The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

Chalk McHugh · 10-05-2020 5:02pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Could have sworn a saw Cormac in the first half. TG4 don't even put up the score let alone the teams. No wonder I didn't see em anywhere near the ball.

Chalk McHugh · 10-05-2020 5:04pm

Game was there for Tipp. Big wind behind them and had it back to one point deficit with 20 mins left.

Chalk McHugh · 10-05-2020 5:46pm

I must comment on Colm Bonnars complete no show in this final. I dont think he felt the weight of the sliotar in his hands for the whole match. I wouldn't have thought that even possible for a midfielder. Babs must have noticed it in first half as he shunted him up corner forward to no effect. But he was back doing nothing in midfield for the duration of the 2nd half. Babs took off Joe Hayes who, if wasn't playing very well, at least was involved at times and hitting some ball. To cap off Colm Bonnars terrible game his direct opponent Pat Malone scored 0-3 from play in a man of the match performance. The difference in the winning and losing of the match right there. Still though, Tipp had plenty chances but for whatever reason the forwards just had a major off day when it mattered most.

Mantis Toboggan · 10-05-2020 6:28pm

Would agree on Bonnar was very poor, look very nervous, like a rabbit in headlights. Crazy that he was kept on. How many subs were allowed back then?

Poor enough performance from midfield up. Nicky and Fox offered very little. Declan Ryan was a class above the rest. Gerry Mcinerney had a cracker too. Overall better team won. Crazy that Galway just needed to win 2 games for an all ireland.

Edit: shocker from Nicky at the end for the penalty.

robbiezero · 10-05-2020 7:32pm

Very hard game to watch. Struggled to stay with it until the end. Its like watching a different sport compared to modern day hurling.
The skill levels have just increased beyond all recognition. As someone mentioned, the bigger boses on modern day hurleys have made a real difference to the quality of the striking.
2 lads just out of minor playing for Tipp. Wouldn't see much of that either nowadays

Chalk McHugh · 10-05-2020 7:56pm

I actually enjoyed the game. I love the hip-to-hip close quarters combat and lots of ground hurling and overhead pulling. There did seem to be very little space though. The new Croke Park field looks bigger. The likes of Nicky didnt have much room to work his magic.

hawkwing · 13-05-2020 11:19am

Anyone over 40 knows '88 etc was a different ballgame,you can't pull on anything now for fear of a card so you had to get rid of the ball asap or be creased. If the ball was there and you pulled anywhere near it --fair game. Tippy/tappy possession game now that could be on concrete in a carpark but higher scoring. 1-20 for most losing teams today. Personally I preferred it up to before the cards/faceguards/backdoors but most wouldn't and there is no point arguing for either case as the game/rules/equipment/tactics are always changing. If there is hurling in 20yrs time it will be different again and some will look at today's games then and put them down too. Clare 97 we were told were a new level,Cork 05,Cats 08, etc etc Every 5 years people look back and think the current team would murder the others before them on every level. DJ Carey made a great point when asked would he have been great years ago--he said maybe he would have not been strong enough etc as it was a different game then and who knows.
Rugby and even cycling to a lesser extent keep changing too. And now with Nike vaporfly's etc you can hardly even compare running any more to the past.

Joe_ Public · 13-05-2020 11:28am

People deride Babs but on the question of the weight of the ball, i think he's had a point over the years. Not sure when it began to show, or what official decisions were taken about sliotar specifications etc, but i dont recall many who were able to lamp a ball over from 80+ yards in the 80s. It's the one major change i would question.

robbiezero · 13-05-2020 4:29pm

hawkwing wrote: »

Anyone over 40 knows '88 etc was a different ballgame,you can't pull on anything now for fear of a card so you had to get rid of the ball asap or be creased. If the ball was there and you pulled anywhere near it --fair game. Tippy/tappy possession game now that could be on concrete in a carpark but higher scoring. 1-20 for most losing teams today. Personally I preferred it up to before the cards/faceguards/backdoors but most wouldn't and there is no point arguing for either case as the game/rules/equipment/tactics are always changing. If there is hurling in 20yrs time it will be different again and some will look at today's games then and put them down too. Clare 97 we were told were a new level,Cork 05,Cats 08, etc etc Every 5 years people look back and think the current team would murder the others before them on every level. DJ Carey made a great point when asked would he have been great years ago--he said maybe he would have not been strong enough etc as it was a different game then and who knows.
Rugby and even cycling to a lesser extent keep changing too. And now with Nike vaporfly's etc you can hardly even compare running any more to the past.

