Tesla Model S

HandsomeDan · 23-03-2016 2:31pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

I think it's pretty clear people were suggesting that a battery powered car was far from a new idea

Whoever said it was? That its an old idea doesn't make its realisation any less significant. What exactly was the point being made? As someone else stated fuel cells are also a 100 year old idea. Does that make fc cars passe?

frozenfrozen · 23-03-2016 2:54pm

It's just batteries and electric motors, which are definitely old hat. 60k worth of batteries and a reasonably nice leather interior with a big laggy touch screen at the centrepiece. Hardly the pinnacle of car technology. that's the point which was being made

*pulled the 60k figure out of my hole

ba_barabus · 23-03-2016 3:22pm

HandsomeDan wrote: »

What exactly was the point being made

That the poster was saying this is cutting edge stuff. Whats your point in dragging up a 2 week old discussion that everybody else had moved on from?

ba_barabus · 23-03-2016 3:24pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

It's just batteries and electric motors, which are definitely old hat. 60k worth of batteries and a reasonably nice leather interior with a big laggy touch screen at the centrepiece. Hardly the pinnacle of car technology. that's the point which was being made

Yep, pretty much.

HandsomeDan · 23-03-2016 3:46pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

That the poster was saying this is cutting edge stuff. Whats your point in dragging up a 2 week old discussion that everybody else had moved on from?

I was banned the last couple of weeks.

Point still remains electrics cars on our road as an every day thing is still new and we shouldn't be so quick to down play the decades of technological advances that made this possible.

ba_barabus · 23-03-2016 3:56pm

HandsomeDan wrote: »

I was banned the last couple of weeks.

Point still remains electrics cars on our road as an every day thing is still new and we shouldn't be so quick to down play the decades of technological advances that made this possible.

Time to move on then. No point resurrecting arguments that you missed out on.

If you took the 2 minutes it required to read the thread complete you'd see nobody was running down the tech. I for one fully approve, it's just not a new idea and the advances have realistically been slow.

HandsomeDan · 23-03-2016 4:05pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

Time to move on then. No point resurrecting arguments that you missed out on.

If you took the 2 minutes it required to read the thread complete you'd see nobody was running down the tech. I for one fully approve, it's just not a new idea and the advances realistically been slow.

Almost nothing is a new idea. rather novel uses or refinments of exiting ideas. And yes advances are slow. the tesla tech is hardly uniqye in that regard.

ba_barabus · 23-03-2016 4:19pm

HandsomeDan wrote: »

Almost nothing is a new idea. rather novel uses or refinments of exiting ideas. And yes advances are slow. the tesla tech is hardly uniqye in that regard.

Glad that you've come full circle and agreed with what posters had said earlier

And lovely to see the Mark Twain reference in your post, even if it was intentional

HandsomeDan · 23-03-2016 6:50pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

Glad that you've come full circle and agreed with what posters had said earlier

And lovely to see the Mark Twain reference in your post, even if it was intentional

I didn't, but by all means continue being a condescending prick.

Mod: Banned

ba_barabus · 23-03-2016 7:22pm

HandsomeDan wrote: »

I didn't, but by all means continue being a condescending prick.

I can see you taking another holiday.

I'm lost however as to what I've done to upset you so much however that you'd resort to name calling.

Sitec · 23-03-2016 8:08pm

Fair enough it does use just "batteries and motors" which have been around for years. You could say the Porsche 911 GT3 RS is just a car with an "engine and petrol". It's the delivery that makes them special. Ignoring the batteries etc name one other car you can walk out to in the morning and have brand new "options" for free? In the States because of the Tesla Supercharger Network you can realistically pay nothing for fuel. 100% free energy. Also the touchscreen in the car is not "laggy" at all, far from it.

ba_barabus · 23-03-2016 9:03pm

Sitec wrote: »

Also the touchscreen in the car is not "laggy" at all, far from it.

