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JC Decaux signs - take extra care

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Unfair post ,remove it please
    It was badly worded, I explained my meaning better here

    Sorry if it offended you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Maddison


    Just logged on and because im familiar with the area i read your thread. Amazing work!!!Well done!:D


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    SteveC wrote: »
    It was badly worded, I explained my meaning better here

    Sorry if it offended you.

    but you are still saying that unionised 'state workers' are responsible for this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Roddy23


    Nice work there Madsl.

    Don't know if you know the Rathmines area, but opposite St.Mary's they've erected a similar type structure right in front of the empire take away. I haven't used the junction there yet, since the sign went up, but i'd say its a disaster for traffic turning onto the Rathmines road. Disgraceful planning tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Roddy could you post up a pic if you get chance....

    I'll try and make it over tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    copacetic wrote: »
    but you are still saying that unionised 'state workers' are responsible for this?
    Can we maybe, just the once, have a boards thread that doesn't descend into a bickering match over a minor detail?

    SteveC has clarified his remark and apaologised ...that should be enough.


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    peasant wrote: »
    Can we maybe, just the once, have a boards thread that doesn't descend into a bickering match over a minor detail?

    SteveC has clarified his remark and apaologised ...that should be enough.

    Who actually put the sign there hardly seems a minor detail. Surely it is the main issue? In SteveCs clarification he still says the same thing, that unionised state workers put it there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    It was Wallace Construction (I think) put it up they seem to have the contract for the contract works.

    Planners approved it (although the site map was a red dot on a map, very informative)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    copacetic, if it makes you happy, I fully retract my remark(s) and apologise, once again, if it offended anyone.
    As Peasant said, lets stay on topic and not spoil a great thread.

    Peasant, please feel free to delete my post and any quotes of it in an effort to stop this going OT.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    MadsL wrote: »
    It was Wallace Construction (I think) put it up they seem to have the contract for the contract works.

    Planners approved it (although the site map was a red dot on a map, very informative)

    Do you know if something like this is subject to the usual planning rigramole - i.e. commencement of works and completion certs.

    All of which have to be approved by someone in the planning office - which is ultimately the responsibility of the local council?

    Or have I got that totally wrong?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Thanks, MadsL. People like you who actually care with a passion can make a difference. Great result. Could you please keep us posted on this thread with any follow ups?

    And as for all the posts about who carried out the actual work - it doesn't matter. The council is responsible. I want to hear no more about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭MLC_biker


    Just talking tonight to a friend about the 'lack of community spirit' Thanks for restoring my faith in those who seek to take an active part in the life of their hometown


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Good stuff MadsL, so is it being taken down now? I was about to suggest a group of us go out reef it down :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭eringobragh


    OP.....Good job!!! smilie_thumbsup.gif


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,486 ✭✭✭miju


    Savman wrote: »
    Lost for words.:eek:

    theres a first :D

    on another note, that is just idiocracy personified :(


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    d'ya see flogen video too
    http://www.adammaguire.com/blog/2008/07/07/dangerous-dublin-advert-courtesy-of-dublin-city-council-and-jcdecaux/

    its not over yet remember this is mega corp jcdeuax,( we can vandalise because we're a corporation(tm)) vs
    cowardly powerless councillors


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I presume the Irish solution to this Irish problem will be to put an ambler gambler camera there!


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Thread stickied for a few days at OPs request


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Has it been removed yet does anyone know?


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭windowcleaner


    Excellent post - thanks for highlighting this


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Excellent post - thanks for highlighting this
    +1

    Well done on exposing this danger to the public.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭sionnach


    cormie wrote: »
    Has it been removed yet does anyone know?

    I passed it half an hour ago, there's a barricade around it and they've dug a hole around the base, I'd say it'll be removed tomorrow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Fair f*cks OP, need more active people in the comunity like this lest we be snowed under with poor planning and placement.

