Introduction of clamping in Charlesland Crescent and Wood

Maudi · 04-05-2013 10:53pm

black and amber wrote: »

Would cutting off water/electricity supplies to the relevent units not be a better option? It would also have an immediate effect, or maybe i'm wrong?

great idea!!hey maybe a big red X painted on the front door of the non payers..and their first born child must be forefeited

Don't Chute! · 04-05-2013 11:12pm

Maudi wrote: »

great idea!!hey maybe a big red X painted on the front door of the non payers..and their first born child must be forefeited

Well people are saying the clamping can't work because it might affect people who have paid so why not do something that will specifically target those that have not. I know that this was brought up in Seabourne.

FirstIn · 04-05-2013 11:52pm

black and amber wrote: »

Well people are saying the clamping can't work because it might affect people who have paid so why not do something that will specifically target those that have not. I know that this was brought up in Seabourne.

What did seabourne do? I'm really keen to know.

Because as of now parking permits seems a reasonable way to get non payers to pay up.

The anti permit posters on this thread have so far failed to come up with any realistic alternative that will compel people to pay.

But I'll give you an alternative , it's the legal route and the only real winners from that will be the legal profession.

Don't Chute! · 04-05-2013 11:58pm

FirstIn wrote: »

What did seabourne do? I'm really keen to know.

Because as of now parking permits seems a reasonable way to get non payers to pay up.

The anti permit posters on this thread have so far failed to come up with any realistic alternative that will compel people to pay.

But I'll give you an alternative , it's the legal route and the only real winners from that will be the legal profession.

It was only suggested, not sure whats actually happening with it yet.

Alan_P · 05-05-2013 10:39am

FirstIn wrote: »

What did seabourne do? I'm really keen to know.

Because as of now parking permits seems a reasonable way to get non payers to pay up.

The anti permit posters on this thread have so far failed to come up with any realistic alternative that will compel people to pay.

But I'll give you an alternative , it's the legal route and the only real winners from that will be the legal profession.

But, perhaps unfortunately, the only real route. Judges in this country, probably justifiably, abhor alternate legal systems. Someone in this thread said earlier that cutting off a clamp would be a criminal offence :- would they like to cite some cases where this has been prosecuted ?

Have they contacted the local Gardai, to see what their response would be to a clamp being cut ?

Because there's a fairly good chance the local Garda would smile,and say it's a civil matter between the clampee and clamping company.

In fact have the management companies implementing this sought any legal advice ? I don't see how you're not at least in breach of the Data Protection acts.

Annasopra · 05-05-2013 10:53am

black and amber wrote: »

Well people are saying the clamping can't work because it might affect people who have paid so why not do something that will specifically target those that have not. I know that this was brought up in Seabourne.

Shutting off electricity and water was not bought up in Seabourne!

matt-dublin · 05-05-2013 2:24pm

FirstIn wrote: »

What did seabourne do? I'm really keen to know.

Because as of now parking permits seems a reasonable way to get non payers to pay up.

The anti permit posters on this thread have so far failed to come up with any realistic alternative that will compel people to pay.

But I'll give you an alternative , it's the legal route and the only real winners from that will be the legal profession.

Seaborne put a fob key system on the main doors and bin sheds. When people don't pay their fees they simply disable the fobs and people can't get access without having to wait for someone to come along and let them in

FirstIn · 05-05-2013 2:43pm

matt-dublin wrote: »

Seaborne put a fob key system on the main doors and bin sheds. When people don't pay their fees they simply disable the fobs and people can't get access without having to wait for someone to come along and let them in

Bl**dy hell. Now folks you thought clamping was bad! Just be glad you're not in Seabourne.

Don't Chute! · 05-05-2013 4:53pm

mango salsa wrote: »

Shutting off electricity and water was not bought up in Seabourne!

Yes it was brought up, the option that is, i didn't say they did it.

Maudi · 05-05-2013 6:38pm

black and amber wrote: »

Would cutting off water/electricity supplies to the relevent units not be a better option? It would also have an immediate effect, or maybe i'm wrong?

i did think you were jesting in you above post..but obviously you arent...

Don't Chute! · 05-05-2013 7:02pm

Maudi wrote: »

i did think you were jesting in you above post..but obviously you arent...

Haha! Nope they definetly brought it up as a possibility in one of the letters they sent around. I would say they had a rethink though!

