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    #602
    Russman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Russman


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    I love the way people think that when posters defend posts they disagree with, they are "the blind faithful". I certainly am not, I just like to call people out on their bull.

    Ok - Abu Dhabi - his playing partner agreed that the ball was embedded. An error of judgement - doesn't make him a cheat.

    The drop at the players - yes, it looked like the wrong position on camera but again, Tiger's playing partner agreed on the line of entry over the hazard and I think a marshal indicated it to be the approximate area also.





    Fudged in his favour? There was a rule put in place to stop harsh retrospective disqualifications - hardly makes him a cheat. If you don't agree with it - place the blame on the R&A, not Tiger.

    Abu Dhabi was unlucky and IMO not really any fault of his - apart from obviously the player being ultimately responsible etc.

    The Players - well, my opinion on that is that the playing partner (can't remember who it was) is only a rookie or second year player and in fairness I can't see him telling Tiger Woods "sorry mate, it all the way back there". My own opinion on that one is that Tiger decided where he'd like to drop it and everything else was just going to have to fall into place.

    The Masters, that was beaten to death on here, but yes, the ruling was fudged in his favour. He didn't try to break a rule here IMO rather he simply forgot what he could and couldn't do and in what situations. Easy to do, but they found a way to keep him in. Forgetfulness or ignorance shouldn't be a defence.

    This one is totally different I think. Its all subjective, but they way he stops and stands up and walks away after the ball moves is the giveaway for me. I think he knows then.

    Either way there's an awful lot of incidents with this player, for sure, not all his fault, but in a lot of peoples opinions he could have handled some of them differently.


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    #603
    Oilbeefhooked!
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭Oilbeefhooked!


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    I love the way people think that when posters defend posts they disagree with, they are "the blind faithful". I certainly am not, I just like to call people out on their bull.

    Ok - Abu Dhabi - his playing partner agreed that the ball was embedded. An error of judgement - doesn't make him a cheat.

    The drop at the players - yes, it looked like the wrong position on camera but again, Tiger's playing partner agreed on the line of entry over the hazard and I think a marshal indicated it to be the approximate area also.





    Fudged in his favour? There was a rule put in place to stop harsh retrospective disqualifications - hardly makes him a cheat. If you don't agree with it - place the blame on the R&A, not Tiger.

    Exactly the reply I expected and all fair comments, as it is a grey area.
    Just feel tiger operates in the darker grey of that grey area .
    Still find it strange that in the days of huge prize monies , and retrospective Tv coverage , tigers is happy to accept a nod from a possibly intimidated playing partner, when a ref is never far away.
    We will never know if that same ruling at the masters would have been implemented for a lesser billed player or if the same effort would be made to inform lesser players of misdemeanours before they sign for an incorrect score.
    I just find it really really difficult to believe he didn't see the logo of his golf ball rotate to obvious different position , but again we will just have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
    But to see all 4 scenarios as by no means anyhow even slightly dubious on TW behalf , and therefore fully in the hands of the ruling authorities, playing partners and amateur cameramen/ TV viewers is blindly loyal IMO.


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    #604
    SnowDrifts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    I do agree the incidents at the Players and this event are dubious but not the other two. Regarding this event, I could only see the ball move and not return to it's original position when it was played in slow mo. Tiger could well have thought the ball only oscillated and returned to its original position, but as you and Russman rightly point out, it is dubious.


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    #605
    WHIP IT!
    Registered Users Posts: 5,881 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    I do agree the incidents at the Players and this event are dubious but not the other two. Regarding this event, I could only see the ball move and not return to it's original position when it was played in slow mo. Tiger could well have thought the ball only oscillated and returned to its original position, but as you and Russman rightly point out, it is dubious.

    I just don't buy that. We regularly see Tour players call referees even to give rulings on Rules they are sure about - they pretty much always use caution and allow the referee make the call... if Tiger thought the ball moved and rolled back, he would still have called the ref to explain the situation and keep everything above board... great camerawork by the TV guy, although I'm sure Woods doesn't agree.


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    #606
    Dolph Starbeam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,536 ✭✭✭Dolph Starbeam


    Wow, commentators just saying its the 22nd of 39 Tournaments to have a weather delay.


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    #607
    SnowDrifts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    It's definitely been some year for weather delays. The course is looking like a lake right now. They will be doing well to get back out at all today.


