176
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    I really don't think you understand all of what I am saying. The freedom of space is a burden not something my mother nor her neighbours want. The constantly complain that it is way too much to maintain. It isn't just the houses either the gardens are too much.
    As most older houses are larger and if back in family use those families get the luxury of larger houses.
    I dont see how you don't see how this is not a priority. It would be quick to do, reduce congestion, better use of local amenities with no need to build more, provide extra money for pensions etc...

    This is not small scale stuff but a huge amount of housing stock in Dublin. The majority of houses built from 50s up to the 80s in Dublin are under occupied. That is a huge amount of property. Even if it is only a small portion of these houses it could be easily 10% increase in the city's capacity.

    Couldn't agree more. There's a serious lack of forward thinking here from our government. There are a huge amount of pensioners who would downsize tomorrow if it was an option in an area where they can walk to the local shops/post office etc. or even get a bus but there just isn't that option.

    My own parents are an example. They live in a 4 bedroom ex council house that they bought but it is just a burden now to them. We've had to get a stair lift and adapted bathroom built for them to use the house and they still find it a lot to keep up.

    A few years ago there was talk of building housing for the elderly which was a gated community with emergency call bells etc. and they would have jumped at the chance but it never happened so they're stuck where they are.

    They can't go to an anonymous apartment building where the lift might break down so what options do they have?

    There's a serious lack of one and two bedroom units all over Ireland.


  • #177
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Kairo Broad Sleepwalker wrote: »
    There was 24 social houses built down the end of my row, 20 of them are foreign national families who like deco and Jacinta would sleep on the floor if work was in the bed.

    I don`t think the contributors are the problem

    Total lie. :rolleyes:


  • #178
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    vriesmays wrote: »
    Much existing social housing are in arrears. Why would the councils build more.

    The same people will be living in homes the council buy.
    Maybe they should fix the system?


  • #179
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Because he said so...

    Way to be an arse wheels ;)


  • #180
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Is there a more general thread to discuss the housing crisis? Have been passed on for a loan despite having every single last document they require and meeting all their requirements, as they are constantly coming up with more and more obstacles. Are only rich people entitled to get houses, to be able to live? Does Ireland hate the working class so deeply?


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  • #181
    corks finest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,707 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Its the elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about because you would be branded a racist or far right. Year to April 2018 immigration counted for 50% increase in our population compared to year to April 2017.

    UK got sick of it, we will eventually....
    I'm sick of it,call me what you will, Paddy neeeds to look after Paddy end of


  • #182
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Is there a more general thread to discuss the housing crisis? Have been passed on for a loan despite having every single last document they require and meeting all their requirements, as they are constantly coming up with more and more obstacles. Are only rich people entitled to get houses, to be able to live? Does Ireland hate the working class so deeply?


    Unfortunately Leo and FG do. Have you tried the credit union they are now offering mortgages.


  • #183
    Shakey_jake
    Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Shakey_jake


    Does anyone know how all the Africans ended up in gaffs out in balbriggan??

    Like im just curious, did they buy them or did they get on the social?


  • #184
    beejee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Shakey_jake wrote: »
    Does anyone know how all the Africans ended up in gaffs out in balbriggan??

    Like im just curious, did they buy them or did they get on the social?

    If I remember correctly, new developments (and existing?) all had a quota of x% must got to special classes.

    But developers of multiple sites had the cheeky workaround of combining all the x% of each site into a single site. In this case balbriggan.

    Now this is something to research yourself, it's a sketchy memory of it all.


  • #185
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Is there a more general thread to discuss the housing crisis? Have been passed on for a loan despite having every single last document they require and meeting all their requirements, as they are constantly coming up with more and more obstacles. Are only rich people entitled to get houses, to be able to live? Does Ireland hate the working class so deeply?

    They don't acknowledge the working class. Everyone is either middle class, squeezed middle or a sponger.


  • #186
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Shakey_jake wrote: »
    Does anyone know how all the Africans ended up in gaffs out in balbriggan??

    Like im just curious, did they buy them or did they get on the social?