You would have to think the conditioning levels will be tapering out at this point. Hard to see how much more amateur players can get out of themselves.

13-05-2020 6:39pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

People deride Babs but on the question of the weight of the ball, i think he's had a point over the years. Not sure when it began to show, or what official decisions were taken about sliotar specifications etc, but i dont recall many who were able to lamp a ball over from 80+ yards in the 80s. It's the one major change i would question.

The weight of the ball is fair enough but thats not the only reason why the game is so much improved than it was then. There is players now that could hurl in a phone box like Cian Lynch and John Mcgrath. Watched Limerick v Galway from 1980 a few weeks back and it was a struggle for them to get the ball on the bás at times.

Joe_ Public · 13-05-2020 7:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The weight of the ball is fair enough but thats not the only reason why the game is so much improved than it was then. There is players now that could hurl in a phone box like Cian Lynch and John Mcgrath. Watched Limerick v Galway from 1980 a few weeks back and it was a struggle for them to get the ball on the bás at times.

No question skill levels have improved, the way and speed with which they move the ball through the lines can be breathtaking at times. Hurling is in great shape, I'd just see it as a slight concern that goal scoring is declining because, in the main, it's just a lot less hassle to take scores from further out. Maybe others dont see that as a negative, just the old schoolers among us.

I know some think we're in a golden age now, but i dont ever think we werent. The last decade has been great for us, but personally it doesn't match the enjoyment i got from 87-92, because frankly nothing ever could.

The 90s were great as well, even when we slipped back a little, while the 00s had their moments. I'm just never that bothered whether one era was better than another, it was all great and enjoyable as it happened.

hawkwing · 13-05-2020 10:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The weight of the ball is fair enough but thats not the only reason why the game is so much improved than it was then. There is players now that could hurl in a phone box like Cian Lynch and John Mcgrath. Watched Limerick v Galway from 1980 a few weeks back and it was a struggle for them to get the ball on the bás at times.

Bubbles is even more skilful but do you think either would win much (or any) ball against the likes of Keady/Finnerty/Linane under '88 rules/conditions-i don't and think they would be horsed out of it the way Tommy Dunne was for a few years. They are effective in today's game the way it is played and good luck to them but they can barely win their own ball even nowadays. I would have Declan and Leahy in there very time under '88 conditions.

Joe_ Public · 13-05-2020 10:39pm

hawkwing wrote: »

Bubbles is even more skilful but do you think either would win much (or any) ball against the likes of Keady/Finnerty/Linane under '88 rules/conditions-i don't and think they would be horsed out of it the way Tommy Dunne was for a few years. They are effective in today's game the way it is played and good luck to them but they can barely win their own ball even nowadays. I would have Declan and Leahy in there very time under '88 conditions.

That's it. You adapt to whatever conditions prevail at the time, or you dont make it, as lots of good hurlers dont. That Finnerty/Keady/McInerney line was a monster. There's nothing, then or now, I'd want ahead of it tbh.

robbiezero · 14-05-2020 9:12am

hawkwing wrote: »

Bubbles is even more skilful but do you think either would win much (or any) ball against the likes of Keady/Finnerty/Linane under '88 rules/conditions-i don't and think they would be horsed out of it the way Tommy Dunne was for a few years. They are effective in today's game the way it is played and good luck to them but they can barely win their own ball even nowadays. I would have Declan and Leahy in there very time under '88 conditions.

John McGrath is well able for the horsing and loves it. Would have thrived in any era.
Bubbles ya, is probably not the combative wing forward type and would certainly have struggled with the supply of ball in the likes of the 88 final, but he has mixed it with the best too and beaten the likes of Paul Murphy and Tyrell etc.

Good forwards in those days too struggled when the ball supply was poor. English was the best forward in the game in 88 and hardly hit a ball up against a solid slogger in Conor Hayes, had he got a similar supply to Callanan in the 2016 final, he would have made hay.
Cormac Bonnar and later Anthony Crosse made a big difference to the Tipperary full forward line as they became a focal point for all the long aimless balls hit in and did the heavy work for the likes of English and Fox.

PlayByTheRules · 15-05-2020 3:01pm

2009 League Final
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb_CYshGroM

Uploaded today by the GAA. Great game despite the loss for Tipperary.