Taxi driver in Amsterdam let me play with the screen in his cab and it worked great. Didn't seem slow or jumpy. Pretty cool to be honest

frozenfrozen · 24-03-2016 9:55am

Sitec wrote: »

Also the touchscreen in the car is not "laggy" at all, far from it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UR9R9T3B8A

I'm starting to look like a tesla hater but for 100 grand I'd rather have something better than a cheap android tablet which looks like it browses the internet about as smoothly as a first generation ipod touch did

ironclaw · 24-03-2016 10:15am

frozenfrozen wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UR9R9T3B8A

I'm starting to look like a tesla hater but for 100 grand I'd rather have something better than a cheap android tablet which looks like it browses the internet about as smoothly as a first generation ipod touch did

Having been around Tesla quite abit, I have to say, in comparison to my 6S, you can noticed a difference in screen quality and speed. Its not much, but its enough to make me uneasy. I also have to say that overall, the car doesn't feel well built from a finish perspective. Under the hood, it is impressive however and the hardware perspective is very impressive.

Like Steve Jobs and Apple, you aren't buying 'the best' or the most cutting edge, you're buying a lifestyle and its what Jobs was particularly good at. Tesla and Musk are doing the same.

Diabhalta · 14-04-2016 6:50pm

I have seen one in Kilkenny earlier this year ...

also like a month ago I saw a 151-C-xxxx dark blue in Lidl Car park in Cork (Togher). Saw it like 3 times alltogether in traffic before and after that, not sure if it was the same. Anyway I was talking to the owner of the car, he was sound so we had a quick chat about it. He was just about to put his shopping in the car. The rear boot is quite big and with the front one as well there is plenty of space for everything. Very quiet car, range something over 400km. 70 000 euros?

Not many people recognize this car and know what it is. The owner agreed with me. I am into cars so I saw it from the distance and knew straight away it's a Tesla Model S, when I was pulling into the car park. It's a bit similar to a Jaguar XF I think.

Third_Echelon · 14-04-2016 7:09pm

Saw one of the new Model X yesterday with the gull wing doors. A guy in work traded in his Model S... Looked very nice I have to say. Will take a pic if I can...

21-04-2016 9:29am

The Model S is an amazing car and puts most ICE makers to shame.

I've driven the Leaf 35,300 kms since last January, really great car to drive with Eco turned off of course and it's 104 HP rating is very deceiving. It's a fun car on back roads and climbs the steepest hills you can find like they're nothing.

Getting back into a manual Diesel is not a pleasant experience, I greatly appreciate having power instantly, makes any ICE feel ultra laggy and slow especially a manual. Even a DSG can't compare to the instant availability of power.

I have not yet given someone a drive in the Leaf or let drive it that was not very impressed even the most die hard ICE fans.

So before people just knock electrics for the sake of it go and drive one even a normal average car like the Leaf.

For a normal average car the Leaf has by far exceeded my expectations. Never mind the cost to run electrics, forget about that because even if they cost the same as petrol or diesel to run there is still no way in hell I'd go back to an ICE car.

2018 isn't far away and the 300-350 km range Leaf should be available though at what cost who knows and other longer range electrics to follow.

In Ireland so far this year the Leaf is out selling many models such as the Citroen C3, C4, Fiat 500, Audi Q3, Q5 , Passat Estate etc to name just a few, this is not a bad achievement for an electric car.

Oafley Jones · 21-04-2016 9:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

The Model S is an amazing car and puts most ICE makers to shame.

I've driven the Leaf 35,300 kms since last January, really great car to drive with Eco turned off of course and it's 104 HP rating is very deceiving. It's a fun car on back roads and climbs the steepest hills you can find like they're nothing.

Getting back into a manual Diesel is not a pleasant experience, I greatly appreciate having power instantly, makes any ICE feel ultra laggy and slow especially a manual. Even a DSG can't compare to the instant availability of power.

I have not yet given someone a drive in the Leaf or let drive it that was not very impressed even the most die hard ICE fans.

