Importing a used bike from England

lipso · 12-05-2021 10:26pm #1

Hi, what is the story re importing a used bike from England, eg a 2010 with 14000km. I know there’ll be vrt on it, no,vat because it’s more than 6000km on it.
But what about customs duty? How much?

colm_c · 12-05-2021 10:53pm

lipso wrote: »

Hi, what is the story re importing a used bike from England, eg a 2010 with 14000km. I know there’ll be vrt on it, no,vat because it’s more than 6000km on it.
But what about customs duty? How much?

You will have to pay duty, VAT and VRT.

Unless it's an absolute bargain, it won't be worth it.

The days of bringing in bikes from the UK to save a few Bob are gone.

Some exceptions for bikes registered in NI before 2021.

lipso · 12-05-2021 11:01pm

Surely there’s only vat payable if it’s under 6 months old or has less than 6000km on it.
How is customs duty calculated

colm_c · 12-05-2021 11:12pm

lipso wrote: »

Surely there’s only vat payable if it’s under 6 months old or has less than 6000km on it.
How is customs duty calculated

VAT is due on any goods entering the EU, UK is no longer in the EU, so VAT is due.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/brexit-for-individuals/importing-a-vehicle-from-great-britain-gb-or-northern-ireland.aspx

You have to find the code for duty, I think it is 0% for motorbikes though.

Read up on revenue.ie all the details are there.

Mjolnir · 13-05-2021 12:06am

lipso wrote: »

Surely there’s only vat payable if it’s under 6 months old or has less than 6000km on it.
How is customs duty calculated

Vat will be due on purchase and transportation price regardless of age and millage.
Duty is 0% from England.

Eg.
Bike -£2300/ €2678.94
Transportation -€80
Vrt -€100

2678.94 + 80 = 2758.94 + 23% (634.55) =€3393.50
3393.50 + 100 = €3493.50 total

macplaxton · 13-05-2021 1:02am

Mjolnir wrote: »

Duty is 0% from England.

Is duty not based on County Of Origin?

e.g. Japanese manufactured motorcycle @ 1.5%

galwaytt · 14-05-2021 9:44pm

macplaxton wrote: »

Is duty not based on County Of Origin?

e.g. Japanese manufactured motorcycle @ 1.5%

No. 10% duty on UK imports to here.

galwaytt · 14-05-2021 9:48pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Vat will be due on purchase and transportation price regardless of age and millage.
Duty is 0% from England.

Eg.
Bike -£2300/ €2678.94
Transportation -€80
Vrt -€100

2678.94 + 80 = 2758.94 + 23% (634.55) =€3393.50
3393.50 + 100 = €3493.50 total

Having just imported a bike, the only way you're avoiding 10% duty is to buy in NI.

And €80 transport from UK isn't accurate. I paid €330.

So the sums above are over optimistic.

Mjolnir · 14-05-2021 9:49pm

galwaytt wrote: »

Having just imported a bike, the only way you're avoiding 10% duty is to buy in NI.

And €80 transport from UK isn't accurate. I paid €330.

So the sums above are over optimistic.

You must be great craic at parties, it's an example to show the maths, never did I say those were the actual figures.

galwaytt · 14-05-2021 9:50pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

You must be great craic at parties, it's an example to show the maths, never did I say those were the actual figures.

Why not just post accurate figures then ? ....it takes no less effort and is actually useful

Mjolnir · 14-05-2021 10:05pm

galwaytt wrote: »

Why not just post accurate figures then ? ....it takes no less effort and is actually useful

Because I don't have to to show someone how the maths works.
I've no idea the figure on the bike, if he's going to get the ferry over and back or have a bike transporter take it.
Nor do I need to know any of the above to show him how to work it out for himself.
For all we know he could fly over and take it back on the ferry.

I'm sure he's well able follow a given example and insert his own figures. So that's why I didn't post "accurate" figures. He asked for a calculation and was given one, if he wanted exact figures he'd of asked.

You quoting an example and pointing out a random figure serves less purpose than showing someone how to do it with random figures, so what's your point?

newmember2 · 14-05-2021 10:05pm

galwaytt wrote: »

Having just imported a bike, the only way you're avoiding 10% duty is to buy in NI.