16-05-2020 6:18pm

hawkwing wrote: »

Bubbles is even more skilful but do you think either would win much (or any) ball against the likes of Keady/Finnerty/Linane under '88 rules/conditions-i don't and think they would be horsed out of it the way Tommy Dunne was for a few years. They are effective in today's game the way it is played and good luck to them but they can barely win their own ball even nowadays. I would have Declan and Leahy in there very time under '88 conditions.

No doubt many variables to consider Hawk. Frees are given a bit too soft at times today but some of the stuff that went on years ago was a joke.

Id honestly think the games are unbelievably intense and far more entertaining today. As the saying goes though, if we can see further its only because we stand on the shoulders of giants.

Yes you could make a case for one or two that would have that bit extra to adapt to todays game but for many past players, they seem adverse to the level of preparation in todays game which is expected of amateur athletes.

thesultan · 17-05-2020 10:45pm

Watched the 1980 leinster final. Some wicked belts

23-05-2020 1:17am

thesultan wrote: »

Watched the 1980 leinster final. Some wicked belts

Is that the game Brendan Bermingham scored this unmerciful point from out near the Mater hospital? It barely got in the TG4 top 30 scores of all time but in my view it should have been number one. Wet ball carrying extra weight on a wet day and thats before you consider the distance.

Chalk McHugh · 25-05-2020 9:44pm

Watched the 1968 All Ire yesterday and have to say it was a fantastic game of hurling. From a commanding half time position of a 9 point lead Tipp only scored one solitary point in first 25 minutes of second half and Wexford just came at them in waves.

Mick Roche gave one of the best displays ive ever seen in an All Ireland final in the first half and was good in second half too. Without a doubt the best player on the field and a pleasure to see how great he really was.

Other good performances by Mick Burns, Len Gaynor, Donie Nealon and PJ Ryan in the middle and Babs was decent in first half. Jimmy Doyle shouldn't have played as he could hardly walk. Still scored one from play and only missed one free but he was limping badly and Francie Loughnane looked very dangerous when he replaced Doyle for last quarter.

Have to say i prefer that style of hurling than todays score a minute game. There is little physicality in modern day hurling in comparison. This game had it all. One of the great finals. Just a pity Tipp lost but i really enjoyed my Sunday afternoon watching it.

25-05-2020 11:33pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Watched the 1968 All Ire yesterday and have to say it was a fantastic game of hurling. From a commanding half time position of a 9 point lead Tipp only scored one solitary point in first 25 minutes of second half and Wexford just came at them in waves.

Mick Roche gave one of the best displays ive ever seen in an All Ireland final in the first half and was good in second half too. Without a doubt the best player on the field and a pleasure to see how great he really was.

Other good performances by Mick Burns, Len Gaynor, Donie Nealon and PJ Ryan in the middle and Babs was decent in first half. Jimmy Doyle shouldn't have played as he could hardly walk. Still scored one from play and only missed one free but he was limping badly and Francie Loughnane looked very dangerous when he replaced Doyle for last quarter.

Have to say i prefer that style of hurling than todays score a minute game. There is little physicality in modern day hurling in comparison. This game had it all. One of the great finals. Just a pity Tipp lost but i really enjoyed my Sunday afternoon watching it.

Couldnt agree more. Enjoyed it myself too. The atmosphere must have been electric for those that were there. Still prefer modern hurling though

Funny story related to this game. Jimmy O'Brien who had a stormer for Wexford has a brother in Clonmel selling cars. My father happened to buy a car from him a couple of years back with '1968' on the reg..... 'A timely reminder of the day we turned you over' says Eddie to the father

Joe_ Public · 26-05-2020 12:36am

Too young to have seen the 50s and 60s greats, but remember Francie Loughnane well, probably my first hero in the tipp jersey. Smashing little player, can recall being in cloughjordan for a league match v Galway, Francie rattling the net from about 30 yards and that was me smitten from then on. Later on, often made a point of stopping off in the pub while passing through and had the odd chat with him. Thorough gent.

iebamm2580 · 30-05-2020 12:24am

maybe over-acheievd a bit by having 6 tipp players on sunday game 15, some full forawrd line though english callanan and kelly.

jprboy · 30-05-2020 12:39am

iebamm2580 wrote: »

maybe over-acheievd a bit by having 6 tipp players on sunday game 15, some full forawrd line though english callanan and kelly.