So before people just knock electrics for the sake of it go and drive one even a normal average car like the Leaf.

For a normal average car the Leaf has by far exceeded my expectations. Never mind the cost to run electrics, forget about that because even if they cost the same as petrol or diesel to run there is still no way in hell I'd go back to an ICE car.

2018 isn't far away and the 300-350 km range Leaf should be available though at what cost who knows and other longer range electrics to follow.

In Ireland so far this year the Leaf is out selling many models such as the Citroen C3, C4, Fiat 500, Audi Q3, Q5 , Passat Estate etc to name just a few, this is not a bad achievement for an electric car.

If you think the Tesla is so amazing maybe you might want to discuss it. Because I don't want to read you ranting on about the fecking leaf.

21-04-2016 9:59am

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Because I don't want to read you ranting on about the fecking leaf.

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Oafley Jones · 21-04-2016 10:37am

Deleted User wrote: »

Well done, you managed to post something that wasn't about the Leaf.

Seriously, you've how many Leaf threads started at this stage? Your post had nothing to do with the Model S and was just the most flimsy excuse for another one of your Leaf sermons. You bang on about the Leaf so much that I suspect you're the reason EV forum has basically been quarantined away from the rest of the motoring forum. Please stop. You're a terrible advocate for EVs.

21-04-2016 8:52pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Well done, you managed to post something that wasn't about the Leaf.

Seriously, you've how many Leaf threads started at this stage? Your post had nothing to do with the Model S and was just the most flimsy excuse for another one of your Leaf sermons. You bang on about the Leaf so much that I suspect you're the reason EV forum has basically been quarantined away from the rest of the motoring forum. Please stop. You're a terrible advocate for EVs.

Alun · 21-04-2016 9:10pm

All that picture goes to prove is that it looks even uglier than it already is when it's painted brown.

21-04-2016 9:13pm

Oh I'm so offended.

21-04-2016 9:22pm

happy ?

Alun · 24-04-2016 11:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

happy ?

Do you think you could make that image just a bit bigger, I can hardly see it :rolleyes::cool:

ba_barabus · 24-04-2016 12:02pm

Much like the Dacia Duster, discussion of the Nissan Leaf makes the most sane of people go mental. I for one welcome the fuel of yesterday making a return in cars like the Leaf, Zoe and Tesla. It's good to see a shake up happen in motoring.

frozenfrozen · 24-04-2016 12:51pm

I think the best thing about an electric car would be not having to wait for the engine to warm up. I take the long way round to the dual carriageway because otherwise I'd be doing a 0-100 run within a minute of starting the car. It would be nice to be able to just go straight there and get up to speed quickly to merge without feeling bad for ragging the engine while it's still freezing cold. I could see myself getting an electric car for that reason because of all of my really short trips. But for long trips I don't think I could do the having to plan ahead and pull in to charge thing. I suppose that wouldn't really be an issue with the tesla because of the range.

Water John · 24-04-2016 2:54pm

The wider public are beginning to have a real interest in EV's.
Once a number of models have further range 2/300 miles, they will take off. Excuse the pathetic pun.

aphex™ · 24-04-2016 3:09pm

Water John wrote: »

The wider public are beginning to have a real interest in EV's.
Once a number of models have further range 2/300 miles, they will take off. Excuse the pathetic pun.

Hopefully since Tesla get lithium direct from the mine into their gigafactory in Nevada they will be ones to get the price point down so the public take-up of EV increases.

24-04-2016 5:05pm

I'd love autopilot to be fully autonomous for driving home after night shift, its really dangerous and has to be up there with drink driving.

Driving home after some shifts and I'm thinking to myself , Jesus, I wouldn't feel this bad after a pint or two or a glass of wine.

Definitely if they could make cars drive with no human intervention it would be superb for me.

bear1 · 24-04-2016 5:36pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd love autopilot to be fully autonomous for driving home after night shift, its really dangerous and has to be up there with drink driving.

