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Property Market 2019

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  • #4602
    al87987
    Registered Users Posts: 707 ✭✭✭al87987


    Lived in Knocklyon all my life and went to the school across the road from the proposed apartments.

    They should absolutely build these apartments there, everybody my age, early 30's, wants to live in the area but cant afford the houses and are pushed out to hunters wood, kiltipper etc...

    Would love an option to buy an apartment in the area.

    Can cycle into town in 20 minutes as well and the 15 bus has recently gone 24/7.


  • #4603
    Blowfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    We 100% do not need more housing estates- and if apartments were built and priced appropriately- would it be the end of the world.
    al87987 wrote: »
    Would love an option to buy an apartment in the area.
    The thing is, if you look at what's planned, these won't help. Of the 590, 480 (~81%) are to be build to rent. Factor in 10% social housing and you have only around 50 actual apartments for sale.


  • #4604
    JamesMason
    Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭JamesMason


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Just getting on the motorway from anywhere can take an hour in good weather in the morning- on a bad morning, its an outright nightmare.

    We need high density housing units- ideally as close to the city centre as possible- and when they're on the outskirts- we need to make sure we develop viable public transport options. Facilities, services and amenities- will follow- if there is the demand for them (even in high density areas, there isn't always sufficient demand to support them).

    We 100% do not need more housing estates- and if apartments were built and priced appropriately- would it be the end of the world.

    People need accommodation- and trying to pretend that Wexford, Portlaoise, Athlone and Cavan- are within commuting distance of Dublin- as some people are trying to say- is a load of bollox.

    Dublin is a mess- however, the bigger issue is sprawl of low density developments- not high density living.

    Ireland needs a coordinated development plan- for the country as a whole- the local authority system has patently failed- and to continue this experiment in local representation- is flogging a dead horse.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/commuter-hell-my-daily-commute-is-affecting-my-mental-health-1.4109774?mode=amp
    Something has got to give eventually...


  • #4605
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    JamesMason wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/commuter-hell-my-daily-commute-is-affecting-my-mental-health-1.4109774?mode=amp
    Something has got to give eventually...

    Commuting is just becoming too much of a nightmare for people. Especially as most of these new buyers are starting families, were a few years away from either half the workforce dissapearing to meet childcare needs or a black market creche industry appearing in kildare, wicklow meath and louth raising children who almost never see their parents.


  • #4606
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    We 100% do not need more housing estates- and if apartments were built and priced appropriately- would it be the end of the world.
    I think we're getting there.

    Despite all the criticism of Minister Murphy, he has done the right thing by changing the law to allow fast-track planning of apartments. I'm convinced that the housing problem in this country is our planning and objections, and that needs to be overcome. Most are currently build-to-rent because there are super-profits available, but as more supply comes on stream these profits will reduce and more will become available to buy. The important thing is that we build higher density in areas close to the city, and overcome the objections from people living in low-density areas.

    I also think that Irish people are becoming more accepting of apartments, particularly as family composition change. There are a lot more childless families of two people. There are a lot more elderly people living on their own. There are lots of single and highly-paid workers. Many/most of those groups would be quite happy in an apartment with little in the way of maintenance.

    We'll never have cheap housing - there are too many taxes and regulations - the regulations mostly being the right thing to do. However what we can have is an adequate supply where people want to live.


  • #4607
    JamesMason
    Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭JamesMason


    hmmm wrote: »
    I think we're getting there.

    Despite all the criticism of Minister Murphy, he has done the right thing
    .... Minister Murphy...lol. He will go down in infamy. Future episodes of Reeling in the years will not be kind to him.


  • #4608
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Ireland needs a coordinated development plan- for the country as a whole- the local authority system has patently failed- and to continue this experiment in local representation- is flogging a dead horse.

    Couldn't agree more on this. It's painstakingly clear at this point.


  • #4609
    paulieeye
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭paulieeye


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Just getting on the motorway from anywhere can take an hour in good weather in the morning- on a bad morning, its an outright nightmare.

