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    #92
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Deleted User wrote: »
    how is it playing into dairy farmers hands to reform/update a payment system based on activity over 20 years ago?



    Like this free money gravy train was never gonna last forever....i see lads with payments of well north of 150K,who have only sold silage and rented sheds the last 10 years or so,


    The ifa hoping a minister for agriculture from donegal is gonna save their historical payments againest smaller west of ireland farmers is a political misjudge of scale similar to the dup trying to bring back a hard border and completly misses larger picture here....they have no clout and time has run out on this particular gravy train
    The number with 150k is so small if it was all distributed to other farmers it would make very little difference to their overall position


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    #93
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭tanko


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    Why not blame the lazy fathers who didn't maximise their payments?

    What a pathetic statement.


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    #94
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    tanko wrote: »
    What a pathetic statement.

    This statement was made by an IFA man at a meeting when farmers were complaining that their sons couldn't expand due to the quota system. I was just entering dairying at the time and had to abandon my plans. Luckily I hadn't any building done


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    #95
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    This statement was made by an IFA man at a meeting when farmers were complaining that their sons couldn't expand due to the quota system. I was just entering dairying at the time and had to abandon my plans. Luckily I hadn't any building done

    That must be 30 years ago though, milk quotas came in around early 80s did they not?


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    #96
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    That must be 30 years ago though, milk quotas came in around early 80s did they not?

    1984


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    #97
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    That must be 30 years ago though, milk quotas came in around early 80s did they not?

    Yes it would be over 30 years ago. The man that made the statement would have a good quota built up. Not many would make that statement at a public meeting


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    #98
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,057 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    That must be 30 years ago though, milk quotas came in around early 80s did they not?

    There's another precedent, we were all kept out of dairying for 30 years, entitlements have only lasted 20 years. Plenty of dairy guys were arrogant pups, no regard for lads that'd have land rented for a few years, they'd just bully in and take it and fence nothing


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    #99
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    Why not blame the lazy fathers who didn't maximise their payments?

    Away you go, I'm not stopping you.


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    #100
    Cattlepen
    Registered Users Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Cattlepen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm not sure what an "ago" is :confused:

    Anyone crying they can't make a go of it when they get a €60,000 cheque handed to them a year needs a solid kick up the hole. Commercial my arse.

    The “ago” should be SFP. Sorry about that.
    And anyone whinging about what other people are getting in SFP need a kick the other side of their body from their hole, IMO of course


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    #101
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Cattlepen wrote: »
    The “ago” should be SFP. Sorry about that.
    And anyone whinging about what other people are getting in SFP need a kick the other side of their body from their hole, IMO of course

    Nah mate you don't get it, I bet your one of those farmers who aren't focused on profit and asks Gabe brown's neighbour for advise.


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    #102
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cattlepen wrote: »
    The “ago” should be SFP. Sorry about that.
    And anyone whinging about what other people are getting in SFP need a kick the other side of their body from their hole, IMO of course

    Too bad CAP is public money. What you earn from your farm is your own business. Subtle difference.


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    #103
    Cattlepen
    Registered Users Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Cattlepen


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    Nah mate you don't get it, I bet your one of those farmers who aren't focused on profit and asks Gabe brown's neighbour for advise.

    I think u might be the one that doesn’t get it. I corrected my typo error in that post. I don’t get cap money anymore. Sold the SFP, got out of sheep scheme and was never in glas,suckler welfare etc. If I don’t make profit I won’t stick it long so what exactly are you on about?

    Getting back on point, why aren’t the pro capping people volunteering to reduce their SFP pro rata to the capping their suggesting there by saving “public money”? Take one for the team chaps and be good little socialists!!!


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    #104
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cattlepen wrote: »
    Getting back on point, why aren’t the pro capping people volunteering to reduce their SFP pro rata to the capping their suggesting there by saving “public money”? Take one for the team chaps and be good little socialists!!!

    I'll get less by the end of this proposed CAP than I do now, IF Ireland implements it like they should, so well ahead of you there Comrade.


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    #105
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Away you go, I'm not stopping you.

    I presume you mean go dairying?. I'm afraid life has moved on. Quota introduced about 36 years ago. Too old now unfortunately. I still regret that I missed that opportunity. Farm was just being transferred to me at the time. Took the sheep route instead.


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    #106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    I presume you mean go dairying?. I'm afraid life has moved on. Quota introduced about 36 years ago. Too old now unfortunately. I still regret that I missed that opportunity. Farm was just being transferred to me at the time. Took the sheep route instead.

    Blaming peoples fathers :D

    I'm not a believer in it, sons and fathers are often chalk and cheese, either way it wouldn't be a fair thing to do. Treat individuals as such.


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    #107
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Blaming peoples fathers :D

    I'm not a believer in it, sons and fathers are often chalk and cheese, either way it wouldn't be a fair thing to do. Treat individuals as such.

    I agree completely I was just relating what one man said.


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    #108
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,057 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Blaming peoples fathers :D

    I'm not a believer in it, sons and fathers are often chalk and cheese, either way it wouldn't be a fair thing to do. Treat individuals as such.

    Old saying claimed that ''after a gatherer comes a scatterer''.
    It's so true in many cases.
    On saying that I'll probably be ''scattering'' my fathers ''gathering'' in the next few years


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    #109
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    wrangler wrote: »
    Old saying claimed that ''after a gatherer comes a scatterer''.
    It's so true in many cases.
    On saying that I'll probably be ''scattering'' my fathers ''gathering'' in the next few years

    You were lucky that he was a gatherer.


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    #110
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,475 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    You were lucky that he was a gatherer.

    See allot of lads riding on the coat tails of previous generations who think other lads without the same set up are lazy, it’s best ignored.

    Know one lad I was at school with who inherited a decent set up and a €60k payment. He calls it as he is amd says he is blessed lucky. Splits off €30k for the house. €30k for payments for loans to buy more land amd his cattle just have to break even, buys the best of cattle, new keep, new trailer €80k tractor but makes no excuse other than it’s the €60k payment he survives on. Wife is a teacher.


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    #111
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,057 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    You were lucky that he was a gatherer.

    I regret not scattering it when I had the energy to.
    My father worked hard with very little, don't know if I'd do the same
    Once it was obvious we wouldn't have a family we should've let it off.


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    #112
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    wrangler wrote: »
    I regret not scattering it when I had the energy to.
    My father worked hard with very little, don't know if I'd do the same
    Once it was obvious we wouldn't have a family we should've let it off.

    Taken it a bit easy maybe but if you had sold it and invested the money in bank shares or the like and lost most of it you would be cursing it for the rest of your life. I'm sure you enjoyed it in your younger days. Many people that have a family don't have a successor and then it may get scattered. In my case my uncle never married so I inherited the farm which was fairly small and neglected. I was reared in a town so it took me a while to learn the business. Built it up over the years.Most of it now passed on to the next generation, still helping out.


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