Election Thread - Dublin West - SEE MOD NOTE IN POST 1

Hurrache · 21-01-2020 9:47pm

Weepsie wrote: »

Chambers or Leo. You're voting for the same nonsense. Neither seem to have an original thought in their head and are very, very managed.

Very managed would not be a phrase used for Varadkar, he never was, tends to be a more off the cuff than most others.

angel eyes 2012 · 21-01-2020 10:01pm

I will never vote for Chambers because of the stance he took in the Referendum and I just don't like him. He is of course entitled to his views but not for me. I can see him taking a seat though, due to the strong FF vote in Castleknock.

I'm struggling with my preferences though at this stage. I usually make my mind up the week of the election.

Rosser · 21-01-2020 10:59pm

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

his like a big kid, even watching him in the dail and he looksas if he thinks its great craic, not a chance i'd vote for him

He’s like something from the 1950s, and is proudly against the right to choose. I politely called him out on it at his last canvass and he’s handler said ‘we’re not here to discuss that and off they went. Well they can f right off the next time to ring the bell

Rosser · 21-01-2020 11:04pm

Weepsie wrote: »

Chambers or Leo. You're voting for the same nonsense. Neither seem to have an original thought in their head and are very, very managed.

Well managed is the last thing I’d call Varadkar, he shoots from the hip sometimes hitting himself in the foot. That said the concept of trading him for Martin who is FF back to Haughey and probably Eamon Ryan as Tanaiste....’cause that worked out well the last time. They were there for the crash, for the bank bailout, for the IMF coming in and the minimum wage getting cut...what are we like?

Remind me · 21-01-2020 11:12pm

Rosser wrote: »

He’s like something from the 1950s, and is proudly against the right to choose. I politely called him out on it at his last canvass and he’s handler said ‘we’re not here to discuss that and off they went. Well they can f right off the next time to ring the bell

Did he not quite publicly say he supported Repeal in the end?

Caranica · 21-01-2020 11:17pm

Remind me wrote: »

Did he not quite publicly say he supported Repeal in the end?

Doesn't matter, he voted against having a referendum in the first place. He only voted for the legislation when he realised that 74% of his constituents voted to repeal. One ass saving vote does not cancel out the heartlessness of aiming to deny people the right to vote. Hypocritical of a democratically elected representative to seek to deny a democratic vote.

Remind me · 21-01-2020 11:20pm

Caranica wrote: »

Doesn't matter, he voted against having a referendum in the first place. He only voted for the legislation when he realised that 74% of his constituents voted to repeal. One ass saving vote does not cancel out the heartlessness of aiming to deny people the right to vote in the first place.

I agree, on that matter I think all TD’s should have been in favour of holding the referendum and then they can vote how they want but there should have been no objection to holding it.

Remind me · 21-01-2020 11:33pm

Rosser wrote: »

Well managed is the last thing I’d call Varadkar, he shoots from the hip sometimes hitting himself in the foot. That said the concept of trading him for Martin who is FF back to Haughey and probably Eamon Ryan as Tanaiste....’cause that worked out well the last time. They were there for the crash, for the bank bailout, for the IMF coming in and the minimum wage getting cut...what are we like?

A lot of money is being spent on Varadkar being managed badly so!

Polar101 · 22-01-2020 1:21am

AlanG wrote: »

Posters do seem worse this time than previous elections. Perhaps Leo's team getting caught putting up his illegally before the election writ was passed gave others the green light to ignore the rules.

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I'd say an awful lot of the posters are put up without any regard to the rules. According to Dublin City Council (http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-your-council-register-vote/election-postering), the rules are:

- Posters should be erected at a minimum height of 2.3 metres above footpaths, cycle tracks or any area to which pedestrians have access

- Posters should not be erected on lamp standards with overhead line electricity feed, traffic signal poles, bridge parapets, overpasses, pedestrian bridges, or roadside traffic barriers

- Posters should not obscure statutory road signs or traffic/pedestrian signals in any way

- Posters should be securely fixed to poles with cable ties or similar material to facilitate removal without damage to the poles

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But now you get posters that are pretty much at head height or even ground level. There is also way too many of them, some kind of limit where you can only have 2 Chambers or 3 Coppingers every 20 metres wouldn't be too bad..

Toto Wolfcastle · 22-01-2020 9:17am

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1219895800312090624?s=21

Remind me · 22-01-2020 10:45am

I hope it is disastrous for him

Nijmegen · 22-01-2020 11:51am

Running in two constituencies is a real carpet bagger move. This reminds me of that time that TV hairdresser ran in the Dublin West bye-election after the death of Brian Lenihan. Came along to some public meetings at the time and spouted some nonsense and all but handed out vouchers for his business.