    Definitely. The M50 ramp in question serves a large section of south west dublin. The apartments in question will sit on the road that serves this on ramp. This road is a single lane both sides. They have recently changed the roundabout beyond this to single lane, which when questioned about it said this was done on purpose to force people to cycle more (:confused:)

    You cant just build apartments where there is a space to, you have to have the infrastructure. By all means build these but please adjust the roads accordingly


  • #4610
    ml100
    Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭ml100


    Put these apartments in the city centre where the people that want these apartments want to live!


  • #4611
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Commuting is just becoming too much of a nightmare for people. Especially as most of these new buyers are starting families, were a few years away from either half the workforce dissapearing to meet childcare needs or a black market creche industry appearing in kildare, wicklow meath and louth raising children who almost never see their parents.

    Is this commuter hell narrative just going to drive up the price of well located properties in Dublin? Or will supply in these areas eventually lead to a drop off everywhere inc Dublin?


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  • #4612
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    ml100 wrote: »
    Put these apartments in the city centre where the people that want these apartments want to live!

    Exactly.
    However, the do-goodie greenies don't want to ruin our cityscape with high rise developments.
    Someone needs to tell them to cop the hell on.
    We need high rise, high density developments- as central as possible.


  • #4613
    Kamili
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    paulieeye wrote: »
    Definitely. The M50 ramp in question serves a large section of south west dublin. The apartments in question will sit on the road that serves this on ramp. This road is a single lane both sides. They have recently changed the roundabout beyond this to single lane, which when questioned about it said this was done on purpose to force people to cycle more (:confused:)

    You cant just build apartments where there is a space to, you have to have the infrastructure. By all means build these but please adjust the roads accordingly

    That roundabout is an absolute disaster in rush hour. Adding more cars right on it is a recipe for total gridlock. The bus service to the city centre is already beyond capacity and full by the time it hits that roundabout, so adding more homes in an already struggling area isnt going to work.

    I'm all for building new houses/apartments but the infrastructure, public transport links and facilities need to be in place, or a plan made to put them in place, which is implemented!


  • #4614
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    Is this commuter hell narrative just going to drive up the price of well located properties in Dublin? Or will supply in these areas eventually lead to a drop off everywhere inc Dublin?

    No because everyone who has already bought wants to pull the ladder behind them, keep prices high , preserve their ‘view’ and have less people using the services they enjoy. As long as we allow planning objections for such frivelous reasons we are doomed to have unaffordable prices and low supply levels in the city


  • #4615
    radharc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭radharc


    hmmm wrote: »
    I think we're getting there.

    Despite all the criticism of Minister Murphy, he has done the right thing by changing the law to allow fast-track planning of apartments.

    He didn't make any changes, Coveney had already introduced it before he left office.


  • #4616
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    A lot of companies are not even located in the city centre. People often want to live in the cc because it's cool, suburbs are considered dull
    Living in cc is luxury, not always a necessity


  • #4617
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    A lot of companies are not even located in the city centre. People often want to live in the cc because it's cool, suburbs are considered dull
    Living in cc is luxury, not always a necessity

    A lot of people have copped that there is considerable misery in trying to live in the city centre- esp. if you've moved on from singleton and/or want to try to start a family. The city centre is no place for families or children- its a nightmare to navigate and devoid of affordable amenities or facilities for anyone other than ye 20 somethings who don't have a care in the world...........


  • #4618
    Ziggy100
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Ziggy100


    New to tread but following a while.

    Just looking at PPR today and total number of house sold in November is showing 3869.
    This would represent about a 35% fall in registration from 2018.
    Is there a lag in the register being updated? This seems like a very big drop on previous year if correct.


  • #4619
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Ziggy100 wrote: »
    Is there a lag in the register being updated?

