Drones.

kneemos · 20-12-2018 5:17pm #1

How easy would it be to close every airport in a country?
Probably see these things being banned completely.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/20/gatwick-chaos-drones-cause-flights-cancelled-live-updates/l

JMNolan · 20-12-2018 5:20pm

There is no ordinary drone that can harm an airplane. Like Met Eireann and their weather warnings, this was a complete overreaction.

Graces7 · 20-12-2018 5:33pm

JMNolan wrote: »

There is no ordinary drone that can harm an airplane. Like Met Eireann and their weather warnings, this was a complete overreaction.

manonboard · 20-12-2018 5:46pm

JMNolan wrote: »

There is no ordinary drone that can harm an airplane. Like Met Eireann and their weather warnings, this was a complete overreaction.

I thought even a couple of birds could wreck a jet engine...
Couldnt a drone with some wire hanging out of it cause a problem...
or very easily.... a combustible substance attached to it that would detonate on impact?

Alun · 20-12-2018 5:49pm

JMNolan wrote: »

There is no ordinary drone that can harm an airplane. Like Met Eireann and their weather warnings, this was a complete overreaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH0V7kp-xg0

Not to mention what it would do if ingested by an engine.

Effects · 20-12-2018 5:55pm

Alun wrote: »

Not to mention what it would do if ingested by an engine.

From DJI, in relation to that video, which is apparently misleading:

The speed of the impact in the video assumes that the Mooney M20 used in the project was flying at maximum cruising speed and the drone was flying beyond its maximum speed. The plane would only be flying that fast at altitudes well above a drone's regulated maximum altitude. DJI asserts that the actual impact energy would be much lower due to the slower speed the plane would be flying at were it to encounter a drone at a normal altitude where they're found.
The researchers used the damage caused to a four-seater plane as evidence of that which would be caused to a commercial jet.
The researchers did not follow rigorous scientific testing protocol.
The test was designed to maximize damage instead of following FAA's protocol, which dictate testing the most likely scenario.

Effects · 20-12-2018 5:57pm

manonboard wrote: »

a combustible substance attached to it that would detonate on impact?

Isis have used drones for this in the past.

Smiles35 · 20-12-2018 6:30pm

Effects wrote: »

From DJI, in relation to that video, which is apparently misleading:

The speed of the impact in the video assumes that the Mooney M20 used in the project was flying at maximum cruising speed and the drone was flying beyond its maximum speed. The plane would only be flying that fast at altitudes well above a drone's regulated maximum altitude. DJI asserts that the actual impact energy would be much lower due to the slower speed the plane would be flying at were it to encounter a drone at a normal altitude where they're found.
The researchers used the damage caused to a four-seater plane as evidence of that which would be caused to a commercial jet.
The researchers did not follow rigorous scientific testing protocol.
The test was designed to maximize damage instead of following FAA's protocol, which dictate testing the most likely scenario.

DJI are relying on people legally being allowed to fly these at small airfields so that's very valid comment on their part. That's how the law stands here now regarding propeller driven rc aircraft.

MarkHenderson · 20-12-2018 6:31pm

Military are involved now.

BeerWolf · 20-12-2018 6:34pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Yq_6tYQAE

TheValeyard · 20-12-2018 6:38pm

TheRiverman · 20-12-2018 6:39pm

It's not the drones that are the problem,it's the most dangerous creations on the planet,human beings.

Harry Palmr · 20-12-2018 6:51pm

Putin could close the UK down by remote control from his bunker.

VeryTerry · 20-12-2018 6:55pm

There's nothing like hiking to some lovely spot and some bellend with a drone starts buzzing the poxy thing over your head.

Smiles35 · 20-12-2018 6:56pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Putin could close the UK down by remote control from his bunker.

We counld patrol our own airspace!

kneemos · 20-12-2018 7:06pm

Graces7 wrote: »

No way they could take a chance if someone is deliberately flying a drone up and down the runway.
Possibly be on manslaughter charges if something happened,and of course loss of life and financial damages.

Smiles35 · 20-12-2018 7:23pm

People keeping an eye out the windows for a drone on the taxiway.

Discodog · 20-12-2018 7:39pm

Next will be hunter killer drones stationed at airports & ready to attack any incoming drone.