And €80 transport from UK isn't accurate. I paid €330.

So the sums above are over optimistic.

So they go on the invoiced purchase price? What about private sales etc.?

Mjolnir · 14-05-2021 10:06pm

newmember? wrote: »

So they go on the invoiced purchase price? What about private sales etc.?

You'll need a receipt, you can write one up, just don't take the piss on the figure.

galwaytt · 14-05-2021 10:23pm

Mjolnir wrote: »

Because I don't have to to show someone how the maths works.
I've no idea the figure on the bike, if he's going to get the ferry over and back or have a bike transporter take it.
Nor do I need to know any of the above to show him how to work it out for himself.
For all we know he could fly over and take it back on the ferry.

I'm sure he's well able follow a given example and insert his own figures. So that's why I didn't post "accurate" figures. He asked for a calculation and was given one, if he wanted exact figures he'd of asked.

You quoting an example and pointing out a random figure serves less purpose than showing someone how to do it with random figures, so what's your point?

No you don't, but leaving out Duty makes your example misleading.

macplaxton · 16-05-2021 9:15pm

galwaytt wrote: »

No. 10% duty on UK imports to here.

That's used passenger cars (commodity code heading 8703) [sidenote: buying a new car from UK of Japanese origin has 6.3% duty rate]

If they are charging third country duty on a motorcycle, then it looks like 1.5% direct from Japan, but if third country duty is applicable on Japanese made motorcycle via GB then it's 6%?

(commodity code heading 8711)

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20210516&Area=JP&MeasType=&StartPub=&EndPub=&MeasText=&GoodsText=&op=&Taric=8711500000&search_text=goods&textSearch=&LangDescr=en&OrderNum=&Regulation=&measStartDat=&measEndDat=

The Revenue page talks of used passenger cars and gives example for all other vehicles look up the commodity code.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/registration-of-imported-used-vehicles/importing-a-vehicle-from-gb.aspx

tl;dr It's not 10% duty.

Edit to add: 8% duty on sub 250cc

lipso · 17-05-2021 12:31pm

galwaytt wrote: »

Having just imported a bike, the only way you're avoiding 10% duty is to buy in NI.

And €80 transport from UK isn't accurate. I paid €330.

So the sums above are over optimistic.

What the procedure then re vat and customs duty?

lipso · 17-05-2021 12:38pm

My bike is £350, £325 courier... it’s a 2013 125cc kymco.....vrt seems to be €50.
Vat would be 23% of 350? Customs duty would be % of so called Open market selling price?

Fabio · 17-05-2021 12:40pm

For a 125cc Kymco...would you not be better off buying from a dealer here? Is it a massive saving like?

I'm not being disrespectful or anything, I'd probably understand a little better if it was something pretty rare.

lipso · 17-05-2021 12:51pm

Fabio wrote: »

For a 125cc Kymco...would you not be better off buying from a dealer here? Is it a massive saving like?

I'm not being disrespectful or anything, I'd probably understand a little better if it was something pretty rare.

I understand what you’re saying but forget about the bike just interested in the calculations and costs to import it

CJhaughey · 17-05-2021 12:55pm

lipso wrote: »

My bike is £350, £325 courier... it’s a 2013 125cc kymco.....vrt seems to be €50.
Vat would be 23% of 350? Customs duty would be % of so called Open market selling price?

350+325=£675-€780
€780+23% =€960
+ Duty @ 6%= €1016
+ VRT @ €2 per cc = €250
- 8 years =€50
€1100 landed plus motor tax of €76 and plate.

macplaxton · 17-05-2021 1:32pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

350+325=£675-€780
+ Duty @ 6%= €1016

I'll just add following my previous post that third country duty on sub 250cc is 8%

lipso · 17-05-2021 1:33pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

350+325=£675-€780
€780+23% =€960
+ Duty @ 6%= €1016
+ VRT @ €2 per cc = €250
- 8 years =€50
€1100 landed plus motor tax of €76 and plate.