Maudi · 05-05-2013 9:10pm

black and amber wrote: »

Haha! Nope they definetly brought it up as a possibility in one of the letters they sent around. I would say they had a rethink though!

scary.....

stevestevenson · 06-05-2013 12:50am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't cut off utilities as the contract is between the tenant and the company.

I'm late to this, but can you not just use a debt collection agency for persistent non-payers?

matt-dublin · 06-05-2013 9:50am

stevestevenson wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't cut off utilities as the contract is between the tenant and the company.

I'm late to this, but can you not just use a debt collection agency for persistent non-payers?

Debt collection doesn't work. Trust me, we've tried.

Annasopra · 06-05-2013 9:58am

black and amber wrote: »

Haha! Nope they definetly brought it up as a possibility in one of the letters they sent around. I would say they had a rethink though!

They did not suggest that in a letter. There was never a suggestion for that. Its not true. I suggest checking your facts before spouting this again.

What they are doing is that if you are not paying management fees they charge you 300 euro for the gas/elecricity company to check the metre. They NEVER suggested cutting anything off.

Don't Chute! · 06-05-2013 10:05am

Ok mango, whatever you say.

bido · 06-05-2013 8:12pm

All this might have an effect on selling houses in charlesland:(

matt-dublin · 06-05-2013 8:14pm

bido wrote: »

All this might have an effect on selling houses in charlesland:(

Doubt it

pixbyjohn · 06-05-2013 9:10pm

matt-dublin wrote: »

Doubt it

Are there any selling at the moment or more to the point are there any being bought?

matt-dublin · 06-05-2013 9:55pm

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Are there any selling at the moment or more to the point are there any being bought?

I think there's loads for sale but no signs up. There's only a couple visibly for sale from looking around.

I've heard of a few of the houses going for relatively good money but the apartments aren't selling

bido · 06-05-2013 10:54pm

Mc Govern have sold.120 Charlesland grove.234 Charlesland Wood.12 Seabourne View.41 Seabourn. 97 Charlesland Wood. have been sold recently .:(

FirstIn · 07-05-2013 12:08am

This isn't a thread about sales. It's a thread re collection of mgmt fees.

Will it impact sales. No. How would it? How could a thread re collection of unpaid fees impact on sales? What bullsh1t.

Anyone that has or is going to buy in Charlesland knows there's mgmt fees that must be paid. End of story.

Want to know re sales. Then start another thread.

Tell you what may impact on sales. Reading this thread, seeing the comments and realising that you could end up living beside a bunch of halfwits may put some off.

Annasopra · 07-05-2013 7:05am

FirstIn wrote: »

This isn't a thread about sales. It's a thread re collection of mgmt fees.

Will it impact sales. No. How would it? How could a thread re collection of unpaid fees impact on sales? What bullsh1t.

Anyone that has or is going to buy in Charlesland knows there's mgmt fees that must be paid. End of story.

Want to know re sales. Then start another thread.

Tell you what may impact on sales. Reading this thread, seeing the comments and realising that you could end up living beside a bunch of halfwits may put some off.

In future leave the moderating to the moderators. If you feel the thread is going off topic then you should report a post.

Also this post was reported as it could be a personal attack on everyone who disagrees with you. As you should be aware personal attacks are against the Charter. I am just giving an on thread warning for now but if there are similar comments again then you may get a warning or infraction.

As always feedback about moderation should not be given on thread. If you wish to send feedback pm me.

Jimjay · 07-05-2013 5:59pm

FirstIn wrote: »

This isn't a thread about sales. It's a thread re collection of mgmt fees.

Will it impact sales. No. How would it? How could a thread re collection of unpaid fees impact on sales? What bullsh1t.

Anyone that has or is going to buy in Charlesland knows there's mgmt fees that must be paid. End of story.

Want to know re sales. Then start another thread.

Tell you what may impact on sales. Reading this thread, seeing the comments and realising that you could end up living beside a bunch of halfwits may put some off.

I presume the coment was referring to the introduction of clamping having an effect on sales rather than a thread on a forum.

When we moved in to this home we did not have to ask for permission via txt for guests to visit us. Would we have considered other estates in the area had it been already introduced.... Then my answer would be yes.

FirstIn · 07-05-2013 9:47pm

Jimjay wrote: »

I presume the coment was referring to the introduction of clamping having an effect on sales rather than a thread on a forum.