    Yes


  • #4620
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    paulieeye wrote: »
    Definitely. The M50 ramp in question serves a large section of south west dublin. The apartments in question will sit on the road that serves this on ramp. This road is a single lane both sides. They have recently changed the roundabout beyond this to single lane, which when questioned about it said this was done on purpose to force people to cycle more (:confused:)

    You cant just build apartments where there is a space to, you have to have the infrastructure. By all means build these but please adjust the roads accordingly

    How do you know the infrastructure won't evolve? This is necessarily a good development given we are in a crisis.if infrastructure needs to be upgraded, let it follow but it shouldn't hold up badly needed home building.


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  • #4621
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    How do you know the infrastructure won't evolve? This is necessarily a good development given we are in a crisis.if infrastructure needs to be upgraded, let it follow but it shouldn't hold up badly needed home building.

    Problem with Ireland is infrastructure shouldn't be following. We are in a crisis and in some way I'd agree with you but by God we can surely upgrade while we build. It's always reactive and that's what causes chaos


  • #4622
    omicron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭omicron


    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rppi/residentialpropertypriceindexoctober2019/

    Property prices rising at 0.9% annually, less than the CPI which is rising at 1.1%.

    DLR houses -7% on the year. Definitely overshot the top there.


  • #4623
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Mod Note

    Discusssion of property prices in the 70s and 80s split into a new thread: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112021887


  • #4624
    paulieeye
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭paulieeye


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    How do you know the infrastructure won't evolve? This is necessarily a good development given we are in a crisis.if infrastructure needs to be upgraded, let it follow but it shouldn't hold up badly needed home building.

    Because I have seen the detailed plans. There is no plan currently to upgrade the only road that will be access to this development. They plan to put a set of traffic lights there, thats it


  • #4625
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    We need apartments all over the city at least 5 storeys high.Many local td,s are objecting to large apartments even thought the government is in favor of them.High rise apartments are green in that they reduce traffic and commuting time ,
    People in the city centre can use the luas or bus,s to go to work ,or cycle to work.
    living in the centre is convenient , most shops or offices are located there .Theres a new plan to bring in new bus routes, which will involve
    cutting down some tree,s and buying out gardens from some people along the route .


  • #4626
    dontparkhere
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭dontparkhere


    I read recently that in the uk there is an oversupply in student accommodation. I see an awful lot student accommodation going up around Dublin, all “luxury” accommodation too. Bit of a bubble at the prices they are charging. Is short term letting allowed in student complexes during the summer months or what are they used for during the summer months?


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  • #4627
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,574 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    dontparkhere wrote: »
    I read recently that in the uk there is an oversupply in student accommodation. I see an awful lot student accommodation going up around Dublin, all “luxury” accommodation too. Bit of a bubble at the prices they are charging. Is short term letting allowed in student complexes during the summer months or what are they used for during the summer months?

    Short term summer letting is allowed; and done. Which you would think would be relieving the demand for AirBnB and hotel developments but it seems Dublin will attract as many tourists as it can sleep which is increasingly perverse considering its increasingly expensive.

    Somehow they seem to be getting tenants at the huge prices; I worry heavily debt funded either on the student or more likely their parents. Also lots of foreign students prefer that type of accom package to working out the private rental market.


  • #4628
    ZX7R
    Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    dontparkhere wrote: »
    I read recently that in the uk there is an oversupply in student accommodation. I see an awful lot student accommodation going up around Dublin, all “luxury” accommodation too. Bit of a bubble at the prices they are charging. Is short term letting allowed in student complexes during the summer months or what are they used for during the summer months?
    Yes most are rented during the summer,and especially to holiday Maker's,
    Plenty of companies lease them during the summer for these purposes, I even seen them used as emergency accommodation.
    The also get rented to summer students


  • #4629
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Purpose Built Student accommodation

    It is a condition of planning.
    Recent example from Galway City

    674 no. bedspaces with commercial/retail space. www.studentaccommodationplanning.nuigalway.ie

    here is the ABP direction

    NUIG Northern Campus, Dangan, Upper Newcastle, Galway City.
    http://www.pleanala.ie/documents/directions/303/S303846.pdf
    "
    2. The development hereby permitted shall only be occupied as student
    accommodation, as defined in section 13(d) of the Planning and Development
    (Housing) and Residential Tenancies Act 2016, and shall not be used for any
    other purpose, without a prior grant of planning permission for change of use.
    Reason: In the interest of residential amenity and to limit the scope of the
    proposed development to that for which the application was mad
    "

    A lot of owners go back for "Change of Use" once it is up and running, often can be less objections/none once a building is actually up and running.