    I know from personal experience that most Africans want a new house rather than 2nd hand, even if the latter is more far more desirable by the normal factors of Irish property. IE: they would turn down a 1940s council house in Marino or Kimmage and wait for a new-build somewhere on the fringes of the county instead.


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  • #187
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Unfortunately Leo and FG do. Have you tried the credit union they are now offering mortgages.

    Or you know the loan the councils are doing now if you get turned down for a mortgage??


  • #188
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Is there a more general thread to discuss the housing crisis? Have been passed on for a loan despite having every single last document they require and meeting all their requirements, as they are constantly coming up with more and more obstacles. Are only rich people entitled to get houses, to be able to live? Does Ireland hate the working class so deeply?

    Have a look over on the accommodation and property forum, there's more serious threads there.

    This one is just another immigrant bashing one.

    Something to look into is the Building Ireland scheme, if you've been turned down by 2 banks you can apply and the interest rates and terms are supposed to be very good.


  • #189
    enricoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Shakey_jake wrote: »
    Does anyone know how all the Africans ended up in gaffs out in balbriggan??

    Like im just curious, did they buy them or did they get on the social?

    Nearest spot to mosney, a few years penance in the direct provision centre there n u get the keys to a gaff in balbriggan n the scratcher.

    Near e2000 to rent a 3 bed semi in balbriggan nowadays, hard to compete against the council!!


  • #190
    imme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Heres one I dont get. According to the CSO there are 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland. According to World Bank data in 2017 there was $2.1bn of remittances sent out of the Irish economy to people in other countries. Of that $2.1bn almost a quarter ($471 million) was sent in remittances from Ireland to Nigeria. Which means that for every Nigerian here they sent $77,000 back to Nigeria from Ireland which is approx €68,000. Something doesnt add up here, either Nigerians are using Ireland for some sort of a massive banking scam or there are way more Nigerians in Ireland than the 6,084 the CSO thinks. It could be a mix of both scenarios, I find it hard to believe there are only 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland.

    Whatever is going on something is not right about it.

    https://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/remittance-flows-by-country/

    There is another category, Irish-Nigerian, in the census data.

    There were 6,995 people listed in this category in the 2016 census.

    All this data is, however truthful or reliable, 3 years old at this stage.

    Ether way there must be a lot of money in taxi driving, shop keeping, not to mention prostitution and whatever you're having yourself.


  • #191
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Who ever is in power does,nt make much difference,
    we need housing plans that are 5-10 years long.
    this government we have now plans for maybe 3 years in advance .
    We are in a boom now ,
    we should be paying off x per cent off the large national debt.
    If the economy slows down alot of people will simply leave the country and tax revenue will fall rapidly.
    One example theres 1000,S of council tenants staying in a 3 bed house.eg 1 person rents a 3 bed house .
    Their children have grown up and left the house.
    meanwhile single parents live in hotel room,s .
    We need a system that encourage single tenants to move to smaller units .
    Theres 1000.s of empty council flats that just need basic repairs .
    Flats are empty for 2 years cos the council renovates the space when someone moves out .
    The council has a limited budget and staff to carry out basic repairs .
    The problem is young people who are working full time
    are finding it very hard to get a mortgage ,
    if they want to live in the city they may be rent forever .
    Its hard to save when rents are very high There are a lot of landlords
    who bought say 10-15 years ago ,who make very little profit
    as they have to pay a large mortgage.
    they cannot sell the investment unit as its in negative equity .
    Even if they sold now ,they would owe the bank 50k plus .
    Most immigrants or anon nationals are working and paying tax .