Thanks....what’s the 6% based on? Uk?

macplaxton · 17-05-2021 1:48pm

Based on TARIC 871120xxxx https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en

actually 8% of "landed cost" so sale price + shipping or transport/shipping insurance

lipso · 17-05-2021 1:59pm

Is that bike seen as uk origin or Taiwanese? For example Lexmoto is British but bikes made in China, so is customs duty based on uk or China?

macplaxton · 17-05-2021 2:08pm

lipso wrote: »

My bike is £350, £325 courier... it’s a 2013 125cc kymco.....vrt seems to be €50.
Vat would be 23% of 350? Customs duty would be % of so called Open market selling price?

CJhaughey wrote: »

350+325=£675-€780
€780+23% =€960
+ Duty @ 6%= €1016
+ VRT @ €2 per cc = €250
- 8 years =€50
€1100 landed plus motor tax of €76 and plate.

(not sure about the jump from €675 to €780? VAT goes on after duty applied)

€350 + €325 = €675
+ Duty @ 8% €54 = €729
+ VAT @ 23% €167.67 = €896.67
+ VRT @ €2 per cc €250 less age discount 80% €50 = €946.67

macplaxton · 17-05-2021 2:10pm

lipso wrote: »

Is that bike seen as uk origin or Taiwanese? For example Lexmoto is British but bikes made in China, so is customs duty based on uk or China?

It would appear to be GB import, but under "third country duty", because COO is China and not GB.

lipso · 17-05-2021 2:17pm

As a matter of interest I searched on donedeal for any 2012-2014 125s. 12 ads appear cheapest is €1100. So dear in Ireland.

CJhaughey · 17-05-2021 3:13pm

macplaxton wrote: »

(not sure about the jump from €675 to €780? VAT goes on after duty applied)

€350 + €325 = €675
+ Duty @ 8% €54 = €729
+ VAT @ 23% €167.67 = €896.67
+ VRT @ €2 per cc €250 less age discount 80% €50 = €946.67

Conversion from GBP to EUR (675-780)

lipso · 17-05-2021 10:34pm

If the bike was from EU, France or Germany how would these figures differ? Same except no customs duty?

macplaxton · 18-05-2021 4:05am

CJhaughey wrote: »

Conversion from GBP to EUR (675-780)

Ah, I see now

£350 + £325 = £675 / 0.86250 (Revenue Exchange Rate for May 2021*) = €782.60
+ Duty @ 8% €62.60 = €845.20
+ VAT @ 23% €194.39 = €1039.59
+ VRT @ €2 per cc €250 less age discount 80% €50 = €1089.59

* https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/importing-and-exporting/exchange-rates/2021/may-2021.aspx

CJhaughey · 18-05-2021 6:46am

lipso wrote: »

If the bike was from EU, France or Germany how would these figures differ? Same except no customs duty?

No vat applicable to EU registered except if <6000k or 6mths

macplaxton · 21-05-2021 6:22am

I looked up the duty rates for motorcycle/mopeds. Given that the intrinsic value is less than €700 for a £350 125cc in the OP's example, then 2.5% duty would apply.

Personally, I feel the need to bring either a cheap motorcycle or a dismantled one back with me on a future trip for my own personal use.

CN Code|Description|Duty
8711|Motorcycles (including mopeds) and cycles fitted with an auxiliary motor, with or without side-cars; side-cars : ||
8711 10 00| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50 cm³ |8.0%
8711 20| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 50 cm³ but not exceeding 250 cm³ : ||
8711 20 10| - - Scooters |8.0%
| - - Other, of a cylinder capacity : ||
8711 20 92| - - - Exceeding 50 cm³ but not exceeding 125 cm³ |8.0%
8711 20 98| - - - Exceeding 125 cm³ but not exceeding 250 cm³ |8.0%
8711 30| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 250 cm³ but not exceeding 500 cm³ : ||
8711 30 10| - - Of a cylinder capacity exceeding 250 cm³ but not exceeding 380 cm³ |6.0%
8711 30 90| - - Of a cylinder capacity exceeding 380 cm³ but not exceeding 500 cm³ |6.0%
8711 40 00| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 500 cm³ but not exceeding 800 cm³ : |6.0%
8711 50 00| - With reciprocating internal combustion piston engine of a cylinder capacity exceeding 800 cm³ : |6.0%
|||
8711 60| - With electric motor for propulsion : ||
8711 60 90| - - Other : |6.0%
|||
8711 90 00| - Other : |6.0%
|||
8714|Parts and accessories of vehicles of headings 8711 to 8713 : ||
8714 10| - Of motorcycles (including mopeds) : |
8714 10 10| - - Brakes and parts thereof |3.7%
8714 10 20| - - Gear boxes and parts thereof |3.7%
8714 10 30| - - Road wheels and parts and accessories thereof |3.7%
8714 10 40| - - Silencers (mufflers) and exhaust pipes; parts thereof |3.7%
8714 10 50| - - Clutches and parts thereof |3.7%
8714 10 90| - - Other |3.7%