A Knight of Ireland · 22-01-2020 12:00pm

I'm delighted Peter Casey is running in Dublin 15. It'll definitely shake things up and our chance for some real change. I would rather he consentrated on D15 instead of both D15 and Donegal. It may be something that goes against him.

Zaph · 22-01-2020 12:11pm

Remind me wrote: »

I hope it is disastrous for him

I won't be happy unless he gets so few votes that he loses his deposit.

Remind me · 22-01-2020 12:22pm

A Knight of Ireland wrote: »

I'm delighted Peter Casey is running in Dublin 15. It'll definitely shake things up and our chance for some real change. I would rather he consentrated on D15 instead of both D15 and Donegal. It may be something that goes against him.

It will make no difference to Dublin West because he still wants to represent Donegal if elected in both.

He is exactly type of politician I hope does not start emerging on the national stage.

Hurrache · 22-01-2020 12:37pm

A Knight of Ireland wrote: »

I'm delighted Peter Casey is running in Dublin 15. It'll definitely shake things up and our chance for some real change. I would rather he consentrated on D15 instead of both D15 and Donegal. It may be something that goes against him.

The guy probably has never been here, he doesn't give a **** about it. It's a publicity stunt.

Weepsie · 22-01-2020 12:38pm

Rosser wrote: »

Well managed is the last thing I’d call Varadkar, he shoots from the hip sometimes hitting himself in the foot. That said the concept of trading him for Martin who is FF back to Haughey and probably Eamon Ryan as Tanaiste....’cause that worked out well the last time. They were there for the crash, for the bank bailout, for the IMF coming in and the minimum wage getting cut...what are we like?

I didn't say he was well managed, i just said he was very managed. Sometimes the shooting from the hip thing is not that at all, its ery obviously planned IMO but presented in a way to be just that. He's extraordinarily fake.

Toto Wolfcastle · 22-01-2020 12:41pm

Apparently he wants to give people a chance to register a protest vote against Leo, which is bullsh!t because we already have plenty of candidates to vote for apart from him. And he has no intention of taking up his seat in Dublin West.

L1011 · 22-01-2020 1:41pm

Casey is giving him a fantastic chance to get his fifth electoral failure on the same day as his fourth; saving him the wait til the next Seanad elections.

Larbre34 · 22-01-2020 1:51pm

It should be illegal to stand in two constituencies as the possibility exists of a Dáil seat going unresolved.

"Mr Casey said that if he was elected in both constituencies he would chose to represent Donegal in Dáil Eireann."

'Vote for a man who will represent Donegal in the Dáil'.

Even if you subscribe to Casey's particular brand of ill-thought, self-absorbed, narcissistic cretinism - and you lived in Dublin 15 - why would you lend your vote to someone who acknowledges he won't be representing you.......?

Remind me · 22-01-2020 2:52pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

It should be illegal to stand in two constituencies as the possibility exists of a Dáil seat going unresolved.

"Mr Casey said that if he was elected in both constituencies he would chose to represent Donegal in Dáil Eireann."

'Vote for a man who will represent Donegal in the Dáil'.

Even if you subscribe to Casey's particular brand of ill-thought, self-absorbed, narcissistic cretinism - and you lived in Dublin 15 - why would you lend your vote to someone who acknowledges he won't be representing you.......?

And risk the chance of a bye ejection

Nijmegen · 22-01-2020 3:56pm

I think he's just damaging his chances and showing himself up for the impulsive populist he is with this move. People in both constituencies will have a hard think about someone pulling a stunt like this. In Donegal he received enough of a vote in the Presidential that even if it erodes because this is a completely different office he's seeking, would put him in with a shout of a seat. But I'd wonder if this wouldn't increase the chance that enough people are turned off he loses in both. I can't see him getting near a seat in Dublin West, particularly if his effort and announced intention is to represent somewhere else.

Toto Wolfcastle · 22-01-2020 3:57pm

Apparently this guy is also running in a bunch of Dublin constituencies, including Dublin West.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1219996227183529984

L1011 · 22-01-2020 4:18pm

Toto Wolfcastle wrote: »

Apparently this guy is also running in a bunch of Dublin constituencies, including Dublin West.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1219996227183529984

https://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/ has the county lists; he's on West anyway.