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  • #192
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    riclad wrote: »
    Who ever is in power does,nt make much difference,
    we need housing plans that are 5-10 years long.
    this government we have now plans for maybe 3 years in advance .
    We are in a boom now ,
    we should be paying off x per cent off the large national debt.
    If the economy slows down alot of people will simply leave the country and tax revenue will fall rapidly.
    One example theres 1000,S of council tenants staying in a 3 bed house.eg 1 person rents a 3 bed house .
    Their children have grown up and left the house.
    meanwhile single parents live in hotel room,s .
    We need a system that encourage single tenants to move to smaller units .
    Theres 1000.s of empty council flats that just need basic repairs .
    Flats are empty for 2 years cos the council renovates the space when someone moves out .
    The council has a limited budget and staff to carry out basic repairs .
    The problem is young people who are working full time
    are finding it very hard to get a mortgage ,
    if they want to live in the city they may be rent forever .
    Its hard to save when rents are very high There are a lot of landlords
    who bought say 10-15 years ago ,who make very little profit
    as they have to pay a large mortgage.
    they cannot sell the investment unit as its in negative equity .
    Even if they sold now ,they would owe the bank 50k plus .
    Most immigrants or anon nationals are working and paying tax .

    Unemployment rate for Nigerians in Ireland is 75% the last time I checked

    Pull the other one.


  • #193
    vriesmays
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Shakey_jake wrote: »
    Does anyone know how all the Africans ended up in gaffs out in balbriggan??

    Like im just curious, did they buy them or did they get on the social?

    Niall Mellon must have built them.


  • #194
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    I wish I was unemployable. I'd have a house by now. Tax payers are mugs


  • #195
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Blueshoe wrote:
    I wish I was unemployable. I'd have a house by now. Tax payers are mugs


    Not absolutely true now, a hotel room could very well be your home, and possibly indefinitely


  • #196
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Not absolutely true now, a hotel room could very well be your home, and possibly indefinitely

    Don't think so. I'm my little town there are a few dozen houses filled with locals who never did a days work. I went to school with some of them! Had a few kids , haap pays the rent and they drink pints at the weekend.

    I get up for work everyday and make sacrifices to save like an eejit


  • #197
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Blueshoe wrote:
    I get up for work everyday and make sacrifices to save like an eejit


    I'd imagine long term unemployment isn't much fun, even if it seems that way, you're far better off being well educated, trained and employed, as there's a better chance of a higher quality of life overall. Be more concerned for the rising cost of living and decreasing working standards, than what the unemployed are at


  • #198
    beejee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I'd imagine long term unemployment isn't much fun, even if it seems that way, you're far better off being well educated, trained and employed, as there's a better chance of a higher quality of life overall. Be more concerned for the rising cost of living and decreasing working standards, than what the unemployed are at

    Although not perfectly culpable, too many people competing for limited resource will have that net negative effect.

    Employment/housing/quality of life...too many people in Dublin, and spreading beyond. Not only competition amongst ourselves but you're also squeezing inside a luas with a Jamaican, queuing alongside a German, trying to rent places against a Brazilian, applying for a job beside French and Indian and Italian.

    I'm sure some genius somewhere thought this situation would lead to IMPROVED quality of life, but then there's that pesky reality thing...


  • #199
    AlphabetCards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭AlphabetCards


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I'd imagine long term unemployment isn't much fun, even if it seems that way, you're far better off being well educated, trained and employed, as there's a better chance of a higher quality of life overall. Be more concerned for the rising cost of living and decreasing working standards, than what the unemployed are at

    LOL.

    As others have said, you are competing for jobs in a situation which allows for businesses to depress wages. Somehow, people in the capital are now competing for accommodation allowing for rents to be driven unbelievably high. Businesses have now achieved their dream. The increase in population due to economic immigration exceeds what we can provide services for so now we take wheels off trolleys and call them hospital beds. Wealth inequality grows by the year. Taxes, charges, healthcare costs and childcare strip the money from your wages before you can even start saving for your future....

    But hey, quality of life is on the up, right? R-right you guys?
    I'm sure some genius somewhere thought this situation would lead to IMPROVED quality of life, but then there's that pesky reality thing...

    Lol, the people set to profit from this know damn well of the ill-effects, but they don't affect them...


  • #200
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Someone has instructed CIE to suddenly suspend political adds so perhaps the establishment agree open borders are part the problem.

    https://twitter.com/IrexitFreedom/status/1130074725043118080


  • #201
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Someone has instructed CIE to suddenly suspend political adds so perhaps the establishment agree open borders are part the problem.

    NBRU made representations. As did some very vocal headbangers on Twitter.


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