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    #608
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Rory's rubbish play allowed him a quick escape - it's an ill wind :pac:


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    #609
    Rikand
    Registered Users Posts: 20,340 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    It's definitely been some year for weather delays. The course is looking like a lake right now. They will be doing well to get back out at all today.

    play gone for the day

    back tomorrow 9 am EST


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    #610
    OilBeefHooked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 836 ✭✭✭OilBeefHooked2


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    Think of my last post as your junior cert exam question.. you did make an attempt to answer so you get a few marks. But you are going to actually have to answer the question to pass.

    Now... please elaborate on how cheating is par for the course for Woods now? Or was that just uneducated verbal tripe?
    This is what happens when a player becomes bigger than the game, you get fools blindly following.
    Someday, when you take off the blinkers you might see the light, or when you grow up you may understand that defending the indefensible is foolish.


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    #611
    manafana
    Registered Users Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭manafana


    have agree tiger seems to believe he doesn't need to apply same standards to himself as other players, some of the fouls players call on himself and he didn't even call over a rules official for that.


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    #612
    SnowDrifts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    david-k wrote: »
    This is what happens when a player becomes bigger than the game, you get fools blindly following.
    Someday, when you take off the blinkers you might see the light, or when you grow up you may understand that defending the indefensible is foolish.

    You have one more chance to engage in an intellectual debate rather than insults... you suggested cheating was par for the course for Tiger, now actually back up your argument with examples. Where and when are all these acts of cheating taking place?


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    #613
    OilBeefHooked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 836 ✭✭✭OilBeefHooked2


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    You have one more chance to engage in an intellectual debate rather than insults... you suggested cheating was par for the course for Tiger, now actually back up your argument with examples. Where and when are all these acts of cheating taking place?
    Seriously I haven't got the time or the inclination to go through every shady incident he was involved in, but Its been pointed out to you by a previous poster above of TW's recent infractions, nevermind the ones the cameras didn't pick up, now I know TW is probably your childhood hero and this might come as a shock to you but the sun doesn't shine outta his @ss, and btw I don't like you extremely aggressive tone, it's almost like you believe if you deny it strongly enough it won't be true (much like your hero). Grow up like a good lad and see the light.


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    #614
    GS11
    Registered Users Posts: 385 ✭✭GS11


    The most embarrasing thing I saw at the wkend was Sergios attempt at a "buddy" handshake with Tiger at the end of the round. U don't like the guy, u have apologised for what u said, he is never going ot forgive you, move on and accept that please.


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    #615
    SnowDrifts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    Looks like Jordan Spieth is going to make the top 30 Tour Championship next week. Youngest player to ever do so. What a season the 20 year old rookie is having.


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    #616
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    And a late charge by Donald gets him in too, despite being rubbish all year


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    #617
    GS11
    Registered Users Posts: 385 ✭✭GS11


    Interesting article re Woods and the moving ball.


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/michael-hoeys-moving-decision-a-welcome-lesson-in-etiquette-for-woods-29584612.html


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    #618
    deadeye187
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 988 ✭✭✭deadeye187


    will the golf be on tv tonight?


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    #619
    m r c
    Closed Accounts Posts: 802 ✭✭✭m r c


    Which golf? The BMW finished yesterday and was live. The tour championship starts on Thursday.