Polar101 · 22-01-2020 4:40pm

Well, if Mr. Casey had ever visited Dublin 15, I guess he wouldn't have missed a photo opportunity this morning in Ladyswell (which looked like an anti-immigrant housing protest.. apologies if that is a misrepresentation).

jack presley · 22-01-2020 5:00pm

Polar101 wrote: »

Well, if Mr. Casey had ever visited Dublin 15, I guess he wouldn't have missed a photo opportunity this morning in Ladyswell (which looked like an anti-immigrant housing protest.. apologies if that is a misrepresentation).

I drove past that the past two days and was wondering who was behind it. The signs say “Irish homes for Irish people” or something like that. They were blocking the entrance but this was before the site opens so I don’t know are they stopping workers/machinery getting in and out as well.

LorelaiG · 22-01-2020 11:27pm

Its run by local people with influence from the national party. They're not blocking workers. They've a Facebook group.

Larbre34 · 23-01-2020 12:04am

LorelaiG wrote: »

Its run by local people with influence from the national party. They're not blocking workers. They've a Facebook group.

What is it called, I'd like to cause it some mischief?

I would have thought 'people with influence from the National Party' was a contradiction in terms.

LorelaiG · 23-01-2020 12:52am

Larbre34 wrote: »

What is it called, I'd like to cause it some mischief?

I would have thought 'people with influence from the National Party' was a contradiction in terms.

Its called 'house the Irish first' knock yourself out. They've such gems as having a black fella protest with them and them saying 'lets see people call us racist now'

[CrimsonGhost] · 25-01-2020 12:28pm

Remind me wrote: »

Did he not quite publicly say he supported Repeal in the end?

Chambers is on record stating that he did not believe the amendment to repeal the 8th should be put to the public. Thereby denying democracy. He is not looking to once again be democratically elected. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

Remind me · 25-01-2020 1:31pm

[CrimsonGhost] wrote: »

Chambers is on record stating that he did not believe the amendment to repeal the 8th should be put to the public. Thereby denying democracy. He is not looking to once again be democratically elected. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

I know he said and voted at the time to not holding the referendum which was wrong but he did support it in the end?

Caranica · 25-01-2020 1:35pm

Remind me wrote: »

I know he said and voted at the time to not holding the referendum which was wrong but he did support it in the end?

Only after 74% of the constituency voted yes. Amazing what fear of losing your seat will do to change how you vote :rolleyes:

Remind me · 25-01-2020 1:41pm

Caranica wrote: »

Only after 74% of the constituency voted yes. Amazing what fear of losing your seat will do to change how you vote :rolleyes:

Ah don’t think he was in danger. Should never have gone against it without giving it considerable thought, certainly seemed naive at the time. His seat though was always safe IMO the way FF seem to have rejuvenated in the polls and the dogfight going on for the 4th seat.

If their happened to be an election closer to the referendum then maybe.

Caranica · 25-01-2020 2:00pm

I still don't believe he changed his mind for compassionate reasons. He proudly stood with the FF anti repeal block once the referendum was called. His change of heart was calculated and fake.

Remind me · 25-01-2020 2:02pm

Caranica wrote: »

I still don't believe he changed his mind for compassionate reasons. He proudly stood with the FF anti repeal block once the referendum was called. His change of heart was calculated and fake.

He isn’t and won’t be the only person to change his mind in the country.

LoonyLovegood · 25-01-2020 3:12pm

When the referendum was called, Chambers stood with the anti repeal FF Block, at their save the eighth photoshoot - https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/majority-of-fianna-fail-tds-gather-to-call-on-voters-to-say-no-to-repeal-of-8th-840832.html. He's said that he'll respect what people voted for.

But in two years time the legislation currently in force is going to be reviewed, and I worry if people with his opinion are a majority in the Dail, even though the country said we didn't want it. That's the bit that worries me.

Remind me · 25-01-2020 7:46pm

LoonyLovegood wrote: »

When the referendum was called, Chambers stood with the anti repeal FF Block, at their save the eighth photoshoot - https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/majority-of-fianna-fail-tds-gather-to-call-on-voters-to-say-no-to-repeal-of-8th-840832.html. He's said that he'll respect what people voted for.

But in two years time the legislation currently in force is going to be reviewed, and I worry if people with his opinion are a majority in the Dail, even though the country said we didn't want it. That's the bit that worries me.

It would be political suicide and just wrong for any party to even contemplate going back. All the current party leaders (except Peadar) supported the removal of the 8th.

