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Election Thread - Dublin West - SEE MOD NOTE IN POST 1

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  • #202
    jd1983
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭jd1983


    Former Former wrote: »
    This is absolute fantasy.



    This would be highly illegal.

    Absolute fantasy, not at all, it's common sense. I know of families that have paid multiple times the initial build cost of their council house in rent to the local authority.

    The parliament decides on what's legal/illegal, that's their job as legislators!


  • #203
    chucknorris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    From talking to people this is what I predict. Not based on anything other than opinion.

    Leo to come in number 1 - He has a strong base
    Chambers to come in number 2 - FF vote in Dublin west is guaranteed at least 16%
    Paul Donnelly to come in number 3 - I realise he has a golden chance before and missed out but Ruth is gone a bit crackers with the whole feminist thing IMO and really hasn't delivered ANYTHING other than point out what's wrong, which is easy.
    Roderic or Joan for the 4th. You would think Roderic has a decent chance but Joan Burton would still get a sizable elderly vote if that makes sense.


    Many friends who don't or never voted SF are giving Donnelly the vote. A lot of them have a pain in their a**e with the same old, same old carry on and want to see if others can make a difference.


  • #204
    Caranica
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    jd1983 wrote: »
    The parliament decides on what's legal/illegal, that's their job as legislators!

    Not quite, we have the president, the council of state and the supreme court to oversee them.

    But back to the general election in Dublin West, has Peter Casey got posters up? Haven't spotted any.


  • #205
    chucknorris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Caranica wrote: »
    Not quite, we have the president, the council of state and the supreme court to oversee them.

    But back to the general election in Dublin West, has Peter Casey got posters up? Haven't spotted any.

    Haven't seen any.

    Joan Burton's presence on polls is relatively low which to me anyway, suggests posters do have a valid effect.


  • #206
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    jd1983 wrote: »
    Absolute fantasy, not at all, it's common sense. I know of families that have paid multiple times the initial build cost of their council house in rent to the local authority.

    The parliament decides on what's legal/illegal, that's their job as legislators!

    No. Just no.

    There's the build cost. There's services. There's ongoing maintenance. Social housing is very necessary but it is by definition a giant money pit.

    Ireland is part of an international organisation whose law is superior to ours. The first time a French person or Cypriot holding company or dodgy bloke from Croatia is refused access to the property market, any such law would be struck down.


  • #207
    StoptheClocks
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭StoptheClocks


    I'll be giving Joan a preference. I've seen her out and about 3 times this last week. Not having too many posters up is a positive for me.
    She has been vocal about electrifying the train line to increase frequency of trains for years.
    This would be great for decreasing traffic in the area when it happens. The quicker the better.


  • #208
    chucknorris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Former Former wrote: »
    No. Just no.

    There's the build cost. There's services. There's ongoing maintenance. Social housing is very necessary but it is by definition a giant money pit.

    Ireland is part of an international organisation whose law is superior to ours. The first time a French person or Cypriot holding company or dodgy bloke from Croatia is refused access to the property market, any such law would be struck down.

    My parents rented their council house from Dublin corporation in 1979.

    The houses were built for an average cost of about £11,000 punts.

    They never missed a payment.

    They bought the house from Fingal CoCo in 1996 for £16000 punts.
    (Although it made financial sense to do so any way, the actual reason for doing so was due to the increase in rent prices as soon as we start working from aged 16 as a ralatively low mortgage meant better financial sense)

    I reckon, but open to correction, that the state certainly did not lose out in gthat example and many people in the same estate also took the same route.


  • #209
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    jd1983 wrote: »
    Absolute fantasy, not at all, it's common sense. I know of families that have paid multiple times the initial build cost of their council house in rent to the local authority.

    The parliament decides on what's legal/illegal, that's their job as legislators!

    Well, as part of the European Union the trade off to getting open access to trade and export to a bloc of 500 million of the richest people on the planet is that we also obey certain rules around trading. Banning capital from being allocated to a particular asset class would (a) breach those rules and (b) highlight to the international markets that if we'll do it once, we'll do it again. All these socialist arguments eventually run into "Well we don't believe in the current system anyway and want an entirely new system... With our 3 seats in parliament."