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    #620
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Scenarios to win the FedExCup
    No. 1 Tiger Woods
    • If he wins the TOUR Championship he wins the Cup
    • Has a reasonable chance of winning with a top-5 finish
    • Can finish as low as 29th and still have a mathematical chance of winning
    No. 2 Henrik Stenson
    • If he wins the TOUR Championship he wins the Cup
    • Has a reasonable chance of winning with a top-3 finish
    • Can finish as low as a 2-way tie for 6th and still have a mathematical chance of winning
    No. 3 Adam Scott
    • If he wins the TOUR Championship, he wins the Cup
    • Has a reasonable chance of winning with a 2nd-place finish
    • Can finish as low as T-4th and still have a mathematical chance of winning
    No. 4 Zach Johnson
    • If he wins the TOUR Championship, he wins the Cup
    • Has a reasonable chance of winning with a 2nd-place finish
    • Can finish as low as T-3rd and still have a mathematical chance of winning
    No. 5 Matt Kuchar
    • If he wins the TOUR Championship, he wins the Cup
    • Can finish as low as a two-way tie for 2nd and still have a mathematical chance of winning
    No. 6 Steve Stricker
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes T-2 or worse
    • Can finish 2nd and still have a mathematical chance of winning
    No. 7 Graham DeLaet
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 8 Phil Mickelson
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 3rd* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-2* or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes 2nd* or worse
    No. 9 Justin Rose
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes 3rd or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-2 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes 2nd* or worse
    No. 10 Brandt Snedeker
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 5th or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-2 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes 2nd* or worse
    No. 11 Jim Furyk
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes T-6 or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-4 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 12 Nick Watney
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes in a three-way tie for 6th or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-4 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 13 Jordan Spieth
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes T-7 or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-4 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 14 Jason Day
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes T-8 or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-4 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 15 Hunter Mahan
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 9th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-4* or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 16 Keegan Bradley
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes in a three-way tie for 9th or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes in a three-way tie for 4th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes 3rd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 17 Gary Woodland
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes in a three-way tie for 10th or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes in a three-way tie for 4th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes 3rd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 18 Bill Haas
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes T-11 or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes 5th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes 3rd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    No. 19 Kevin Streelman
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes T-12 or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes 5th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes 3rd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 20 Jason Dufner
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes in a three-way tie for 12th or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes 5th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes 3rd or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 21 Webb Simpson
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 13th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes 5th* or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes 3rd* or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 22 Billy Horschel
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes in a three-way tie for 13th or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-5 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 23 Charl Schwartzel
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 15th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-5 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 24 Roberto Castro
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 17th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes in a three-way tie for 5th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 25 Sergio Garcia
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 19th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes in a three-way tie for 5th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes 4th or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 26 Boo Weekley
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 21st* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes 6th* or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes 4th* or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 27 Brendon de Jonge
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 23rd* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-6 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-4 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 28 Luke Donald
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 25th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-6 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-4 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 29 D.A. Points
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 27th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes in a three-way tie for 6th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-4 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    No. 30 Dustin Johnson
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 29th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes in a three-way tie for 6th or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes T-4 or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    *Tie for the FedExCup

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    #621
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    quiet night in dude?!!!


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    #622
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Straight from PGAtour website, not that sad (yet) ;)

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    #623
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    slave1 wrote: »
    No. 23 Charl Schwartzel
    • Wins the TOUR Championship
    And ...
    • No. 1 (Tiger Woods) finishes 15th* or worse
    • No. 2 (Henrik Stenson) finishes T-5 or worse
    • No. 3 (Adam Scott) finishes in a three-way tie for 3rd or worse
    • No. 4 (Zach Johnson) finishes T-3 or worse
    • No. 5 (Matt Kuchar) finishes in a three-way tie for 2nd or worse
    • No. 6 (Steve Stricker) finishes T-2 or worse
    *Tie for the FedExCup

    That's quite possible actually :pac:


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    #624
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Haas won from something like 25th didn't he?


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    #625
    realgolfgeek
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭realgolfgeek


    COME ON TIGER ...

    Hope he blitzes the field this week !


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    #626
    Russman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Russman


    realgolfgeek wrote: »
    COME ON TIGER ...

    Hope he blitzes the field this week !

    Now that's just stirring it up !! :D:D


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    #627
    GS11
    Registered Users Posts: 385 ✭✭GS11


    realgolfgeek wrote: »
    COME ON TIGER ...

    Hope he blitzes the field this week !

    Anyone but Tiger, I'd love if Garcia did it.


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    #628
    SnowDrifts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    Would be great to see Stenson finish off a great season winning the Playoffs although he seemed a bit tired last week. I'd love Garcia to win and let the others battle it out for the overall title.


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    #629
    realgolfgeek
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭realgolfgeek


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    Would be great to see Stenson finish off a great season winning the Playoffs although he seemed a bit tired last week. I'd love Garcia to win and let the others battle it out for the overall title.

    Garcia has shown that he bottles it when in contention.
    With the added pressure of this event, I can't see him winning.


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    #630
    Dolph Starbeam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,536 ✭✭✭Dolph Starbeam


    I really can't see past Tiger. Great form at this course and as we all know he usually converts that into wins.


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    #631
    Russman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Russman


    I think realistically/unfortunately Tiger isn't going to finish outside the top 5 this week, no matter what (unless of course he starts moving his ball again), so anyone who needs him to finish 6th as part of their formula to win the FedEx is pretty much out of it.

    Then again, its not won on paper, and that's why they make them play.
    So here's hoping eh !


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