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Sellafield protest: Today Jan 23, British Embassy , 6pm GMT

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  • 23-01-2002 3:54pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,564 ✭✭✭


    Address:
    29 Merrion Road,
    Dublin 4

    Right near the RDS.

    Be there or be square!


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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I would normally go along to protests on topics I'm keen on but
    one thing I've found in my time (I'm an old man dontcha know) is that you have to be very careful who is claiming responsibility for your protest.

    Now, sellafield is a fairly clear case as far as I'm concerned but there are other issues (and indeed even this protest) where a little voice in my head says "who's running it, whats their agenda, whats their likely protest method".

    Typedef, I've no doubt you bring this to us in all honesty but can I ask anyone who is calling for protestors or letter writing campaigns or action of any kind to explain the who wheres and whyfores.

    For example, if this were a Greenpeace protest I'd be MUCH more likely to go to it then if it were a SWFie protest.
    Its been my experience that protests and "causes" can be hi-jacked by otherwise-motivated people.

    I'll amend the charter to put this in. Thanks for the info though Typedef, I hope it went well and peacefully... the upgrading of Sellafield right off our shore is disgraceful.

    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,564 ✭✭✭Typedef


    There was some party political stuff with Sinn Fein and the socialist workers movement, I didn't like it much I thought it was playing politics a bit with the issue, but I went to protest the existance of Sellafield and it's clear health risks. I basically put up with the party political stuff which was probably a little off topic, I'm not saying I agreed nor disagreed with the anterior politics and conotations, what was important to me was to go and show support for the closing of Sellafield.

    I was kind of relieved that there was more than one political party present though, I thought it showed that there was some cross party support so there seemed to be a greater plethora of opinions and not just a party line, which I was in support of.

    On the whole I am glad I went, even though I did not agree with all of the politics, I did agree with the core issue, closing down Sellafield. Thats what mattered and I could put up with the rest of what was said. Like I say, it's not that I did or didn't agree with the supplementary political conotations, the issue was Sellafield.

    There were four speakers, one of them seemed to get a bit too bogged down in his election manifesto (politicians huh?), but the other three seemed to make quite a compelling environmental case for the shutting down of Sellafield. One speaker from Louth spoke of how the incidences of cancer in Louth are thirteen percent higher than the national average, and how the radioactivity which he attributed ostensibly to Sellafield was five times higher on the coast of Louth then on the coast of Mayo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    Yeah, Typedef, it's great that there's more political diversity emerging at these protests - protests that are opular in basis are actually becoming popular and diverse in practise :).

    It's great to finally see the SWP, or at least their visibility, on the wane at these things. I was talking to a few of them a few months ago, accusing them of jumping on every bandwagon they get - I mean, they're all into Reclaim the Streets and Critical Mass now ffs. Basically, they admitted it - "wherever someone is struggling and fighting the system, we'll be there supporting them". What they ought to do is alter their ideolgy - it just doesn't work anymore.

    It ties in nicely to that DeV said: if it was a Greenpeace protest, more people may have gone. Yeah! At least they're a large, reputable and non-party political organisation - least they have a solid conviction that doesn't extend past their role. So, it makes you think: if we protested the presence of SWP etc at these kinds of protests, maybe it'd encourage more people to go along. Perception is a huge problem and when it comes to the environment - we've got to do something.

    In fairness to the government, they've been rattling cages for decades and nothing's been done. But while we think of Sellafield 60 miles away (by far the most dangerous), spare a thought for the nuclear power station on Angelsey, near Holyhead too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I wonder would anyone turn up for a protest at the illegal dumping problem in thiscountry?

    I think this counrty is not best placed to wag the finger at our
    neighbours right now.


    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    Good point.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lenny


    Of course our country is going mad, its the American term "NIMBY" at cause's it all ;)


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    What the hell are you smoking?!??

    If some loony arab flies a plane into our "dumping problem" he'd probably bounce...


    .... as opposed to irradiating half the neighbouring country.


    It doesnt even take a loony arab. One homer-esque moron at the controls will do it... can you honestly say all the night-crew have phd's in Nuclear Physics?

    *shakes head in disbelief*

    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,564 ✭✭✭Typedef


    Without someone blowing up Sellafield, right now it is discharging iodine-129
    http://www.greenpeace.org/~comms/97/nuclear/reprocess/saveour05.html

    There is no safe level of radiation
    Medical wisdom once held that low levels of radiation posed no real threat to human health-and therefore dilution of radioactive discharges in the oceans could be justified. The consensus of scientific opinion today, however, is that no level of radiation can be dismissed as harmless and that, in fact, any dose of radiation from reprocessing waste, no matter how small, will increase the risk of cancer and genetic damage.

    The British and French reprocessing facilities now discharge more than 40 different radioactive substances. Many of the radionuclides discharged do not exist at any significant level in nature, yet they are now entering the environment and the food chain in enormous quantities. Although scientific knowledge of the long-term effects of these materials is limited, every review of recommended radiation limits for workers and the general public has revised the accepted levels downward.

    To cite one example, Iodine-129 is among the radiotoxic materials released at dramatically increasing levels. When ingested in food, iodine-129 enters the bloodstream and accumulates in the thyroid. There, the gamma radiation it emits can destroy thyroid cells, impairing the production of necessary hormones. Damage to the thyroid of a foetus can cause mental retardation and other severe developmental abnormalities. Iodine-129 remains dangerous for millions of years

    Iodine 129 is clearly not a pretty substance, yes litter is a big problem in Ireland and the Irish could and should recycle more, the incinerators that the government plan will discharge large amounts of carcinogenic materials into the air and should be derided for it's anti-environmental impact, yet the inadequacies of the Irish government with regard to the environment do not give the British government right to abuse the environment too. Clearly a litter problem is paltry in comparison to a substance like iodine 129. Lets be clear, even if Sellafield never, ever melts down it will still be discharging radioactive materials into the environment and these materials will increase the likely hood of cancer and genetic abnormalities. This is why the plant has to be closed down, another reason is that nuclear materials to be reprocessed in Thorp will be brought over from Japan. Japan, on the other side of the world. The Germans have enough trouble transporting nuclear waste from one end of the country to the other. Can you imagine the potential for serious accident with highly radioactive wastes being shuttled from Britain to Japan and back again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Has anyone in Ireland ever protested
    about the Le Hague facility in France which does the same job as
    Sellafield and is only half a days weather away if the wind is blowing from the SE. Or is that one okay cos its French!

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭chernobyl


    Originally posted by DeVore
    can you honestly say all the night-crew have phd's in Nuclear Physics?

    *shakes head in disbelief*

    DeV.

    they all had one @ chernobyl, you dont have to be unqualified at the job your attempting to do to make a complete mess.
    :)

    To be honest guys, i would not worry too much about sellafield, no matter how much pressure is applied, the new MOX plant will continue so just forget it and if it does go horribly wrong..fatalist here.


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