  • #4630
    19233974
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭19233974


    Sterling has dropped today with reports of Boris looking to legislate that there will be no extension to withdrawal agreement period beyond the year that has been proposed. Which in effect will be him forcing through a no deal in a round-about way if they cant fully agree all the details within one year. (It took europe and canada 7 years to agree all details for example)

    May be another year of uncertainty ahead re: hard brexit, which may hold up prices again. Interesting to see how it pans out


  • #4631
    Arthur Daley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    When we say hold up prices, are people still see-sawing between
    Brexit: Loads of millionaire bankers will come from London, we need to open up international schools
    and
    Brexit: We're all doomed!

    Because life is too short I think


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  • #4632
    19233974
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭19233974


    Arthur Daley wrote: »
    When we say hold up prices, are people still see-sawing between
    Brexit: Loads of millionaire bankers will come from London, we need to open up international schools
    and
    Brexit: We're all doomed!

    Because life is too short I think

    I would say yes, if its one thing humans dont like, its uncertainty. If theres a prospect of a no deal again then it will have an impact


  • #4633
    Riley Strong Bug
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Riley Strong Bug


    I bought in April, a few doors down has sold just this month for about 8% more than we paid for ours. Has a slightly better finish but not a whole lot in it. I'm fairly surprised it went for so much considering how prices are generally stablising/dropping.


  • #4634
    Zenify
    Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭Zenify


    Noah Scruffy Kale wrote: »
    I bought in April, a few doors down has sold just this month for about 8% more than we paid for ours. Has a slightly better finish but not a whole lot in it. I'm fairly surprised it went for so much considering how prices are generally stablising/dropping.

    What area and price?


  • #4635
    Riley Strong Bug
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Riley Strong Bug


    Zenify wrote: »
    What area and price?

    D7, in the 500k+ bracket.


  • #4636
    Zenify
    Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭Zenify


    Noah Scruffy Kale wrote: »
    D7, in the 500k+ bracket.

    Thanks

    It's nice to know what areas are going against the tide at the moment.


  • #4637
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zenify wrote: »
    Thanks

    It's nice to know what areas are going against the tide at the moment.

    The area really isn't going against the grain. I'm searching in Dublin 7, under 500k though.
    Houses not selling for months & months, I see a lot being taken off the market, & some sale agreed ones coming back on.
    Houses that are ready to move into are selling though.


  • #4638
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Asking prices in D7 are all pointing downward, i think i counted just one or two up-arrows in the last 3 months


  • #4639
    Zenify
    Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭Zenify


    bubblypop wrote: »
    The area really isn't going against the grain. I'm searching in Dublin 7, under 500k though.
    Houses not selling for months & months, I see a lot being taken off the market, & some sale agreed ones coming back on.
    Houses that are ready to move into are selling though.

    I think you misunderstood. I was referring to a post where the price increased.


  • #4640
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    The 8 per cent difference could be accounted by, the house is slightly bigger, the garden is bigger, house has a new kitchen,or a very good ber rating .the house could be closer to the luas or a bustop .
    8 per cent on 1 house does not mean much as regards the state of the housing market.


  • #4641
    Umaro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Umaro


    +8% could all be down to two parties taking a shine to it and running up the price a bit


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  • #4642
    19233974
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭19233974


    Umaro wrote: »
    +8% could all be down to two parties taking a shine to it and running up the price a bit

    Yea there is always a random house that seems to sell for more than asking, which has probably resulted from a bit of a bidding war. the overall trend is still down


  • #4643
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zenify wrote: »
    I think you misunderstood. I was referring to a post where the price increased.

    oh I know, but I was just saying that that post is bucking the trend, in Dublin 7 prices are definately not rising


  • #4644
    davedub2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭davedub2015


    What are peoples predictions for property in Dublin in 2020? Increase in prices or stay as they are?


