MiSTer

The Last Bandit · 05-11-2018 9:36pm #1

Anyone else following development of this MiSTer project ? Its a update to the older Mist FPGA Amiga/ST simulation with a load more cores, including consoles, arcade boards etc.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki

Have one board ordered and trying to get the add-on boards, seem to be in short supply so might have to make my own if I can get them elsewhere.

If anyone here is interested I might just order some pcbs and make a batch.

eddhorse · 06-11-2018 2:33pm

I have seen it in all my social media feeds, how much are we talking?

The Last Bandit · 06-11-2018 3:26pm

About €130 for the DE10-Nano board

moonlighting_1 · 06-11-2018 9:52pm

In the process of building mine at the mo. mouser.ie had all the parts I needed to build the ram board aswell (bar the pcb) which I ordered from the US for like 8 dollars. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/t96zYWQX
If I can get it working at the weekend ill put up my part list from mouser.

For those that don't know the memory add on is needed for a fair amount of the cores to work.

The Last Bandit · 06-11-2018 10:57pm

Ya I ordered a batch of pcbs for all the add-ons (10 of each type). Hopefully shouldn't take too long to turn up.

FFS.. the USB hub board got rejected as its too big, needs to be 100mm or less, its 107mm for no good reason...

The Last Bandit · 07-11-2018 7:16pm

Well setup is fairly easy

PC-Engine is the only core I can run for the moment until I get the SRAM card sorted, but ya looks and sounds great. Looking forward to plenty more messing about with it.

Stoner · 07-11-2018 10:38pm

Looks great well done.

trout · 08-11-2018 3:07am

I'd love one. I've been playing with the older MiST... not for consoles as much as the 8 bit micros.

I started off with a "use case" for Commodore Pet, but I got a little distracted by the ST and Megadrive cores.

It's brilliant ... but it's hard to get over the "not-emulation" feel.

Kidchameleon · 08-09-2019 5:33pm

Neo Geo core finally working!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/478389269?fbclid=IwAR3f7-2kGrXduV_LnJfIRIslqXGUAYgaNlpDMKuSBNACVO5zIzgHQpPihWY

The Last Bandit · 05-12-2019 3:20pm

GBA and Mega-CD support now added

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsvPTrAuzlk

CPS1, CPS2 and Playstation all in progress as well apparently.

eddhorse · 14-06-2021 10:17am

Gonna revive this thread from the grave.

Looking at getting one of these.

Many people on here have one or any recommendations?
Probably going to be putting in 15khz arcade cab at some stage too.

Colonel Panic · 14-06-2021 10:51am

I've had one since early 2020 and it's a great little system. It's come a long way since then with loads of support for Cave and CPS1/2 boards as well as new consoles and the like. I do think I've barely scratched the surface with mine!

There's a few routes for arcade connection. I use a JPAC and a small amp for audio at the moment and it's OKAY, but there's a MisterCADE add on from MisterAddons that's coming out at some point over the next few months that will probably be the "final form" for mine.

There's also this, which I'm seriously considering checking out.

Right now, I've got it set up as a console in an acrylic case with a SCART cable.

DE-10 Nano FPGA development boards seem to have gone up in price lately which sucks.

If you're still unsure in a few months when vaccinations are all done, you're more than welcome to come take a look at mine.

eddhorse · 14-06-2021 11:16am

Thanks for the tips.

Will probably just getting everything from https://www.antoniovillena.es

I see https://misteraddons.com/ is doing some International shipping now too but that looks too pricey.

Also Wonderswan has just been added to the MiSTer so that's interesting.

Colonel Panic · 14-06-2021 11:39am

His shipping is why I missed out on the first MisterCADE preorder. It's just not worth their while to use cheaper shipping from the US at the moment as they end up chasing lost and delayed packages.

itguyinaction · 20-08-2021 3:11pm

I'm wondering if one day it become somehow commercial project (at least partially)...

Shapey Fiend · 23-08-2021 4:46pm

I've been using my Mister a ton it's brilliant. I was worried it'd just end up sitting around gathering dust like my Pi 2 that felt super laggy but everything just works after 20 min setup and then updating it with the ini script is dead easy as well.

eddhorse · 26-08-2021 7:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117781133#Comment_117781133

Is it not a commercial product now? ?