    Back to DubW, I got Ruth's leaflet in the door. Waffle waffle waffle and not one substantive thing beyond "I'll be continuing to make noise." I also enjoy the socialist pivot to the environment - I remember a detailed conversation about ten years ago with one of them talking about how "superabundance" means the earth has all the resources needed to supply everyone equally, it's just corporations limit supply. So their system is actually based on massive exploitation of the environment.


  • #210
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,373 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    chucknorris wrote: »

    I reckon, but open to correction, that the state certainly did not lose out in gthat example and many people in the same estate also took the same route.

    Thats exactly why the State did lose out. Tenant purchase decimated public housing stock. It was a fine and noble objective back when there wasn't inordinate pressure on housing generally, but in hindsight it was a dreadful mistake.

    Rented social housing should be kept available in perpetuity. A small infill development of Council houses was built near where my office is in south Dublin around the year 2000, a mix of 2 bed downsizers and 3 bed terraced. Beautiful design, quality build, great location. Just before the crash I see one of the 3-beds that had been tenant purchased on the open market for 500k. Wheres the societal good in that...?


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  • #211
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,388 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    jd1983 wrote: »
    I'm not running in the election but I'll have a stab at these questions:

    ~ the rent that social houses take in will pay for these houses overt the long term

    Except that people that rent social houses generally don't pay their rent, so there is no money. I don't think the plan of Sinn Fein and others promising housing is to come down hard on council tenants, so there won't be money from that source.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/4963197/dublin-city-council-33million-tenants-arrears-unpaid/


    "ALMOST two thirds of Dublin City Council tenants are in rent arrears, with the total unpaid rising by over €4m to almost €33m during 2019.

    New figures show 25 households now owe the local authority at least €27,000 each, with the largest single debt standing at €38,000."

    jd1983 wrote: »
    ~ a low interest loan could be used to pay for these socials houses, as they're a shrewd investment that will bring income in the local authority meaning the local authority could theoretically be more self sufficient as less reliant on your taxes. Alternatively, if the government continues squandering ~500mln per year on HAP payments and nearly 100mln per year on hotel rooms for homeless then this will come directly from your taxes. Ultimately this tax money will end up in the bank accounts of landlords and hoteliers, a sizable amount of the tax take will be transferred overseas without any circulatory economic benefits.


    Low interest loan from whom? As I pointed out already, the rent simply won't be paid so there will be less self-sufficiency. In fact, the last time I looked at the issue, the annual maintenance bill for social housing was higher than the rent taken in.
    jd1983 wrote: »
    ~ I'd hope a greater proportion of the housing would be built either closer to town or close to high density public transport compared to what we've done in the past. Some former industrial zoned areas near Broomfield train/luas would be an obvious contender.


    I take it you mean Broombridge?

    Yes, the industrial estate there should be rezoned for housing, but that is in private hands, not owned by the council, so you would have to add the cost of acquiring the land.

    jd1983 wrote: »
    ~ I'd ban non residents from using our property market as a virtual bank account. Our taxes pay for services and planning permission, so it's unfair to use our property market as a nest egg.

    Can't do that, as it would be in breach of EU law.


  • #212
    Jebus Diced
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Jebus Diced


    The amount of election posters hung in dangerous positions in Dublin 15 is disgraceful, I travel all over Dublin and it seems like once you get back to Blanch it's a free for all - every "guideline" in the book is broken.
    I'd love to rip some of the really bad ones off myself however after reading this article I wouldn't dare... https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/coachs-moment-of-madness-drove-him-to-tear-down-by-election-posters-38919879.html
    Who can one complain to regarding improperly placed posters?


  • #213
    jd1983
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭jd1983


    Former Former wrote: »
    No. Just no.

    There's the build cost. There's services. There's ongoing maintenance. Social housing is very necessary but it is by definition a giant money pit.

    A bigger money pit then HAP payments and hotel rooms?

    Services? This outlay is necessary for houses built by the private market too.

    Former Former wrote: »
    Ireland is part of an international organisation whose law is superior to ours. The first time a French person or Cypriot holding company or dodgy bloke from Croatia is refused access to the property market, any such law would be struck down.

    Can I assume based on the countries listed above that this EU law only applies to EU citizens? If so then restrict the ban to non EU citizens. Anecdotally I keep hearing of Russian oligarchs, Chinese, Arabs and American companies purchasing property on a large scale. So a ban to non EU citizens would still be very effective.