    I'm pretty shocked about this whole thing about having to pay for each planning objection and the underhandedness of putting in a separate application for each "structure" (I use the term in it's loosest sense)...it's a damn shame that the public need to pay to have their voice heard...how the hell do we end up with a system like this?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    On a separate issue, I wonder how many claims will be made for cuts etc. from the base...
    SMDC0087.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Those cut outs look sharp.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Bee


    kbannon wrote: »
    On a separate issue, I wonder how many claims will be made for cuts etc. from the base...
    SMDC0087.jpg

    I watched a terrier pup whimpering after it ran under one grazing its back.
    Only Dublin City Council could be this stupid, but what else could you expect from them when you see what passes for "traffic engineering"

    I have mailed my local TD's and councillors to highlight the excellent original post.

    Well done


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭Tipsy Mac


    Excellant work OP.

    Anyone know the councillors who voted to allow these be erected, I would like to personally boycott them and their political parties for life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Anyone know the councillors who voted to allow these be erected, I would like to personally boycott them and their political parties for life.

    It wasn't really the councillers who landed us with this, it was the management who signed the deal, then smoke and mirrored the details, for instance they refused to show the signed contract to Council claimin 'commercially sensitive'. The original deal was 450 bikes, 4 toilets, a wayfinding scheme (fingerposts kindof) and a heritage trail. Plus the removal of 100 48-sheet billboards (some questionable as to their legality anyway)

    It's now been whittled away 450 bikes, NO toilets, NO wayfinding scheme and a pilot of the heritage trail. Plus the removal of 50 48-sheet billboards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I watched a terrier pup whimpering after it ran under one grazing its back.
    PM Sent...ah can't

    Bee could you write up a description of the terrier pup .. I'd like to include this in a letter to the Road Safety Authority.

    my email is no.to.decaux@gmail.com

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Ok Dorset St looks like it is being removed. Now for the next one on Parnell St. This is a poor camphone image but notice the traffic light on the right is obscured except for the red. Which if you think about it means that there is only one effective amber light functioning for the ped crossing. :eek: :eek:

    Also any pedestrians crossing behind this sign are hidden from oncoming traffic, the view of drivers turning right out of the carpark is also blocked.

    Image008.jpg

    Could someone post better pics if they work/live/drive in the area. Thanks.

    Also pics needed of the one by the Bleeding Horse.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    newstalk is doing a bit on the free bike sceme in a minute, on whether people will use them, i wonder whether they'll mention the problems with the placement etc, i emailed this thread them anyway.

    although it might be bumped for mr brennan's death


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    Guidelines for Accessibility of the Built Environment
    http://www.ncbi.ie/information-for/a...lt-environment
    3. Routes must be kept clear of obstacles to avoid unnecessary hazards
    5. Street furniture should have rounded edges.
    5. Street furniture should have rounded edges.

    close up pic
    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=82888&postcount=322


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Fresh controversy erupted over Dublin's "billboards for bikes" scheme after one of the new advert panels became an instant traffic hazard.

    The sleek electronic "metropanel" was placed directly in front of a set of traffic lights and pedestrian crossing at a busy city junction.

    Dublin City Council has ordered advertising giants JC Decaux to immediately remove the structure that outraged locals and councillors.

    Calls have now been made for a halt to all work on the scheme until the newly-erected signs are safety-tested.

    The 2.5-metre ad panel at the notorious junction of Dorset Street and Synott Place was one of a series of billboards being installed in a scheme backed by Dublin City Council.

    The council has now requested the removal of the offending billboard and JC Decaux has undertaken to do so in the next 24 hours.

    obstruction

    "The sign was an obstruction to the traffic lights and as such its sitting was not in accordance with the terms of the grant of planning permission at this location", a council spokesman said.

    "Recent improvement works along Dorset Street has altered the width and alignment of the footpath at this location resulting in the approved sign, which was erected in the correct location, obstructing views for pedestrians and motorists".

    He stressed that a safety audit under the terms of the planning permissions granted is being compiled by JC Decaux and where any sign fails the audit they will be removed.

    However, Councillor Emer Costello said: "I am outraged by what I have seen, especially as there has been a huge number of incidents at those particular traffic lights".

    JC Decaux proposed funding a free bicycle scheme similar to other European capitals in return for around 150 billboards, though this was later dropped to under 100.

