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Tier 2 proposals published

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  • #102
    conor05
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭conor05


    Like the hurling there is only a few teams that can realistically compete for Sam Maguire.
    In the last 10 years 4 different counties have won Sam, 5 different counties have won Liam. It’s never really going to jump much higher.

    The weaker hurling counties had to suck it up and get on with their new Tiered All Irelands with pathetic coverage and almost a blitz type run off.

    Look what Laois done this year under Eddie Brennan, they grabbed the opportunity with both hands and made it to the All Ireland q final and lost to eventual winners Tipp by 10pts with 14 men. Tipp bet Kilkenny by 14pts.

    Kerry, Westmeath and Carlow hurlers have all improved under the new structures. In 2007, Kerry were Nearly relegated to the Nicky Rackard but then put structures in place to get into division 1b hurling in 2016 and Joe McDonagh.
    They have all put massive underage coaching in place in heir own counties with the backing of their county board (I know they are in Joe McDonagh and counties below that are treated worse).

    Some counties will moan and moan and use it as a further excuse from not getting their house in order but the few counties that do take that opportunity to improve can benefit from the new Football Tier 2.

    You can sink or swim.


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    conor05 wrote: »
    Like the hurling there is only a few teams that can realistically compete for Sam Maguire.
    In the last 10 years 4 different counties have won Sam, 5 different counties have won Liam. It’s never really going to jump much higher.

    The weaker hurling counties had to suck it up and get on with their new Tiered All Irelands with pathetic coverage and almost a blitz type run off.

    Look what Laois done this year under Eddie Brennan, they grabbed the opportunity with both hands and made it to the All Ireland q final and lost to eventual winners Tipp by 10pts with 14 men. Tipp bet Kilkenny by 14pts.

    Kerry, Westmeath and Carlow hurlers have all improved under the new structures. In 2007, Kerry were Nearly relegated to the Nicky Rackard but then put structures in place to get into division 1b hurling in 2016 and Joe McDonagh.
    They have all put massive underage coaching in place in heir own counties with the backing of their county board (I know they are in Joe McDonagh and counties below that are treated worse).

    Some counties will moan and moan and use it as a further excuse from not getting their house in order but the few counties that do take that opportunity to improve can benefit from the new Football Tier 2.

    You can sink or swim.

    Hurling has a good structure. This football one is a mess.


  • #104
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    GAA should be investing in counties, that will make them stronger.

    Roscommon county board can't afford to field a junior county side, couldn't afford turnstiles at Hyde Park (and were pressurised by the GAA and connacht council to get them or no more finals in the hyde) and went cap in hand around the bars and restaurants to get enough money so that our under 17 side had a decent hotel to stay in for all ireland final in 2017.

    We are considered a top 8 team so can't imagine the struggles Longford, Louth, Leitrim, Wicklow have to endure financially.


  • #105
    blowitupref
    Registered Users Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Sounds like the shelf life of this tier 2 competition will be shorter than the Tommy Murphy cup

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1106/1089127-gpas-flynn-tier-2-player-boycott-is-a-possibility/


  • #106
    conor05
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭conor05


    blowitupref wrote: »
    Sounds like the shelf life of this tier 2 competition will be shorter than the Tommy Murphy cup

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1106/1089127-gpas-flynn-tier-2-player-boycott-is-a-possibility/

    Boycott or not, the big wigs in Croke Park don’t want the weaker counties involved in the run for Sam Maguire. This is the way it’s going to stay.
    They want an elite 8 and that’s it. Louth and Leitrim boycotting it won’t make one difference, the only ones that will lose out will be county boards and players.
    It won’t affect Croke Park (pockets) and that’s all that matters to them.


  • #107
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    conor05 wrote: »
    Boycott or not, the big wigs in Croke Park don’t want the weaker counties involved in the run for Sam Maguire. This is the way it’s going to stay.
    They want an elite 8 and that’s it. Louth and Leitrim boycotting it won’t make one difference, the only ones that will lose out will be county boards and players.
    It won’t affect Croke Park (pockets) and that’s all that matters to them.


    Makes no sense, they would love to see a deep run in the cship for one of the weaker counties. Louth or Leitrim would bring massive crowds to a last 8 game


  • #108
    conor05
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭conor05


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Makes no sense, they would love to see a deep run in the cship for one of the weaker counties. Louth or Leitrim would bring massive crowds to a last 8 game

    Louth got to a division 3 final 2 years ago in Croke Park against Tipperary and 650 of their ‘massive crowd’ came to support them.

    You might say it’s only a league final, but it’s very rare for Louth to play in Croke Park, never mind a final in Croke Park.

    Actually the Division 4 Final was Westmeath v Wexford and division 3 final was Tipp v Louth that day and between the 4 counties they brought a combined attendance of wait for it.......5,000. Absolutely shocking.