KeRbDoG · 26-08-2021 10:44pm

Just saw this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDIz8WY6zLE

deadl0ck · 30-09-2021 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117808549#Comment_117808549

I've ordered one along with a De10-Nano as my first foray into the MiSTer - I've been following the work on this for a while and it looks great.

Fingers crossed for delivery some time in November - I'll keep y'all posted

The Last Bandit · 30-09-2021 3:24pm

More recent launch video out now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzbuHErNQGs

McDermotX · 30-09-2021 3:26pm

Haven't watched it too closely, but fair play to Neil and Co for offering an attractive, almost platform-level, way into the MiSTer world.

Presentation has always been a bit of an issue for the MiSTer build, and while I'm not a massive fan of the 3D-printed 'look', it's more than serviceable in that form-factor and at least it maintains a decent purchase point (spent far more on an aluminium build for example).

Was planning on putting together another system down the line, probably more along the lines of a 90s PC style setup, similar to what was built on RMC before, but this system is a more than decent alternative for anyone wanting a console-style build. Must check out the market pricing and availability of the DE10s nowadays. Hopefully they've been isolated from all the component gouging of recent times.

Colonel Panic · 30-09-2021 5:07pm

Plenty of DE10 Nanos on Mouser, but it’ll cost you €180ish inc VAT

McDermotX · 30-09-2021 5:54pm

Aye.....looks they took a hit alright. Last time I grabbed a couple...can't recall exactly but certainly about 120-130 or so sounds about right.

The Last Bandit · 01-10-2021 9:32am

Looks like another all-in-one solution is coming out for those looking for a more PC like form factor

https://twitter.com/d3fmod/status/1443495666299322372

eddhorse · 04-10-2021 10:02am

Anyone got any good links for a MiSTer kit, been dragging my heels on it and now they seem out of stock.

With UK and customs now, is it best to get from EU only?

The Last Bandit · 04-10-2021 10:19am

You can get the DE10-Nano from Mouser.ie anyway, not sure about the addons but I think there is a list of sellers on the Misterfgpa forum.

eddhorse · 04-10-2021 12:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117973520#Comment_117973520

Super will go have a gander, will be back in 6 months to ask again ;)

Mister FPGA Forum Sellers https://misterfpga.org/viewforum.php?f=34

McDermotX · 04-10-2021 1:13pm

Haven't used any since Brexit hit hard, but it's a shame as https://misterfpga.co.uk/ was always on point with very quick turnaround. Far more options nowadays on the continent in any case, so I'd imagine there's more than a few trustworthy operators on the MiSTer forum.

I believe the lad operating https://ultimatemister.com/ is the same as retroshop.pt, which was one of the original goto places on this side of the pond in the last few years. No idea what the going rates are right now though, but I'd imagine with more suppliers, places need to be competitive............if they have the stock of course.

eddhorse · 04-10-2021 2:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117974291#Comment_117974291

Yeah I've got stung on a few UK based sites now which is a shame.

Will try Ultimate Mister thanks.

EDIT : Ordered from there thanks. (All prices are pre tax so watch out for that, added at the end)

And yes its the same site in Portugal.

Colonel Panic · 04-10-2021 2:50pm

I got a DSUB15 to SCART cable from UltimateMister and it's pretty good quality. Nice little PCB in the SCART head and correctly attenuated csync.

eddhorse · 20-10-2021 5:47am

Got my MiSTer, now to find some time to play with it.

deadl0ck · 20-10-2021 10:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118046047#Comment_118046047

Nice- let us know what you think !

o1s1n · 16-11-2021 1:08pm

Any of you guys end up lashing one of these into a cab? If so, how'd it go? Much setup involved?

The Last Bandit · 16-11-2021 1:26pm

Nope, mine lives as an Amiga, have played some of the arcade cores alright and seem decent.

One guy did ping a while ago he was using one of my old jammacon boards with the Mister for video & audio amplification and a ipac type USB controller interface, said it worked great. But there are bound to be Mister specific Jamma adapters on the market by now.

I know some people have complained that the screen is inverted on some cores with no to flip it.. I guess it depends on whether your CRT is rotated to the left or right.

o1s1n · 16-11-2021 1:35pm

Oh I never thought of using your Jammcon, that's not a bad idea - I still have one of them knocking about.

