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Inviere · 06-08-2018 9:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

All the same as the circumstantial happenings in the books TBH.

The books can be prone to taking things to actually stupid lengths though.

TheValeyard · 06-08-2018 10:11am

Im pretty sure the Destruction of Romulus and Romulan civil war is canon.

Inviere · 06-08-2018 10:28am

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Im pretty sure the Destruction of Romulus and Romulan civil war is canon.

It is. I'm talking about the usual..

"Admiral Chekov meets Seven of Nine at a Voyager reunion party, and together, they learn of a plot to destroy the Federation by a new unknown danger. Admiral Chekov reaches out to his friend Ambassador Sulu, to gather up a secret, unofficial band of rogues who can tackle this new menace in the shadows. Sulu finds Thomas Riker, who has been drifting since escaping from a Cardassian/Dominion internment center. Thomas, togehter with Ro Laren, plead with Will Riker over subspace, to convince B4 to come join in their covert mission. B4, with all of Data's memories and abilities, reasons that to truly succeed, they're going to need help from two people; Worf, who can bring some Klingon Muscle to the table, and Ejeb, who has become an expert in the field of Borg Nanoprobe technology. And so the adventure begins..."

Sad Professor · 06-08-2018 11:33am

TomSweeney wrote: »

No, the point is in a real Star Trek world they wouldn't go on about it.
They wouldn't care, individuals are individuals.

Did they go on about Jordi being black in TNG ? or about Picard being bald ?

But this new Discovery is a crock YES WE GET IT ... she's "Transspecies" with a male name ... stop harping on about it.

Is this spoilers for next season? Will Burnham be surgically altered to get pointy ears and green blood because she identifies as Vulcan?

Also if Burnham is "transspecies" just because she was raised Vulcan, does that mean Worf was too since he was Klingon raised human? They went on about that quite a bit as well as I recall.

pixelburp · 06-08-2018 11:39am

TomSweeney wrote: »

No, the point is in a real Star Trek world they wouldn't go on about it.
They wouldn't care, individuals are individuals.

Did they go on about Jordi being black in TNG ? or about Picard being bald ?

Real Star Trek dealt with those themes ALL THE TIME. Seriously. In fact it was one of the key flaws of Trek was that it wasn't even subtle sometimes - it had all the nuance of a hammer and could be insufferably pompous: whether it was those half-black, half-white guys in Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, those goddamn Space Hippies; or those hilariously pompous episodes in TNG like Riker falling in love with the androgynous person in The Outcast, or when they had to relocate an entire colony of Native Americans :rolleyes: Oh wait, wasn't there also an episode about a planet where women were the super-dominant gender and it ended with Picard & co. lecturing women about tolerance? Good lord you had a whole race of rampant monster capitalists in the Ferenghi - but no, you want to get steamed 'cos they might want to tell a story about sexual discrimination. We could spend pages talking about Trek episodes that were obvious, crude allegories about sexual/racial/identity politics - it was there. It was gave Trek's own identity.

Oh sure, the Federation wasn't concerned with such things, but again - that was the point. Stories were written around Random Planet #424, that had some obvious, plainly allegorical connection with modern politics, whereby Trek crew could learn and teach these people about tolerance, acceptance - whatever. Sometimes Random Planet #424 was a planet of 1930s mobsters, so it was a mixed bag

It's totally disingenuous to just ignore Trek's obvious, well storied history about telling tales of a Utopian society, where that society frequently got to compare itself against other civilisations. It's kinda the key point of drama there - conflict. Trek wouldn't have got very far if it was 50 minute episodes of people sitting around the room talking about how much they like Early Grey. Hot.

And that's been the point of Science Fiction since the days of Mary Shelley: holding up the Human Condition through the prism of some fictional conceit beyond the realms of current science. If you think SciFi writers haven't used those conceits to tell tales of discrimination or politics, then tbh you're being a little naive.

TomSweeney wrote: »

But this new Discovery is a crock YES WE GET IT ... she's "Transspecies" with a male name ... stop harping on about it.

Dude, you're just making stuff up now: that literally NEVER came up in Discovery, not her name or even whatever 'transspecies' is supposed to be. You're just tilting at windmills here

She was an adopted child of a Vulcan and all that came up from a dramatic point of view was the obvious human / vulcan conflict that came up. Burnham lived a life suppressing her very human emotions and if there was an arc in Discovery, it was about her learning to be human again.

And as for the name: that was a leftover from original show helmer Bryan Fuller, who has a writing eccentricity of giving his female character male names. That's it.

noodler · 06-08-2018 12:25pm

Think most will be disappointed.

Sounds like a low budget character driven idea taking place almost entirely on one planet.