When we moved in to this home we did not have to ask for permission via txt for guests to visit us. Would we have considered other estates in the area had it been already introduced.... Then my answer would be yes.

You do not have to ask for permission via txt. You will have visitors permits. (Unless you're too miserable to pay the fiver admin charge for these permits)
Lets be clear. You pay your mgmt fees, you cough up the admin charge of a fiver a permit and you remember to put a visitors permit or txt when a visitor comes. Simple.

The benefit of this is the increased collection of mgmt fees. Fees that must be paid.

How people are struggling with this is beyond me.

LMC · 08-05-2013 12:30pm

Ok Im confused, are these permits for the whole of Charlesland?? As Ive received no official notication from Mgt co. The Court have had clampling in operation for a while now, a few probs at the beginining but then we all got the message and now park with consideration for our neighbours and live happily ever after

Jimjay · 13-05-2013 8:20am

Oooh, dont the big blue clamping signs on the lamposts make the estate look real pretty :-)

LEIN · 13-05-2013 9:47am

When did the signs go up?

Didn't notice them yesterday but they seem to be on every second post this morning.

Jimjay · 13-05-2013 10:11am

DD9090 wrote: »

When did the signs go up?

Didn't notice them yesterday but they seem to be on every second post this morning.

I didn't notice them until this morning but they look bloody horrible. I am glad i don't have a lamp post outside my house

Maudi · 13-05-2013 12:01pm

Jimjay wrote: »

I didn't notice them until this morning but they look bloody horrible. I am glad i don't have a lamp post outside my house

the mng company harrassed people about putting up sat dishes..letters of threat etc..people ignored them..then they go and put up these eyesores..????w.t.f???dont they need planning permission?or at least a licence from the power company to interfere with light poles??some sneak put them up in the dark of night (sun11pm)

yellatdave · 13-05-2013 12:24pm

DD9090 wrote: »

When did the signs go up?

Didn't notice them yesterday but they seem to be on every second post this morning.

Last night @ 9 two lads in a Seat Alhambra put them up in haste. Probably had to finish by 12 before they turned back into pumpkins :rolleyes:

FirstIn · 13-05-2013 2:46pm

And the alternative is what? Still no alternatives lads. The mgmt fees have to be paid. It would not come to this if more paid.

It really is that straightforward.

Debt collecting agencies and the legal route, is this what people would prefer? By all accounts these methods don't work too well.

I don't want the inconvenience of all of this. I don't want clamping signs.

But I tell you what I really don't want is paying my mgmt fees when others don't feel they should.

Jimjay · 13-05-2013 3:42pm

FirstIn wrote: »

And the alternative is what? Still no alternatives lads. The mgmt fees have to be paid. It would not come to this if more paid.

It really is that straightforward.

Debt collecting agencies and the legal route, is this what people would prefer? By all accounts these methods don't work too well.

I don't want the inconvenience of all of this. I don't want clamping signs.

But I tell you what I really don't want is paying my mgmt fees when others don't feel they should.

How many people have paid since the notification of clamping?
If the threat of clamping is the only way then it will be a success in collecting fees. Once an acceptable level of fees have been collected will the clamping be called off and those signs taken down until next year?

Maudi · 13-05-2013 4:21pm

how many "units"are in charlesland and how much are the fees per "unit"per year?

Starlifter74 · 13-05-2013 4:48pm

What has that got to do with anything?

Cerco · 13-05-2013 8:26pm

FirstIn wrote: »

And the alternative is what? Still no alternatives lads. The mgmt fees have to be paid. It would not come to this if more paid.

It really is that straightforward.

Debt collecting agencies and the legal route, is this what people would prefer? By all accounts these methods don't work too well.

I don't want the inconvenience of all of this. I don't want clamping signs.

But I tell you what I really don't want is paying my mgmt fees when others don't feel they should.

Have you considered the possibility indeed the probability that some people cannot pay?
Considering Charlesland as a microcosm of the country there are bound to be some who are stretched beyond their ability to pay. So the solution is to clamp them?? Then they will be further in debt. This is akin to the property tax legislation.
What provision has been made for these unfortunates??
Of course there will be the moral hazard issue of those who can but won't pay but imho clamping is not the solution. I will not be personally affected, as I am not resident in Charlesland, but I do feel for anybody who is unfortunate enough to have lost their job or suffered substantial losses. That's my opinion for what it's worth.

matt-dublin · 13-05-2013 10:53pm

Cerco wrote: »

Have you considered the possibility indeed the probability that some people cannot pay?
Considering Charlesland as a microcosm of the country there are bound to be some who are stretched beyond their ability to pay. So the solution is to clamp them?? Then they will be further in debt. This is akin to the property tax legislation.
What provision has been made for these unfortunates??
Of course there will be the moral hazard issue of those who can but won't pay but imho clamping is not the solution. I will not be personally affected, as I am not resident in Charlesland, but I do feel for anybody who is unfortunate enough to have lost their job or suffered substantial losses. That's my opinion for what it's worth.