Irish_peppa · 26-01-2020 11:23am

First time voter here

Im curious I have seen "Ongar" refferred to a lot Sure Ongar is a small village of a few thousand. From the election last year, I see it has 5 seats. Why would a small area like Ongar have such representation what about say Hartstown and Clonsilla

I really have no clue

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fingal-county-council-results-greens-gain-three-seats-as-20-year-old-student-is-elected-1.3890429

Ongar: 5 seats
Paul Donnelly (Sinn Féín) - 1594 (elected count 1)
Tania Doyle (Ind) - 1127 (elected count 5)
Tom Kitt (Fianna Fáil) - 869 (elected count 9)
Kieran Dennison (Fine Gael) - 671 (elected count 9)
Daniel Whooley (Green Party) - 660 (elected count 9)
Matt Waine (Solidarity-PBP) -666
Gerard Sheehan (Aontú) -528
Elaine Carmel Dooley (Labour Party) - 346
Aengus Ó Maoláin (Social Dems) -337
Raghu Nath Narayanam (Ind) - 303
Marian Buckley (Sinn Féin) - 191
Ramesh Racherla (Ind) - 186
Jagan Muttumula (Fine Gael) - 33

Caranica · 26-01-2020 11:51am

Ongar is just the name given to the local electoral area. It covers a much much larger area than Ongar alone. Have a look at the maps on the Final County Council map and you'll see.

For example the new Blanchardstown Mulhuddart LEA stretches all the way over to Charlestown in Finglas.

Zaph · 26-01-2020 12:44pm

Irish_peppa wrote: »

First time voter here

Im curious I have seen "Ongar" refferred to a lot Sure Ongar is a small village of a few thousand. From the election last year, I see it has 5 seats. Why would a small area like Ongar have such representation what about say Hartstown and Clonsilla I really have no clue

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fingal-county-council-results-greens-gain-three-seats-as-20-year-old-student-is-elected-1.3890429

Ongar: 5 seats
Paul Donnelly (Sinn Féín) - 1594 (elected count 1)
Tania Doyle (Ind) - 1127 (elected count 5)
Tom Kitt (Fianna Fáil) - 869 (elected count 9)
Kieran Dennison (Fine Gael) - 671 (elected count 9)
Daniel Whooley (Green Party) - 660 (elected count 9)
Matt Waine (Solidarity-PBP) -666
Gerard Sheehan (Aontú) -528
Elaine Carmel Dooley (Labour Party) - 346
Aengus Ó Maoláin (Social Dems) -337
Raghu Nath Narayanam (Ind) - 303
Marian Buckley (Sinn Féin) - 191
Ramesh Racherla (Ind) - 186
Jagan Muttumula (Fine Gael) - 33

That all refers to the local elections to Fingal County Council. This is a general election, where he constituency is Dublin West, and is mainly made up of Dublin 15 and some adjoining areas. For this election there are 4 seats, with those elected representing the area in the Dail, rather than the local council. Hope that helps.

Irish_peppa · 26-01-2020 1:05pm

Thanks guys makes sense.:cool:

StoptheClocks · 29-01-2020 10:20pm

Irish_peppa wrote: »

First time voter here

Im curious I have seen "Ongar" refferred to a lot Sure Ongar is a small village of a few thousand. From the election last year, I see it has 5 seats. Why would a small area like Ongar have such representation what about say Hartstown and Clonsilla I really have no clue

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fingal-county-council-results-greens-gain-three-seats-as-20-year-old-student-is-elected-1.3890429

Ongar: 5 seats
Paul Donnelly (Sinn Féín) - 1594 (elected count 1)
Tania Doyle (Ind) - 1127 (elected count 5)
Tom Kitt (Fianna Fáil) - 869 (elected count 9)
Kieran Dennison (Fine Gael) - 671 (elected count 9)
Daniel Whooley (Green Party) - 660 (elected count 9)
Matt Waine (Solidarity-PBP) -666
Gerard Sheehan (Aontú) -528
Elaine Carmel Dooley (Labour Party) - 346
Aengus Ó Maoláin (Social Dems) -337
Raghu Nath Narayanam (Ind) - 303
Marian Buckley (Sinn Féin) - 191
Ramesh Racherla (Ind) - 186
Jagan Muttumula (Fine Gael) - 33

You can see the map here. hover over to see the names and click to see the data
https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/results/#/local/fingal-county

Ongar has over 20,000 voters.
The castleknock district includes parts of blanchardstown

StoptheClocks · 29-01-2020 10:31pm

Remind me wrote: »

It would be political suicide and just wrong for any party to even contemplate going back. All the current party leaders (except Peadar) supported the removal of the 8th.

I was going to give Ruth my number one because she's active in the area and highlights the housing crisis, childcare issues and took on the FAI.

But I got a flyer through the door and its all about women and she's still banging on about the repeal the 8th campaign and I'm feed up with it. I voted to remove it and it's over. Lets move on.

She might be dropping to number 2.