Flat-rate 2.5 % customs duty shall apply, provided that the intrinsic value of the goods subject to import duty does not exceed € 700 per consignment or per traveller.

Links:

lipso · 21-05-2021 11:33am

Thanks for your help. So you think it’s 2.5%? These Eu regulations are complicated.
Is customs duty calculated after vat is added or before?

macplaxton · 21-05-2021 1:14pm

lipso wrote: »

Thanks for your help. So you think it’s 2.5%? These Eu regulations are complicated.

I think it is, but check with Revenue.

If personal items brought back personally
there's the € 430 "duty-free" allowance to consider.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/customs-information-for-travelling-and-duty-free-allowances/travelling-from-outside-the-eu/duty-free-allowances.aspx

lipso wrote: »

Is customs duty calculated after vat is added or before?

Mathematically* it doesn't matter, but procedurally they probably consider duty first before depressing you with the VAT.

ETA: (By that I mean it doesn't really matter if you add say 8% first then 23% or the other way round. Where it does matter is that in some cases customs duty is calculated on the intrinsic value of the goods rather than the landed cost. VAT gets lumped onto the whole lot every time.)

LollipopJimmy · 03-06-2021 4:48pm

I've provisionally agreed a deal on a 650cc bike in the UK. 2014 plate and with a price of €3400, I intend to drive it back so transport cost would be ferry.

I cant make sense of the above, too much conflicting info and also how and where do I pay the duty and vat should I go ahead.

There's two of the same bike for sale in Ireland, one has been messed with and the other is twice the price of this

Anybody give me a hand figuring it out?

LollipopJimmy · 03-06-2021 6:23pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I've provisionally agreed a deal on a 650cc bike in the UK. 2014 plate and with a price of €3400, I intend to drive it back so transport cost would be ferry.

I cant make sense of the above, too much conflicting info and also how and where do I pay the duty and vat should I go ahead.

There's two of the same bike for sale in Ireland, one has been messed with and the other is twice the price of this

Anybody give me a hand figuring it out?

I believe duty is paid on arrival at the port and VAT with the VRT

macplaxton · 05-06-2021 5:10am

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I've provisionally agreed a deal on a 650cc bike in the UK. 2014 plate and with a price of €3400, I intend to drive it back so transport cost would be ferry.

For the sake of argument call the ferry €100

€3500
6% duty +€210
23% VAT +€853.30
VRT either +€200 or +€300 depending on exactly when in 2014.

looking at €4763.30 / €4863.30

Easiest thing is probably to just add a third on top of the euro equivalent asking price, then stick the VRT on.

LollipopJimmy · 05-06-2021 5:08pm

macplaxton wrote: »

For the sake of argument call the ferry €100

€3500
6% duty +€210
23% VAT +€853.30
VRT either +€200 or +€300 depending on exactly when in 2014.

looking at €4763.30 / €4863.30

Easiest thing is probably to just add a third on top of the euro equivalent asking price, then stick the VRT on.

Thanks for that, I was more struggling with how to pay, I got a clearing agent in the end and I'm still coming in cheaper for a bike with half the mileage of the equivalent for sale in Ireland. Currently riding it across the UK, I'd to come over for work anyway

macplaxton · 06-06-2021 2:51pm

I've not had to do it yet, but it sounds a right old mess around trying to do it yourself with EORI numbers and stuff like that.