Gatling · 20-12-2018 7:40pm

It's relatively easy to prevent this happening around airports between software and hardware drones could easily be blocked from.getting close to any airport

20-12-2018 7:42pm

VeryTerry wrote: »

There's nothing like hiking to some lovely spot and some bellend with a drone starts buzzing the poxy thing over your head.

The views you can get of sights around the country are unreal unsung a drone, stuff you could never see and from angles you get never get. They are fantastic for sightseeing etc.

gctest50 · 20-12-2018 7:44pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's relatively easy to prevent this happening around airports between software and hardware drones could easily be blocked from.getting close to any airport

how ?

Markcheese · 20-12-2018 7:49pm

Airport Hawks used in Netherlands to remove drones... Dunno how long it takes to train up a hawk or buzzard to do this, but I reckon it'll be coming soon to an airport near you...
They'll need big owls too to take out night flying drones..

https://youtu.be/dc_ovddVRKE

I'm sure there's better links out there...

20-12-2018 7:53pm

gctest50 wrote: »

how ?

GPS location. I’ve often got a warning that I was in a “no fly zone” when flying a drone loads of times (being in a city or “too close” to an airport (I was a long way from it)). You can just overrule the warning though at the moment but I assume they could make it so you can’t overrule it.

If they did do this though they would want to relax the no fly zones as they are ridiculous at the moment.

TheValeyard · 20-12-2018 8:13pm

We blame the Russians?

Venom · 20-12-2018 8:27pm

Matilda Hissing Army wrote: »

GPS location. I’ve often got a warning that I was in a “no fly zone” when flying a drone loads of times (being in a city or “too close” to an airport (I was a long way from it)). You can just overrule the warning though at the moment but I assume they could make it so you can’t overrule it.

If they did do this though they would want to relax the no fly zones as they are ridiculous at the moment.

But what's to stop someone from altering the software themselves so they could fly in a no-fly zone and then causing mischief like what happened today?

Mr.Crinklewood · 20-12-2018 8:29pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's relatively easy to prevent this happening around airports between software and hardware drones could easily be blocked from.getting close to any airport

I know it would be a larger scale,but they could use nets to stop drones like they do on prisons.

TheValeyard · 20-12-2018 8:32pm

Whenever I've seen a drone fly the battery is dead in less than 20minutes. Has this dude got some van filled with them or what's going on

Smiles35 · 20-12-2018 8:32pm

Hard to tell from the satellite footage what exactly blew the man with the remote control back into his house, put the drone in his mouth and smashed up his gaff.

Venom · 20-12-2018 8:36pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Whenever I've seen a drone fly the battery is dead in less than 20minutes. Has this dude got some van filled with them or what's going on

It said on the news it was an industrial drone, not the small consumer yokes.

goat2 · 20-12-2018 8:45pm

How high can these drones climb, what speed can they do, could these be used to down a jet,

whiskeyman · 20-12-2018 10:10pm

Don't think we're hearing the full story here.
Even if it is industrial drones, surely would be easier to track?

And if any groups wished to bring the whole country to a standstill, they just need to get their hands on a few more for Heathrow, Standsted and other major airports.

20-12-2018 10:29pm

whiskeyman wrote: »

Don't think we're hearing the full story here.
Even if it is industrial drones, surely would be easier to track?

And if any groups wished to bring the whole country to a standstill, they just need to get their hands on a few more for Heathrow, Standsted and other major airports.

That`s it, they are cheap and mass produced, different era we are living in.

OldMrBrennan83 · 20-12-2018 10:35pm

Hopefully they start doling out jail terms for this.

kneemos · 20-12-2018 10:37pm

Could be a test run.

Del.Monte · 20-12-2018 10:45pm

Often toyed with getting a drone myself - for the kids - and I like aerial photography but decided on balance that the potential for danger, intentional or otherwise, is too great so dismissed idea. The drones are like the way the internet made censorship redundant but in this case, something can be done. It should be necessary to have police vetting to own/use a drone and like owning a shotgun there should be a damn good reason to own one. Flying them anywhere where a threat to human life is possible should be outlawed completely and if that hinders the lifestyle of the snowflake 'do what you like' generation' - tough ****.

YFlyer · 21-12-2018 1:35am

goat2 wrote: »

How high can these drones climb, what speed can they do, could these be used to down a jet,

Depends on the type? Variable speed? Possibly?