I see Aliexpress has some options, tad pricey though

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003278785506.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.48e91614zbnMtq&algo_pvid=3920ee82-d4cb-426c-91f5-c939bcfc0c00&algo_exp_id=3920ee82-d4cb-426c-91f5-c939bcfc0c00-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000024994881389%22%7D

The Last Bandit · 16-11-2021 1:40pm

The Jamma board is available on it own as well but still way overpriced.

bugs · 16-11-2021 1:46pm

I picked up an Irken Labs Jamma Expander a few months back. For arcade cores, it's very nearly a setup, then plug and play solution. For console/computer cores, he has an allowance to configure and save controls which requires little effort.

Fantastic bit of kit and I believe he will have more for order shortly. There are some shortcomings but it's brand new and hasn't even gotten it's first firmware update yet.

o1s1n · 16-11-2021 3:13pm

Good stuff, thanks guys!

So basically I just need to set up MiSTer on a DE10-Nano and connect it to one of these Jamma IO boards?

Looks to be an interesting project.

bugs · 16-11-2021 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118175135#Comment_118175135

At least for the Irken Labs one, you setup the DE10 per their guide, after that you can leave it alone. Most games map controls correctly, start and coin work as normal. Mister menu can be directly operated from the arcade controls through shortcuts (UP+START). Few more options via on board buttons and a small OLED.

eddhorse · 16-11-2021 10:18pm

Theres this as well : (expect brexit tax)

https://rmcretro.store/multisystem-board-only/

And the Mistercade , expect shipping from murica

https://misteraddons.com/products/mistercade

I assume you can just use a Jpac?

Skerries · 17-11-2021 3:06pm

I've been following the development of the multisystem on RMC and it looks very interesting, quite a polished piece of kit

bugs · 17-11-2021 3:49pm

There is also https://www.jammix.io/

Which initially seemed like it would never happen but is about to release.

CathalDublin · 21-11-2021 10:46am

Just when I decide to build one of these the DE10 nano looks to be out of stock worldwide :(

The Last Bandit · 21-11-2021 11:29am

8 week lead time with Digikey although I’d not be surprised if this is extended

CathalDublin · 21-11-2021 12:56pm

Yea, I thought I might get one in the states as my sister lives there but nothing over there either

CiDeRmAn · 22-11-2021 11:33am

So, money-wise, what is it going to cost me to get one of these installed in my cab?

CathalDublin · 23-11-2021 10:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118204894#Comment_118204894

You'll need

The Terasic DE10-nano which is €155 on mouser.ie (Not in stock).

128mb ram needed for cps2 and some other cores, you wouldn't do without in an arcade €40-50

The Jamma Board/extender is about €150-175 depending on which one you go for, there seems to be 2 or 3 available or at least in development at the moment

So you are probably talking €375ish all in

I get that they can't have a flashy FE as there is no GPU but someone got to create a nicer basic linux UI menu system

I really like the look of the Jammix board

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_PJgaV556k&ab_channel=owlnonymous[/youtube]

*no idea if you can still embed youtube videos

CiDeRmAn · 24-11-2021 9:36am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_PJgaV556k

Colonel Panic · 02-12-2021 10:54pm

https://twitter.com/MisterAddons/status/1466436326622851072

I reckon this is the best MiSTer to JAMMA solution, but they're $200. I managed to snag one a few days ago but it's gonna take WEEKS to get here. I'm hedging my bets and considering getting an IrkenLabs Jamma Expander too.

Inviere · 03-12-2021 9:44am

As an alternative, could you use the analogue out on the Mister and pair it with a JPAC? How do the likes of the Mistercade differ from using a *PAC device, is it less signal processing or something?

Colonel Panic · 03-12-2021 10:02am

Yeah, that's my current setup and it works pretty well.

You also need to do something about amplifying audio and putting that into the JPAC so I got a few amp boards, but them into mono mode and wired it all up.

There's a few issues though, namely getting 5V into the MiSter from the arcade PSU when I'm not sure how stable said 5V is and the audio amps I've tried so far are all a bit crap.

The advantages of MiSTerCade are low latency USB polling, lots of custom config for arcade games, the fact that it uses the 12V PSU rail for everything and makes sure nothing will kill your DE-10 Nano, better audio amplification etc.

Also, for analogue video out into the JPAC you need either the analogue board, or direct video with a HDMI to VGA adapter. It's all just less elegant than one expansion board.

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