I think they can take payment from an individual online using myAccount, but it looks like a lot messing.

Has anyone done the process start to finish without using a third party?

LollipopJimmy · 06-06-2021 6:20pm

macplaxton wrote: »

I've not had to do it yet, but it sounds a right old mess around trying to do it yourself with EORI numbers and stuff like that.

I think they can take payment from an individual online using myAccount, but it looks like a lot messing.

Has anyone done the process start to finish without using a third party?

Customs told me its next to impossible. Clearing agent was €120 flat so not too bad

macplaxton · 06-06-2021 11:25pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Customs told me its next to impossible.

I did have Revenue tell me that I might as well pay the €50 VRT for the 34 year old car I re-registered when I moved here.

I politely declined and said I'll be in copies of all the bank statements, etc. to do a Transfer of Residence for free.

I'm sure it's of load of hassle (for them as well as me) but possible. I like to make them work for my money :pac:

LollipopJimmy · 06-06-2021 11:28pm

macplaxton wrote: »

I did have Revenue tell me that I might as well pay the €50 VRT for the 34 year old car I re-registered when I moved here.

I politely declined and said I'll be in copies of all the bank statements, etc. to do a Transfer of Residence for free.

I'm sure it's of load of hassle (for them as well as me) but possible. I like to make them work for my money :pac:

I've brought my bike in through the North so I'll argue the ferry fee :pac:

The clearing agent said I'd likely need to pay revenue before arrival if coming into Dublin, I wasn't willing to do that seeing as I hadn't seen the bike in the flesh so he told me to come in through Belfast. Suited me tbh

macplaxton · 06-06-2021 11:35pm

Belfast is good for the boat, bar the A75 to Cairnryan. Only time I've been nicked for speeding in 26 years. Cost me £300 / 4pts in court (85mph in 60mph overtaking some slow dope trying to make everyone miss the boat)

Just missed the boat too so had the misery of having to kill 3 hours in Stranraer.

I'm still bitter about it!

LollipopJimmy · 07-06-2021 12:16am

macplaxton wrote: »

I'm still bitter about it!

Would never have guessed

galwaytt · 10-06-2021 10:28am

macplaxton wrote: »

Belfast is good for the boat, bar the A75 to Cairnryan. Only time I've been nicked for speeding in 26 years. Cost me £300 / 4pts in court (85mph in 60mph overtaking some slow dope trying to make everyone miss the boat)

Just missed the boat too so had the misery of having to kill 3 hours in Stranraer.

I'm still bitter about it!

Snap: only ticket I ever got was in 1990, Wales, 2am, heading for Fishguard. In the snow. Some (ironically, also Scottish) PC made me take off my 3 x layers of gloves to get a sample signature and did me for 40 in a 30 iirc. I was literally the only bloody person out that night. :mad:

Oh no, I'm not bitter. At All ! :pac:

lipso · 04-07-2021 11:02pm

Is importing a bike from n Ireland the same as before? Just vrt to pay?

CJhaughey · 05-07-2021 6:32am

lipso wrote: »

Is importing a bike from n Ireland the same as before? Just vrt to pay?

Yes, as long as the bike was in NI before the end of the transition period.

goblin59 · 05-07-2021 8:50am

CJhaughey wrote: »

Yes, as long as the bike was in NI before the end of the transition period.

only if the bike was registered in NI before 31/12/2020

D3V!L · 05-07-2021 8:54am

goblin59 wrote: »

only if the bike was registered in NI before 31/12/2020

What if it's a new bike, one first registered in NI and then imported to Ireland after this date ?

galwaytt · 05-07-2021 10:29am

D3V!L wrote: »

What if it's a new bike, one first registered in NI and then imported to Ireland after this date ?

If it's new you'll be liable for Irish VAT as well as the VRT etc.

Btdt, wouldn't bother a 2nd time tbh.

goblin59 · 05-07-2021 10:50am

D3V!L wrote: »

What if it's a new bike, one first registered in NI and then imported to Ireland after this date ?

you'd be cheaper after the conversion rates, VRT and VAT to have bought one in Ireland.

Importing a used bike from England

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