  • #214
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,618 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Jebus Diced wrote: »
    The amount of election posters hung in dangerous positions in Dublin 15 is disgraceful, I travel all over Dublin and it seems like once you get back to Blanch it's a free for all - every "guideline" in the book is broken.
    I'd love to rip some of the really bad ones off myself however after reading this article I wouldn't dare... https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/coachs-moment-of-madness-drove-him-to-tear-down-by-election-posters-38919879.html
    Who can one complain to regarding improperly placed posters?

    I noticed today Aointu had posters on the N3 inbound on 2 of the bridges at Blanchardstown.

    I believe this is illegal.


  • #215
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,373 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I noticed today Aointu had posters on the N3 inbound on 2 of the bridges at Blanchardstown.

    I believe this is illegal.

    It is. Report them to Fingal CoCo


  • #216
    jd1983
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭jd1983


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Except that people that rent social houses generally don't pay their rent, so there is no money. I don't think the plan of Sinn Fein and others promising housing is to come down hard on council tenants, so there won't be money from that source.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/4963197/dublin-city-council-33million-tenants-arrears-unpaid/


    "ALMOST two thirds of Dublin City Council tenants are in rent arrears, with the total unpaid rising by over €4m to almost €33m during 2019.

    New figures show 25 households now owe the local authority at least €27,000 each, with the largest single debt standing at €38,000."

    To be fair that's a terribly written article, it feels like it's hand picking stats to fit a narrative. If there's problems collecting rent compared to some time in the past (no detail from article?) where arrears was €4m, then steps can be taken to address this. It would be a lot more effective then squandering tax payers money into the black hole that is HAP and hotel rooms for homeless.


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Low interest loan from whom? As I pointed out already, the rent simply won't be paid so there will be less self-sufficiency. In fact, the last time I looked at the issue, the annual maintenance bill for social housing was higher than the rent taken in.

    Have you a source for the annual maintenance bill being higher then rent in take. You haven't demonstrated that rent won't be paid, you simply pointed out that arrears happens.

    blanch152 wrote: »
    I take it you mean Broombridge?

    Yes, the industrial estate there should be rezoned for housing, but that is in private hands, not owned by the council, so you would have to add the cost of acquiring the land.

    Yes Broombridge could be rezoned for housing and I didn't necessarily mean it would be social housing. We need a mix of private and public housing and ideally public housing would be built on land that is already publicly owned.

    blanch152 wrote: »
    Can't do that, as it would be in breach of EU law.

    I'm not very comfortable with a narrative that continues to say our hands are tied because of the EU, this narrative was very prevalent in the UK over the past few decades and has led to Brexit. If it is in breach of EU laws then we could work with neighboring countries who also have housing problems to overcome such issues.
    Last year Mark Durcan and Emer Currie canvassed my house and this narrative obviously rubbed off on Mark from his time in Westminster. I queried a couple of points and his standard answer was that stuff can't be done cos of the EU. I checked a few of his answer and the EU excuse was complete rubbish.


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  • #217
    Jebus Diced
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Jebus Diced


    The Blanch centre roundabout entrance to The Millennium park has 100cm high wooden bollards now with triangular posters protruding from every one all from the same candidate, almost every pole around Hartstown has them all the way down to the ground it's almost every single location that you look you see them in dangerous positions.


  • #218
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,618 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Jebus Diced wrote: »
    The Blanch centre roundabout entrance to The Millennium park has 100cm high wooden bollards now with triangular posters protruding from every one all from the same candidate, almost every pole around Hartstown has them all the way down to the ground it's almost every single location that you look you see them in dangerous positions.

    Think of Tipperary. They have to look at them for another few weeks.

    Jack Chambers having a terrible night on Claire Byrne Live.


  • #219
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Yeah, Chambers is trending on twitter this evening for his petulance and multiple meltdowns on the Clare Byrne debate.


  • #220
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,373 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    How could anyone vote for that eejit.


  • #221
    Remind me
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    Caranica wrote: »
    Not quite, we have the president, the council of state and the supreme court to oversee them.

    But back to the general election in Dublin West, has Peter Casey got posters up? Haven't spotted any.

    Casey has a big ‘10 reasons not to vote for LEO’ sign up at coolmine station.

    He has said he isn’t canvassing or postering in the area.


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  • #222
    chucknorris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    How could anyone vote for that eejit.