    Dublin City Council eventually agreed to 72 sites and some were appealed. In February, An Bord Pleanala overturned permission for 18 billboards, but endorsed six of the 2.5-metre high structures.

    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/billboards-that-caused-traffic-chaos-1430159.html

    *Sigh* journalists...well done for picking it up but the picture doesn't exactly 'tell the story'.

    "Sleek"???
    He stressed that a safety audit under the terms of the planning permissions granted is being compiled by JC Decaux and where any sign fails the audit they will be removed.

    The point (and the story!) is that the safety audit is only being done AFTER construction.
    erected in the correct location
    No it wasn't
    Dublin City Council eventually agreed to 72 sites

    No, they agreed too more - individuals paying almost €300 each in taking it to An Bord Pleanala reduced that number.

    Who changed the road layout - DCC, who granted permission. DCC.

    Hmmm...excuses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭eringobragh


    Again well done OP.Are those black mounts appearing everywhere part of the JCDeaux. There's a few I've noticed, One coming up to UCI, 2 on the road up to the M50 by the Hilton "airport" hotel, One down in Drumconda beside tolka park.

    I'll take a pic when i get a chance. I'd say there's a billboard going be attached to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Again well done OP.Are those black mounts appearing everywhere part of the JCDeaux. There's a few I've noticed, One coming up to UCI, 2 on the road up to the M50 by the Hilton "airport" hotel, One down in Drumconda beside tolka park. I'll take a pic when i get a chance. I'd say there's a billboard going be attached to them.
    Yes. BIG ones.

    PICT0066-1.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    There will be an item on this on the Breakfast Show on newstalk tomorrow (Thurs 10th July) at approx 8am.

    Please send your comments to breakfast@newstalk.ie or text 53106


    Appreciate your further support.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    that is shocking

    Quite outrageous.... I thats not the only place that kind of carry on exists. Theres a sign down at Sutton cross that obstructs the red lights at a railway crossing

    what sort of idiots have we got in this country.... do people now think?

    its makes me sick to my stomach


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,668 ✭✭✭eringobragh


    MadsL wrote: »
    Ok Dorset St looks like it is being removed. Now for the next one on Parnell St. This is a poor camphone image but notice the traffic light on the right is obscured except for the red. Which if you think about it means that there is only one effective amber light functioning for the ped crossing. :eek: :eek:

    Also any pedestrians crossing behind this sign are hidden from oncoming traffic, the view of drivers turning right out of the carpark is also blocked.

    Image008.jpg

    Could someone post better pics if they work/live/drive in the area. Thanks.

    Also pics needed of the one by the Bleeding Horse.

    I noticed that before pretty annoying alright...the mind boogles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    a sign down at Sutton cross that obstructs the red lights at a railway crossing

    Is this a Decaux sign? Pic would great!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 406 ✭✭Pgibson


    I bet it's internally lit up all night every night.
    Just in case enough rersources weren't already wasted on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I bet it's internally lit up all night every night.
    Just in case enough rersources weren't already wasted on it.

    They will be. Save water....waste electricity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 406 ✭✭Pgibson


    I just sent a message with link to this post to www.TapTips.ie, the people doing the advertising.(Actually....lecturing us about the environment.)

    Nice to hear what THEY have to say!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Cionád


    MadsL wrote: »

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    rte1 liveline now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    ooh big barny on liveline helped along with mannix flynn, it was good he brought in the visual pollution angle but i don't know how helpeful it was to madsl and co?

    richard got his bit at the start though saying its was dangerous

    doolan defended the scheme to the hilt

    doolan said they weren't allowed to see the contract till the other councils had negotiated with jcdeaux.

    some labour guy came on saying he was happy to see the overall amount of advertising being reduced.

    they both claimed that hadn't seen the photos or the signs themselves which makes you wonder what they were discussing the other day at the council.

    can we have one boards thread on this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Tell all your friends to be careful this weekend while they are out in Dublin. Mail them this link, and ask them to spread the word. Warn your friends and family.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2xiMQtqFA




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    get black and yellow warning tape and put it around them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    MadsL wrote: »
    Tell all your friends to be careful this weekend
    Great vid. did you make it?


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