I follow Ray Boyne on Twitter and he's posted some great clips of all 3 in the last month or two.

Each unique in their own way but legends all.

Rasputin11 · 10-06-2020 7:11pm

Alan Tynan was released by Munster last week. I'd imagine the Tipp football management would be monitoring the situation.

The Lost Sheep · 10-06-2020 7:19pm

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Alan Tynan was released by Munster last week. I'd imagine the Tipp football management would be monitoring the situation.

Doubt he'll be back playing Gaelic. Will still be playing AIL if not interested in playing pro abroad. Wont have played any Gaelic in around 3 years

11-06-2020 1:44am

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Alan Tynan was released by Munster last week. I'd imagine the Tipp football management would be monitoring the situation.

Even if he was gone from rugby altogether, would he be probably too physically built up for football now?

You'd imagine also that the contract releases could be as a reflection of the covid situation and having to cut costs rather than a reflection of Tynans actual level of talent?

The Lost Sheep · 11-06-2020 7:57am

Deleted User wrote: »

Even if he was gone from rugby altogether, would he be probably too physically built up for football now?

You'd imagine also that the contract releases could be as a reflection of the covid situation and having to cut costs rather than a reflection of Tynans actual level of talent?

he wont have bulked up too much. Especially if hes at the weight that his profile on munater website says hes at
He didnt play for the full senior team for Munster and he didnt play much for the Munster A team so I dont think covid19 was reason he was cut. Most likely woulsnt have been signed on anyway

thesultan · 12-06-2020 3:05pm

Pat McGrath hurled with Tipp in the late 80s. Any relation to noel and John?

robbiezero · 12-06-2020 3:18pm

thesultan wrote: »

Pat McGrath hurled with Tipp in the late 80s. Any relation to noel and John?

Their Dad as far as I know. Fine hurler and footballer.

Joe_ Public · 12-06-2020 3:52pm

Could be out with the figures but i think it's 9 McGraths who currently hurl (and kick) for Loughmore - 3 brothers, sister and 5 cousins. And Pat had three brothers alongside him when they won first co title in late 80s. Fair contribution.

Paddico · 19-06-2020 3:09pm

Cant believe no one bothered to stick this one up.
Great news for Tipp Football

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0617/1147914-boost-for-tipp-as-quinlivan-among-returning-quartet/

Mantis Toboggan · 19-06-2020 9:49pm

Great to hear Billy Mccarthy is nearing a return, was a horrendous injury.

https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/sport/551874/billy-the-kid-is-getting-back-on-the-beat-for-thurles-sars.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Rasputin11 · 19-06-2020 10:19pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Great to hear Billy Mccarthy is nearing a return, was a horrendous injury.

https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/sport/551874/billy-the-kid-is-getting-back-on-the-beat-for-thurles-sars.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Good article, comes across very well and his positivity is heart warming. Looking forward to seeing him back in action.

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 7:11am

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Good article, comes across very well and his positivity is heart warming. Looking forward to seeing him back in action.

Delighted to see this. Horrific what happened to him. In general (don’t want to personalise this case as it’s his own business) what happens if a club or county player is injured while playing and can’t work because of the injury? Obviously there is insurance but is it sufficient?

digzy · 20-06-2020 4:22pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Delighted to see this. Horrific what happened to him. In general (don’t want to personalise this case as it’s his own business) what happens if a club or county player is injured while playing and can’t work because of the injury? Obviously there is insurance but is it sufficient?

I’d say it depends on who you are. I’d an ex county player from a local club have extensive dental treatment partially due to his gaa activities. They never do that for the average player

Paddico · 22-06-2020 1:17pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

he wont have bulked up too much. Especially if hes at the weight that his profile on munater website says hes at
He didnt play for the full senior team for Munster and he didnt play much for the Munster A team so I dont think covid19 was reason he was cut. Most likely woulsnt have been signed on anyway

Surprised he hasnt made it, thought he looked the all round sports star.
He could be an interesting addition to the footballers

The Lost Sheep · 22-06-2020 1:38pm

Paddico wrote: »

Surprised he hasnt made it, thought he looked the all round sports star.
He could be an interesting addition to the footballers

not that surprising. Never showed enough to get a pro contract with Munster
He may have been good all rounder but not good enough to progress with Munster. Championship in England or prod2 in France only likely places he'll play now if playing peo anywhere