Driving home after some shifts and I'm thinking to myself , Jesus, I wouldn't feel this bad after a pint or two or a glass of wine.

Definitely if they could make cars drive with no human intervention it would be superb for me.

If I knew that my car was driving me home without any interaction from me as a driver id be more awake than Jesus after the resurrection.

24-04-2016 8:58pm

bear1 wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd love autopilot to be fully autonomous for driving home after night shift, its really dangerous and has to be up there with drink driving.

Driving home after some shifts and I'm thinking to myself , Jesus, I wouldn't feel this bad after a pint or two or a glass of wine.

Definitely if they could make cars drive with no human intervention it would be superb for me.

If I knew that my car was driving me home without any interaction from me as a driver id be more awake than Jesus after the resurrection.

I'd be too tired to care lol.

I drove the Brothers A4 DSG with the Auto Cruise and it scared the crap out of me at first but it works.

Phil.x · 24-04-2016 9:08pm

That iPad type display is just wrong! Look at the size of it.

Water John · 24-04-2016 9:49pm

My grandfather was an alcoholic before people exactly knew what that was. The horse would bring him home from the pub. That's old technology Mad Lad!!!

24-04-2016 9:55pm

Water John wrote: »

My grandfather was an alcoholic before people exactly knew what that was. The horse would bring him home from the pub. That's old technology Mad Lad!!!

LOL well, I sure wouldn't care what got me home as long as I could get a bit of kip or at least not have to worry about forcing myself to stay awake.

ba_barabus · 25-04-2016 1:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Driving home after some shifts and I'm thinking to myself , Jesus, I wouldn't feel this bad after a pint or two or a glass of wine.

Seriously though you shouldn't be driving if that is the case as it does account for a large amount of fatal RTA

aphex™ · 25-04-2016 1:52pm

Phil.x wrote: »

That iPad type display is just wrong! Look at the size of it.

Would you like it smaller? So it doesn't display as much info and is therefore less useful while driving?

Or, maybe, touchscreens are the future? Instead of having a button for everything?

ba_barabus · 25-04-2016 1:56pm

aphex™ wrote: »

Would you like it smaller? So it doesn't display as much info and is therefore less useful while driving?

Or, maybe, touchscreens are the future? Instead of having a button for everything?

I'd actually prefer buttons and dials as they are easier, quicker and don't require you to look at them for more than brief period while driving, even then you get used to their position quickly and don't need to look at them after a short while.

Sh1tbag OToole · 25-04-2016 1:57pm

aphex™ wrote: »

Would you like it smaller? So it doesn't display as much info and is therefore less useful while driving?

Or, maybe, touchscreens are the future? Instead of having a button for everything?

Touch screens were the future in 2006 before the iPhone. Now they are old hat and it's time for a change to direct neural interfaces or if those aren't feasible yet then its time to dig up some old input method from the past

Stallingrad · 25-04-2016 2:04pm

Touch screens have their place, but for regularly used functions, mostly heating and cooling I have yet to see one that isn't a dangerous gimmick. You can't beat analogue for some controls, even if it is not sexy.

aphex™ · 25-04-2016 2:39pm

You can have temperature controls display down the bottom of the screen within easy reach which is easy to remember and learn so it's not dangerous at all. See image here.

Stallingrad · 25-04-2016 3:19pm

aphex™ wrote: »

You can have temperature controls display down the bottom of the screen within easy reach which is easy to remember and learn so it's not dangerous at all. See image here.

In my current car I can reach down without looking, turn the dial to increase or decrease heat to full or off in 1 second. No way can you do that with that display, and worse that its mounted so low, your eyes are off the road for far too long. You've basically lost all sense of feel, and are depending entirely on visual cues.

kirving · 25-04-2016 4:02pm

Touchscreens are fine for the passenger, but as a driver they require you to take your eyes off the road, no question about it.

The same is true for some of the controls on my car which are on the smaller side.