    He'll have done himself some damage but he'll still get in.

    he did s similar disaster on Tv3 four years ago and always screws up when unscripted.

    plenty of whest of ireland people living in d15 who'll vote for him every time.:D


  • #223
    miamee
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Reminder: can we keep the thread focused on D15 issues? Dublin City Council stats are not relevant for this discussion for example but if we could get Fingal Co Co stats that would be interesting and more relevant. General chat about council housing etc. can be done in Current Affairs or Politics. Thanks guys!


  • #224
    miamee
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    On-topic, I received my voting card in the post yesterday, I was starting to worry that it was late.


  • #225
    Toto Wolfcastle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    miamee wrote: »
    On-topic, I received my voting card in the post yesterday, I was starting to worry that it was late.

    It's smaller this time around. Less paper is always a good thing!


  • #226
    Remind me
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    chucknorris wrote: »
    He'll have done himself some damage but he'll still get in.

    he did s similar disaster on Tv3 four years ago and always screws up when unscripted.

    plenty of whest of ireland people living in d15 who'll vote for him every time.:D

    He was right to pull Claire Byrne up on it, he was asked a question about child porn as an opener in a climate change debate.

    Certainly didn’t come across well though but the point he was making wasn’t wrong. When he got worked up it didn’t look good alongside others who are known to be calm in debate.

    As you said, overall won’t do damage to his re-election.


  • #227
    ciaran76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    Remind me wrote: »
    He was right to pull Claire Byrne up on it, he was asked a question about child porn as an opener in a climate change debate.

    Certainly didn’t come across well though but the point he was making wasn’t wrong. When he got worked up it didn’t look good alongside others who are known to be calm in debate.

    As you said, overall won’t do damage to his re-election.

    CB had the right to ask him why that was in the Climate Change manefesto as I wasn't aware that FF lumped all thoses issues into the same department.

    Sounds like FF are a bit stretched in that department but his over reaction was just mind blowing. Reminded me of his last tv debate a few years ago too.

    Also when he is asked any tough questions at the door he has a handler to usher him away or answer calmy from what I have seen.


  • #228
    Remind me
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    CB had the right to ask him why that was in the Climate Change manefesto as I wasn't aware that FF lumped all thoses issues into the same department.

    Sounds like FF are a bit stretched in that department but his over reaction was just mind blowing. Reminded me of his last tv debate a few years ago too.

    Also when he is asked any tough questions at the door he has a handler to usher him away or answer calmy from what I have seen.

    100% he should just answer calmly or like 99% of politicians waffle without giving an answer.

    It is the department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment so they haven’t lumped it all in together. What they have done is. I different to any other manifesto because that is the Department.


  • #229
    Pat Dunne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    Toto Wolfcastle wrote: »
    It's smaller this time around. Less paper is always a good thing!

    Based on my own personal experience the way the Register of Electors, is administered by the various Local Authorities is a complete and utter joke, that is open to abuse and personation.
    Imagine if you could go to your Polling Station simply swipe your hypothetical National ID Card, which would automatically verify your ID. Upon verification the Polling Station Official would then issue you with your Ballot Paper and away you go and cast your vote in the usual manner.


  • #230
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    So you're going with his line that RTÉ and Clare Byrne unfairly targeted him? If he can't handle soft questions he's not cut out for any form of public work, as he's proved on more than one occasion.


  • #231
    Remind me
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    Hurrache wrote: »
    So you're going with his line that RTÉ and Clare Byrne unfairly targeted him? If he can't handle soft questions he's not cut out for any form of public work, as he's proved on more than one occasion.

    If this is directed at me I am not at all saying RTÉ unfairly targeted him and I’ve already said he should have just answered it in some shape or form.

    What I do not disagree with him doing is questioning what relevance a question about child porn has to do with a debate on climate.

    Was any other candidate questioned on the Communications part of their brief? (I didn’t see the debate in its entirety)

    On his public work he looks to me like he has done quite well in his defence portfolio.


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  • #232
    OfflerCrocGod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,323 ✭✭✭OfflerCrocGod


    Remind me wrote: »
    On his public work he looks to me like he has done quite well in his defence portfolio.
    Indeed, he does seem very defensive.


  • #233
    miamee
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Any interest in me setting up a secret poll like this one just for our constituency to see how the land lies before Saturday?


  • #234
    holly_johnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭holly_johnson


    miamee wrote: »
    Any interest in me setting up a secret poll like this one just for our constituency to see how the land lies before Saturday?