Rasputin11 · 22-06-2020 9:52pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

not that surprising. Never showed enough to get a pro contract with Munster
He may have been good all rounder but not good enough to progress with Munster. Championship in England or prod2 in France only likely places he'll play now if playing peo anywhere

That would be a tough way to earn mediocre money for a few years.

iebamm2580 · 27-06-2020 7:41pm

This winter hurling could suit our lads, best stick players in the country and should slow down some of the other teams as we are not blessed with pace, cork are screwed, limericks short running game could be difficult to pull off and wexford and kilkenny dont have the forwards to put up scores in difficult weather. between us lim and galway i reckon.

robbiezero · 27-06-2020 7:52pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

This winter hurling could suit our lads, best stick players in the country and should slow down some of the other teams as we are not blessed with pace, cork are screwed, limericks short running game could be difficult to pull off and wexford and kilkenny dont have the forwards to put up scores in difficult weather. between us lim and galway i reckon.

Wont make much difference in croke park.

iebamm2580 · 27-06-2020 7:55pm

Pissing rain it will make a difference.

giveitholly · 27-06-2020 7:57pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Pissing rain it will make a difference.

Or snowing!!

iebamm2580 · 27-06-2020 7:58pm

Orange ball maybe give hawkeye a better view of it in hogans hand and not crossing the crossbar, seeing in pl that hawkeye can **** up.

Mantis Toboggan · 27-06-2020 9:25pm

Winter hurling is all about dogs and kilkenny have plenty of them! Dogs and a excellent free taker will get you along way. I'd make them strong contenders.

I finding it hard to get excited about this year's hurling all seems very distant.

iebamm2580 · 28-06-2020 9:04am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Winter hurling is all about dogs and kilkenny have plenty of them! Dogs and a excellent free taker will get you along way. I'd make them strong contenders.

I finding it hard to get excited about this year's hurling all seems very distant.

dogs will keep a game a close for 50 minutes after that its over, keep tj reid quiet and kilkenny are bet.

lim4ev · 28-06-2020 10:14am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Winter hurling is all about dogs and kilkenny have plenty of them! Dogs and a excellent free taker will get you along way. I'd make them strong contenders.

I finding it hard to get excited about this year's hurling all seems very distant.

Am thinking the exact same on all points you raised here. i can see problems for these matches to even take place what if someone gets the virus? Fixing these games whack bang in the middle of the next flu season defies comprehension to me but i haven't heard many say the same surely these could have been started in September thats giving the clubs july and August i know there'll be time needed to prepare/train etc but anything is better than the way they are going with.

Re the hurling we (limerick) got the short stick plus Clare of course but would rather our draw than Tipps at least if we beat Clare we'll have a game under our belts but ahhh I can't get too excited yet cos I just fear unless they change dates this might not even happen. I hope to God it does though snow or no snow

Mantis Toboggan · 28-06-2020 11:41am

iebamm2580 wrote: »

dogs will keep a game a close for 50 minutes after that its over, keep tj reid quiet and kilkenny are bet.

Think you're being a little harsh they've plenty of ability to go with those dogs.
Remember TJ didn't score from play in the semi final win over Limerick.

iebamm2580 · 28-06-2020 11:52am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Think you're being a little harsh they've plenty of ability to go with those dogs.
Remember TJ didn't score from play in the semi final win over Limerick.

me harsh on kilkenny never ha, i truly would fear wexford more with there running game. Mullen will be very good but other than that i dont think im being at all harsh, they have very agricultural hurlers coming through, there u21s last year were well off the pace against cork in the semi.

lim4ev · 28-06-2020 1:31pm

Kk the masters of hard dogs for the road and with cody........ Tj though 33 later this yr and Tipp of course have a few at wrong side of 30 some will say winter hurling might suit old legs I disagree anyway as already said croker at any time will be close to ideal

iebamm2580 · 28-06-2020 1:39pm

lim4ev wrote: »

Kk the masters of hard dogs for the road and with cody........ Tj though 33 later this yr and Tipp of course have a few at wrong side of 30 some will say winter hurling might suit old legs I disagree anyway as already said croker at any time will be close to ideal

kk havent won since 2015 and i dont see that changing anytime in next few years, the great kk team is gone and comparisons with the new crop cannot be justified. My point about winter hurling was the chances of it pissing down are likely and this will suit the more skillful hurlers irregardless of the pitch. Wet day will not suit limericks short running game where accuracy and first touch are key either.

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