Have you not read most of the posts on this thread?

There is some who can not pay but there's a lot more who WILL
NOT pay.

People who can't pay make an effort to deal with their debt.

People who will not pay ignore and do not engage the management companies, these people will be targeted not the people who cannot pay and keep in touch with the agents.

FirstIn · 13-05-2013 10:56pm

Cerco wrote: »

Have you considered the possibility indeed the probability that some people cannot pay?
Considering Charlesland as a microcosm of the country there are bound to be some who are stretched beyond their ability to pay. So the solution is to clamp them?? Then they will be further in debt. This is akin to the property tax legislation.
What provision has been made for these unfortunates??
Of course there will be the moral hazard issue of those who can but won't pay but imho clamping is not the solution. I will not be personally affected, as I am not resident in Charlesland, but I do feel for anybody who is unfortunate enough to have lost their job or suffered substantial losses. That's my opinion for what it's worth.

Yes I did consider this. I say so in some of my earlier posts.
If indeed the shortfall can't be made up because most people just can't afford it then ... well then I really don't know. Perhaps someone else does.

I guess the decision to start the parking permits was predicated on the fact there are those that can afford to pay and just don't.

Maudi · 13-05-2013 11:11pm

Maudi wrote: »

how many "units"are in charlesland and how much are the fees per "unit"per year?

well matt?

JanneG · 13-05-2013 11:23pm

Maudi wrote: »

how many "units"are in charlesland and how much are the fees per "unit"per year?

Maudi wrote: »

well matt?

Don't think Matt-Dublin knows the fees for every single unit/home/dwelling or whatever you'd like to call it but there's near enough to 1500 in the whole of Charlesland as that is what you asked...

Maudi · 13-05-2013 11:27pm

JanneG wrote: »

Don't think Matt-Dublin knows the fees for every single unit/home/dwelling or whatever you'd like to call it but there's near enough to 1500 in the whole of Charlesland as that is what you asked...

wow..that many?and what ?the mng companys agents demand ??600 euros on avg?from each unit..?

14-05-2013 12:03am

Maudi wrote: »

600 euros on avg?from each unit..?

I think you will find that the average is far higher than that.

I know of some people in apartments paying over €1,500 (apartments are always higher though).

When you do the sums it is a lot of money!

Chocolate fiend · 14-05-2013 3:29am

We lived in Charlesland Grove, people parked outside our house often for weeks at a time while they used the Aircoach to go on holidays. I would like to see people like that clamped!!

Strongbow10 · 14-05-2013 3:56am

i'm renting in Charlesland, don't imagine I'm on any database or anything like that

I park in a spot outside the appartment, is it possible I will be clamped now?

JanneG · 14-05-2013 7:26am

Strongbow10 wrote: »

i'm renting in Charlesland, don't imagine I'm on any database or anything like that

I park in a spot outside the appartment, is it possible I will be clamped now?

Check with your landlord?

Maudi · 14-05-2013 8:31am

Chocolate fiend wrote: »

We lived in Charlesland Grove, people parked outside our house often for weeks at a time while they used the Aircoach to go on holidays. I would like to see people like that clamped!!

and people who park on the cycle path/path.

matt-dublin · 14-05-2013 8:53am

Maudi wrote: »

well matt?

There's over 1500 apartments, duplexes and houses in the estate including seabourne i think.

management fees range from circa 300 in the houses to 1800 in the apartments.

Annasopra · 14-05-2013 9:59am

Folks - this discussion is specifically about clamping - management fees and the numbers of houses and apartments are really a separate issue for a separate thread - any queries on this send me a pm

pixbyjohn · 14-05-2013 8:00pm

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Strongbow10 · 14-05-2013 8:22pm

it only seems to be the case for Charlesland Court and Wood though

Charlesland Grove doesn't have these signs yet

Introduction of clamping in Charlesland Crescent and Wood

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