21-12-2018 1:41am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Often toyed with getting a drone myself - for the kids - and I like aerial photography but decided on balance that the potential for danger, intentional or otherwise, is too great so dismissed idea. The drones are like the way the internet made censorship redundant but in this case, something can be done. It should be necessary to have police vetting to own/use a drone and like owning a shotgun there should be a damn good reason to own one. Flying them anywhere where a threat to human life is possible should be outlawed completely and if that hinders the lifestyle of the snowflake 'do what you like' generation' - tough ****.

Exaggerate much??

YFlyer · 21-12-2018 1:48am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Often toyed with getting a drone myself - for the kids - and I like aerial photography but decided on balance that the potential for danger, intentional or otherwise, is too great so dismissed idea. The drones are like the way the internet made censorship redundant but in this case, something can be done. It should be necessary to have police vetting to own/use a drone and like owning a shotgun there should be a damn good reason to own one. Flying them anywhere where a threat to human life is possible should be outlawed completely and if that hinders the lifestyle of the snowflake 'do what you like' generation' - tough ****.

Eh.. Fly them elsewhere then.

Effects · 21-12-2018 1:54am

Del.Monte wrote: »

if that hinders the lifestyle of the snowflake 'do what you like' generation' - tough ****.

It’s sounds like youre the only snowflake around here. “Don’t fly that drone, my hipster ears don’t like it.”

Franz Von Peppercorn · 21-12-2018 1:58am

Indeed they should be banned.

dense · 21-12-2018 2:05am

Just saw that passengers, with babies were left on a plane for 8 hours before being told they weren't flying.

The authorities clearly couldn't give a shît about them.

That is not acceptable by any standard of passenger care.

dense · 21-12-2018 2:11am

whiskeyman wrote: »

Don't think we're hearing the full story here.
Even if it is industrial drones, surely would be easier to track?

And if any groups wished to bring the whole country to a standstill, they just need to get their hands on a few more for Heathrow, Standsted and other major airports.

It shows how simple it could be.
We could just make them illegal. Like guns. And drugs.

The criminals would have to not use them then.....

21-12-2018 2:24am

dense wrote: »

It shows how simple it could be.
We could just make them illegal. Like guns. And drugs.

The criminals would have to not use them then.....

Ah no! I’ve just bought and wrapped one up as my husbands Christmas present!

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-12-2018 2:49am

Effects wrote: »

From DJI, in relation to that video, which is apparently misleading:

DJI who also have multiple early right hand ads (not cheap) in some newspapers, warning that their Mavic2Pro (not cheap) is now very low in stock, with a major online/uk retailer.

Raheem Euro · 21-12-2018 5:03am

dense wrote: »

It shows how simple it could be.
We could just make them illegal. Like guns. And drugs.

The criminals would have to not use them then.....

If you ban them they'll just go over ground. I mean underground.

Graces7 · 21-12-2018 7:10am

kneemos wrote: »

No way they could take a chance if someone is deliberately flying a drone up and down the runway.
Possibly be on manslaughter charges if something happened,and of course loss of life and financial damages.

exactly... remembering an episode on "Casualty" when a drone brought down a chopper.

I was half asleep and going offline when that was posted and was sure boardsies would sort him..:D Could not believe anyone could be so..... ignorant?

Oh and there was a section on one of the real life airport security series where they had to close the airport because of drones.

Just catching up on news; I hope they get it down and find the ***********

freshpopcorn · 21-12-2018 8:30am

nim1bdeh38l2cw · 21-12-2018 8:34am

JMNolan wrote: »

There is no ordinary drone that can harm an airplane. Like Met Eireann and their weather warnings, this was a complete overreaction.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057939448/5/#post108933916

dark crystal · 21-12-2018 9:19am

My partner and son are supposed to be flying into Gatwick tomorrow to spend Christmas with his family. I hope this d*ckhead is thwarted before then :mad:

Wanderer78 · 21-12-2018 9:23am

dark crystal wrote:

My partner and son are supposed to be flying into Gatwick tomorrow to spend Christmas with his family. I hope this d*ckhead is thwarted before then

Hopefully that's the end of it now, but expect delays. Enjoy your Christmas

Effects · 21-12-2018 9:33am

dark crystal wrote: »

My partner and son are supposed to be flying into Gatwick tomorrow to spend Christmas with his family. I hope this d*ckhead is thwarted before then :mad:

Get the boat

Drones.

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