    Sounds like a great idea!


  • #235
    miamee
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    It's live now: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058052217


  • #236
    Toto Wolfcastle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    RTÉ has a Twitter account and live tracker for every constituency which should make following things a little easier. The handle is @RTEdublinWEST and they’ve tweeted a link to the tracker.


  • #237
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,588 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I was surprised just how desperate / pleading Coppingers posters are when I was driving through this morning


  • #238
    Codpeas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Codpeas


    L1011 wrote: »
    I was surprised just how desperate / pleading Coppingers posters are when I was driving through this morning

    She's had people standing at junctions holding large banners saying her seat is under threat. They were up at junction of Blanch Road and N3 yesterday morning and down by Blanch Road/ Clonsilla Road early this morning.

    Methinks she might be a tad worried alright...


  • #239
    miamee
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    Well she's not wrong to be worried, is she? Only 2 out of 53 voters on our secret poll are giving her their first vote.


  • #240
    Caranica
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Two guys with a sheet on the Navan Road at the maple centre "f*CK Leo out on Saturday" and a hashtag I couldn't read in the rain. Poor darlings getting soaked


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  • #241
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    L1011 wrote: »
    I was surprised just how desperate / pleading Coppingers posters are when I was driving through this morning

    That's exactly what I thought.

    The leaflet that came through the door yesterday was basically "vote Ruth because she's a woman and men are all bastards".


  • #242
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Coppinger had the same tactics in 2016

    Vote for me as a woman representative and sending out last minute desperate messages. It worked that time but it won't work again

    The secret poll thread poster had Varadkar, Chambers, Donnelly and O´Gorman. Exactly how I would see it and in that order too


  • #243
    KGLady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭KGLady


    L1011 wrote: »
    I was surprised just how desperate / pleading Coppingers posters are when I was driving through this morning

    I was irked by the ones with phrasing like "dont let Ruth be pushed out of the Dail". Some language around being squeezed out too. Its creating a persecution narrative out of the reality of OUR voting preferences. The unsurprising cheek of them. Gven the antics of her supporters in 2016 knocking on doors late into the night before the polls opened claiming outlandish ****e in order to play voters against two other candidates, this notion of her being pushed out is even more galling.

    Joan also was pushing hard on the 'risk of no woman representative' angle earlier in the week, and I almost fell into empathy and considered giving her a slightly higher preference ... however she made assumptions based upon where I was when speaking to her and she landed a classest jibe about other parts of the constituency, including where I live. :rolleyes:


  • #244
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    She has new fliers out with her whinging that her seat may be at risk with Joe Higgins photoshopped into the pic with her, but with no reference to him in the text. Bizzare.


  • #245
    LoonyLovegood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    She had someone driving around Laurel Lodge and Carpenterstown last night with a loudspeaker on top of the car, yelling to vote for Ruth for women...I'm a woman and it's just pushing her further down my list.


  • #246
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    It’s pretty telling that they can’t arrive at a better argument than that. No real accomplishments beyond the whinging.

    With the Shinners up where they are now that path for left wing votes through Mulhuddart is very very small.


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  • #247
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Anyone know if there are rules about posters on railings and in estates?

    Loads of SF posters in the estates around huntstown, and some tied up at the railings right outside the school.

    Chambers had some in some road signage too, directly underneath the sign which I thought would be a Nono


  • #248
    Codpeas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Codpeas


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Anyone know if there are rules about posters on railings and in estates?

    Loads of SF posters in the estates around huntstown, and some tied up at the railings right outside the school.

    Chambers had some in some road signage too, directly underneath the sign which I thought would be a Nono

    For anything you don't think is right, regardless of candidate - take pictures and report it.


  • #249
    ongarite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,283 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Based on early tallies from RTE, Donnolly going to top the poll.
    Coppinger and Burton could both lose their seats.


  • #250
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    ongarite wrote: »
    Based on early tallies from RTE, Donnolly going to top the poll.
    Coppinger and Burton could both lose their seats.

    I'd take that with a pinch of salt, only a small percentage tallied and the boxes from the tally don't include any of the west of the constituency


  • #251
    StoptheClocks
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭StoptheClocks


    That tally has been updated and FG have conceded that Paul Donnelly will top the poll. He has 25% of the boxes opened. The first count is expected at 3.30pm


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