Nijmegen · 29-01-2020 11:37pm

StoptheClocks wrote: »

I was going to give Ruth my number one because she's active in the area and highlights the housing crisis, childcare issues and took on the FAI.

But I got a flyer through the door and its all about women and she's still banging on about the repeal the 8th campaign and I'm feed up with it. I voted to remove it and it's over. Lets move on.

She might be dropping to number 2.

They’re professional whingers, nothing more. Won’t go into government with anyone if they get the chance. A pointless vote.

StoptheClocks · 30-01-2020 12:18am

Nijmegen wrote: »

They’re professional whingers, nothing more. Won’t go into government with anyone if they get the chance. A pointless vote.

You could say that about them all including Leo. FG won't get a majority and said they won't go into government with SF. According to the polls FF will be the biggest party, So should I vote for chambers?

TD's in opposition are not pointless. I'd rather vote for someone who stands up for what they believe in, even if that means whinging. I don't have to agree with them on all their policies.

Former Former · 30-01-2020 12:56am

StoptheClocks wrote: »

You could say that about them all including Leo. FG won't get a majority and said they won't go into government with SF. According to the polls FF will be the biggest party, So should I vote for chambers?

TD's in opposition are not pointless. I'd rather vote for someone who stands up for what they believe in, even if that means whinging. I don't have to agree with them on all their policies.

The problem with Coppinger (like Joe Higgins before her) is that she has no intention of actually trying to change things. She knows that it's a much better electoral tactic to sit on the sideline and shout about how sh1t everything is and how the government don't care about women/the ordinary worker/the planet/whatever. She knows that if she ever had to actually do anything, she might be held to account for it so better not to risk it.

Her current posters claim she's the candidate for action on climate change. How?? What can she do about it if she'll never be in a position to make a law, raise a tax or even widen a bus lane?

She's a populist and a very good one at that, but she's not really serious about changing anything.

Caranica · 30-01-2020 1:26am

As someone who has never ever ever contemplated voting socialist before, I'm giving Ruth a very high preference.

She's jumped in the pecking order because Joan Burton disappeared after the 2016 election and now suddenly she wants my vote. FG, enough said. SF want to put €45 on the dole and make those of us breaking our backs working to pay for it. Soc Dems are neither here nor there and Casey can FRO. I've made no secret on here of my contempt for Chambers over the 8th, and so voting tactically Coppinger leapfrogs a lot of people.

Nijmegen · 30-01-2020 1:27am

StoptheClocks wrote: »

You could say that about them all including Leo. FG won't get a majority and said they won't go into government with SF. According to the polls FF will be the biggest party, So should I vote for chambers?

TD's in opposition are not pointless. I'd rather vote for someone who stands up for what they believe in, even if that means whinging. I don't have to agree with them on all their policies.

TDs in opposition are very important. But typically they are also prepared to enter government - even independents, and not just lately. We all know that with FF, FG, Labour, Social Democrats, even Sinn Fein at this stage, you'll get a government out of it at the end just like last time. With Coppinger and the hard left, they will refuse to go into government with anyone. Heck, chat to them and they'll tell you they're not bought in to the very system we have. So they use their seats as a position to agitate and campaign for a new system. If that's what you're into, vote for it, but I think it's a waste realistically.

The hard left pols like Coppinger are good for a cathartic moan, but not actual action.

NufcNavan · 30-01-2020 11:13am

Caranica wrote: »

As someone who has never ever ever contemplated voting socialist before, I'm giving Ruth a very high preference.

She's jumped in the pecking order because Joan Burton disappeared after the 2016 election and now suddenly she wants my vote. FG, enough said. SF want to put €45 on the dole and make those of us breaking our backs working to pay for it. Soc Dems are neither here nor there and Casey can FRO. I've made no secret on here of my contempt for Chambers over the 8th, and so voting tactically Coppinger leapfrogs a lot of people.

So SF will increase the dole and Ruth won't??

This isn't in reference to you but it's interesting how Chambers gets a hard time for his stance on the 8th and yet Leo, Coveney, Martin and many other prominent politicians changed their mind on the 8th once they realised it was going to pass. It seems as if having a loose moral stance is fine as long as you end up on the winning side in the end.

A Knight of Ireland · 30-01-2020 11:23am

There's no way I am giving Ruth any preference. As mentioned before, she is just a shouter and not really a doer. She is running based on a past track record and has nothing new to contribute. She has dont nothing for the Castleknock/Blanchardstown area and seems to concentrate on the areas like Mulhuddart/Hartstown/Blakestown which gives those places a bad name by harping on about social issues in those areas. Why not concentrate and spend some effort on building them places up verbally?

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