    The Kerry hurling county final regularly gets 5,000 at it and that’s in a football dominated county.

    Do your research before replying about not making sense.


  • #109
    DonegalBay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭DonegalBay


    So this is my crazy alternative to the tier 2 system. Open to all criticism as every system is.

    1. Scrap the Provincial Championships.
    2. Have Championship directly linked to League placings.
    3. At the end of the NFL, bottom 16 teams placed in 4 groups of 4 with seedings based on League finishing position. Each team plays 3 games like current Super 8 with top two in each group going to next stage. This mini league to be played in May over 3 week period.
    4. Round 2: the 8 qualifiers from group stages play the 8 teams in Div 2 over two legs home and away. June.
    5. Round 3: 8 Winners advance to Rd 3 to play 8 Div 1 teams over two legs home and away. July
    6. Quarter finals and semi finals to be played in open draw over one game. August.
    7. Push AI final back one week

    Pro's: Even the weakest Counties get at least 3 games against teams of a similar level. Possibly give's teams a chance to develop a head of steam before the next round against stronger teams.
    All teams are starting off with a shot at the Sam Maguire.
    This system also means bigger counties may get a chance to play Club Championships before July/August.
    More importance placed on League as it provides advantages for doing well.



    Con's: No provincial Championships.
    Giving stronger teams a bye would appear to give them an advantage, but perhaps the fact that they would be coming in cold might give the weaker teams more of a chance, and I bet the stronger Counties would not like that idea, hence the two leg ties.
    Some teams may only get 2 games.
    8 teams out before June.
    May be little interest in the mini league, but up to GAA to really promote.

    Main possible alteration. Instead of two legs in Round 2/3. Have a straight one game tie.
    Pro's: Possible more chance of upsets, due to teams coming in cold, but itsnt that what the GAA want.
    Con's: Could see some teams only having one game.


  • #110
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    blowitupref wrote: »
    Sounds like the shelf life of this tier 2 competition will be shorter than the Tommy Murphy cup

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1106/1089127-gpas-flynn-tier-2-player-boycott-is-a-possibility/

    Yeah can't see this thing lasting too long.

    Ridiculous people like our own Hugh Lynn (roscommon Pro) was supporting this


  • #111
    cms88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭cms88


    conor05 wrote: »
    Louth got to a division 3 final 2 years ago in Croke Park against Tipperary and 650 of their ‘massive crowd’ came to support them.

    You might say it’s only a league final, but it’s very rare for Louth to play in Croke Park, never mind a final in Croke Park.

    Actually the Division 4 Final was Westmeath v Wexford and division 3 final was Tipp v Louth that day and between the 4 counties they brought a combined attendance of wait for it.......5,000. Absolutely shocking.

    The Kerry hurling county final regularly gets 5,000 at it and that’s in a football dominated county.

    Do your research before replying about not making sense.

    So is there more than that coming to those counties championship games that will stop if there's a second tier?


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  • #112
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They need to even up the provinces if they insist on keeping them.


  • #113
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    They need to even up the provinces if they insist on keeping them.

    They need to get rid of them. End of.

    I like the proposal above, but get rid of the 2 legs.


  • #114
    [Deleted User]
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    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    They need to get rid of them. End of.

    I like the proposal above, but get rid of the 2 legs.

    They wouldn't want less of the big teams playing and missing two rounds.

    8 groups of 4, top two to straight 16 knockout, bottom two to straight 16 B knockout. Play each other once in the group or twice if it fits.


  • #115
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    DonegalBay wrote: »
    So this is my crazy alternative to the tier 2 system. Open to all criticism as every system is.

    1. Scrap the Provincial Championships.
    2. Have Championship directly linked to League placings.
    provincial championships shouldn't have to be scrapped. By all means change their role in fight for Sam to help streamline season but keep them. Winning one means so much and is chance for some counties to win silverware they otherwise wont win
    3. At the end of the NFL, bottom 16 teams placed in 4 groups of 4 with seedings based on League finishing position. Each team plays 3 games like current Super 8 with top two in each group going to next stage. This mini league to be played in May over 3 week period.
    why?
    Sides from other divisions disadvantaged and doesnt help them
    Pro's: Even the weakest Counties get at least 3 games against teams of a similar level. Possibly give's teams a chance to develop a head of steam before the next round against stronger teams.
    All teams are starting off with a shot at the Sam Maguire.
    This system also means bigger counties may get a chance to play Club Championships before July/August.
    More importance placed on League as it provides advantages for doing well.
    counties if they stand firm on demands from county coaches and clubs and county boards grow a pair then club championship games can be played earlier in the year.
    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    They need to get rid of them. End of.

    I like the proposal above, but get rid of the 2 legs.
    they dont. The time it takes for them to be played off is the issue not anything else. They still should and IMO have to be played


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