  • #4645
    Marius34
    Registered Users Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Marius34


    davedub2015 wrote: »
    What are peoples predictions for property in Dublin in 2020? Increase in prices or stay as they are?

    I believe it much depends on how Brexit goes, if it goes toward smooth withdrawal agreement of No hard border (with Deal) it should go up. Otherwise stay as is or go down abit.


  • #4646
    JamesMason
    Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭JamesMason


    Marius34 wrote: »
    I believe it much depends on how Brexit goes, if it goes toward smooth withdrawal agreement of No hard border (with Deal) it should go up. Otherwise stay as is or go down abit.
    Brexit or no Brexit, the global economy is slowing down. Germany is in recession and the US will be soon. Ireland is vulnerable to economic shocks. It happened here before...


  • #4647
    Marius34
    Registered Users Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭Marius34


    JamesMason wrote: »
    Brexit or no Brexit, the global economy is slowing down. Germany is in recession and the US will be soon. Ireland is vulnerable to economic shocks. It happened here before...
    There is always uncertainty in global market, and at some point recession comes and goes.. You can discuss this forever.. But no fundamental data shows Ireland entering recession in the near term, as the question is of 2020. I would bet with anyone here that Ireland won't Enter recesion in 2020 in case of No Hard border. 2021 might be a different story..


  • #4648
    ionapaul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    WOW! Just saw the final price of a house sold in an estate near to ours - think I posted before that two of the small 3-bed houses were for sale there a few months ago, the 90sqm mid-terrace for €450k and the slightly-extended 98sqm end-terrace for €470k.

    The mid-terrace was bought for something like €320k a few years ago AFAIK, needed some work. I personally thought paying more than €400k would be madness. And yet...

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/18-castle-grove-kilgobbin-wood-sandyford-dublin-18/4339168 (the listed size must be incorrect, all of those are approximately 90sqm give or take)

    https://www.propertypriceregister.ie/website/npsra/PPR/npsra-ppr.nsf/eStampUNID/UNID-9CCD9E98F110802D802584C6004CFE4B?OpenDocument

    Some juice left in the D18 market!


  • #4649
    nerrad01
    Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭nerrad01


    Its so annoying on property sites that agents are consistently listing places under the wrong area to try justify a higher price. Lots of places ive looked at are listed as terenure when its clearly perrystown or kimmage, firhouse as knocklyon and knocklyon as templogue. I know its a small thing but very annoying


  • #4650
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    JamesMason wrote: »
    Brexit or no Brexit, the global economy is slowing down. Germany is in recession and the US will be soon. Ireland is vulnerable to economic shocks. It happened here before...
    Not really, if anything the global outlook has reversed in the past month and a half towards optimism, and Germany has avoided a recession. We'll eventually have a recession, but if you've been sitting on the sidelines waiting for it to happen you might be waiting a lot longer.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-19/yield-curve-hits-steepest-since-2018-as-inflation-risks-eyed


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  • #4651
    MilaM
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭MilaM


    Noah Scruffy Kale wrote: »
    I bought in April, a few doors down has sold just this month for about 8% more than we paid for ours. Has a slightly better finish but not a whole lot in it. I'm fairly surprised it went for so much considering how prices are generally stablising/dropping.

    We were house hunting from January to September in good few areas in Dublin. Access to good public transport was priority. The prices of houses we are bidding for went up this year, and in many houses we viewed we kept seeing/bidding against same buyers. We have seen big price drops only to houses that need a lot work, poor energy rating E/F/G.

    We looked at few areas but for example Goatstown, walkable distance to Luas prices when up for all ready to move in houses we looked at.


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