The main ones can be done blind though , and if I do have to look, my eyes don't have to adjust to a bright screen at night time, and everything is just a single click.

aphex™ · 25-04-2016 4:48pm

Stallingrad wrote: »

In my current car I can reach down without looking, turn the dial to increase or decrease heat to full or off in 1 second. No way can you do that with that display, and worse that its mounted so low, your eyes are off the road for far too long. You've basically lost all sense of feel, and are depending entirely on visual cues.

Your current car probably has a heater dial. But the Tesla has a temperature button on the screen so it would automatically adjust how much heat is required to reach/keep the selected cabin temperature e.g. 21 degrees celcius. You would probably just select one temperature and tell it to stay there. For weeks.

Subtle difference, but changes things a lot when you think about it.

Oafley Jones · 25-04-2016 5:30pm

aphex™ wrote: »

Your current car probably has a heater dial. But the Tesla has a temperature button on the screen so it would automatically adjust how much heat is required to reach/keep the selected cabin temperature e.g. 21 degrees celcius. You would probably just select one temperature and tell it to stay there. For weeks.

Subtle difference, but changes things a lot when you think about it.

You're describing climate control. Plenty of cars have it with dials. Both of our does. Agreed on the Tesla's touchscreen. It always struck me as something out of MTVs pimp my ride. It just looks like an aftermarket solution. The xc90 has a much nicer cabin, but the unit can be fairly glitchy. That's not to say touch screens don't have their place. Both out our have them as well. But things like hevac controls should always be physical.

25-04-2016 7:25pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

Seriously though you shouldn't be driving if that is the case as it does account for a large amount of fatal RTA

Indeed but I don't live close to work so not much I can do, there are many people in the same situation.

This is where I strongly believe fully autonomous cars would greatly improve safety on the roads. It would be good for those who like to text while driving also.

If I felt that bad that I think I'm going to fall asleep I'd pull in the danger is falling asleep before you realise you need to pull in ! :eek:

25-04-2016 7:36pm

I agree, that touchscreen which looks fabulous, is too full of menus and gadgets that it is a major distraction. The more to distract the more you're not concentrating on the road, it just takes a second or less loss of concentration to have a potential fatal collision. Though if the car can stop itself then maybe it's not s bad ?

Stallingrad · 26-04-2016 9:48am

aphex™ wrote: »

Your current car probably has a heater dial. But the Tesla has a temperature button on the screen so it would automatically adjust how much heat is required to reach/keep the selected cabin temperature e.g. 21 degrees celcius. You would probably just select one temperature and tell it to stay there. For weeks.

Subtle difference, but changes things a lot when you think about it.

My car does have climate but the truth is that few really uses it as you describe, you fire it up max in the morning, dial it down after a few mins, kids in the back are too cold so you adjust it again, and so on.

It is form/fashion over function no question. Ergonomics used to be much valued and respected in car design, not so much anymore.

pajo1981 · 26-04-2016 2:12pm

Stallingrad wrote: »

My car does have climate but the truth is that few really uses it as you describe, you fire it up max in the morning, dial it down after a few mins, kids in the back are too cold so you adjust it again, and so on.

Few use it as he described because they don't understand how it works. There is no need to 'fire it up max'. CC will not heat/cool a cab any quicker just because you've over/ under dialed the temperature setting.

Teslafan · 01-06-2020 11:18am

Hi All,

Long time lurker and have seen a few posts recently of lads looking at secondhand Tesla’s in Irish dealers etc.

I have a Sep 2018 Tesla Model S, 75D Blue, Premium pack inc High Fidelity sound, Enhanced Autopilot, half leather, silver ‘19 slipstream wheels, 20kms.

It’s been well looked after with a full set of rubber mats,
frunk / bootliner and GuardX.

I imported it from the UK myself and I’m considering moving it on as I’m not driving it and I’ve had a change in circumstances.

If anyone is interested here PM me, I may consider a suitable trade in up to around 15K.

Thanks.....

Tesla Model S

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