Inviere · 06-08-2018 12:30pm

noodler wrote: »

Sounds like a low budget character driven idea taking place almost entirely on one planet.

How do you infer that? There's virtually nothing been announced other than "We'll see Jean Luc Picard once again"...

Optimus Prime · 06-08-2018 12:31pm

Haha there is absolutely no way to tell from that announcement what it’s going to be. But I can’t wait for it. Even Judging from the activity of this thread alone more people seem excited about it than discovery. I’m just happy we are finally getting a series that isn’t a prequel.

noodler · 06-08-2018 12:54pm

Inviere wrote: »

How do you infer that? There's virtually nothing been announced other than "We'll see Jean Luc Picard once again"...

Probably the same way people infer the possibility of intergalactic developments and cameos.

The fat the press release was so focused on the story of Picard or his "next chapter" rather than the show itself makes me think it tho tbh.

Sad Professor · 06-08-2018 1:56pm

noodler wrote: »

Probably the same way people infer the possibility of intergalactic developments and cameos.

The fat the press release was so focused on the story of Picard or his "next chapter" rather than the show itself makes me think it tho tbh.

As I suggested earlier, that may be a negotiating tactic to stop the other actors looking for too much money because they think they are needed. It means the studio can enter salary negotiations on the basis of "this story is just about Picard, we don't really need you".

06-08-2018 6:06pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Dude, you're just making stuff up now: that literally NEVER came up in Discovery, not her name.

the only thing i remember is tilly going 'oh the only woman i know of called michael is ... ha... oh wait'

Someone on reddit was saying they hope he doesn't get luke skywalker'd, so i hope that as well!
having wes back would be great. watching tng it's so sad the amount of SHUT UP, WESLEY

TheValeyard · 06-08-2018 6:07pm

bluewolf wrote: »

the only thing i remember is tilly going 'oh the only woman i know of called michael is ... ha... oh wait'

Someone on reddit was saying they hope he doesn't get luke skywalker'd, so i hope that as well!
having wes back would be great. watching tng it's so sad the amount of SHUT UP, WESLEY

I agree, bring back Wesley.

His funeral is long overdue

Inviere · 06-08-2018 6:09pm

Wesley is grand, I never got the outright hatred for the character.

pixelburp · 06-08-2018 6:20pm

bluewolf wrote: »

the only thing i remember is tilly going 'oh the only woman i know of called michael is ... ha... oh wait'

Someone on reddit was saying they hope he doesn't get luke skywalker'd, so i hope that as well!
having wes back would be great. watching tng it's so sad the amount of SHUT UP, WESLEY

Indeed, and even then it was less than a statement than a moment of "oh, that's an unusual name ... whoops". Season 1 by all accounts was the least overtly socially / politically versed Trek show yet when you get down to it - bar one fleeting "make the empire great again" comment in the parallel universe, and that was a bit of a cartoon.

Anyway. Picard. I myself worry this could be Star Trek: Logan rather than the Last Jedi: at least Luke went out standing up, some amount of dignity restored, not the miserable, nihilistic capper the Wolverine XMen era got. God that film was brilliant but soul crushing.

Inviere · 06-08-2018 6:42pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Indeed, and even then it was less than a statement than a moment of "oh, that's an unusual name ... whoops". Season 1 by all accounts was the least overtly socially / politically versed Trek show yet when you get down to it - bar one fleeting "make the empire great again" comment in the parallel universe, and that was a bit of a cartoon.

I think the general zeitgeist has changed too, which is contributing to a general 'moralistic fatigue' of late. Back when Trek was in its prime (TNG/DS9), the general and overarching tone of those shows was to quite simply, "do the right thing." Through its exploration of moral dilemmas, the viewers watched as someone like Picard wrestled with the ins and outs of a decision, weighed up its consequences, battled his own morals at times, and through that storytelling, we all took something from it. There was little else on TV at the time that I can recall, which showed or taught us how and why to do the right thing. Ultimately, we lapped it up, and many of us genuinely took lessons from those shows, and those lessons contributed to us growing, learning, and bettering ourselves.

Today it's different. The Internet has given loud voices to those who would be silenced, and while this is a great thing, it's also given voices to those who would twist values like equality, and rather than endeavor to set the scales of equality even, they seek to tip the scales from one side to the other. If anything, society can at times feel more fractured today than it did in times recently past with all the various groups and splinter groups shouting about how bad straight white males are. Therefore when a show like Discovery comes along, and tries to do what ALL of its successors have done, people get the slightest whiff of politics from it, and immediately think "aw here we go, ramming more of this crap down our throats."

It's a shame really, because Discovery has done nothing that previous shows haven't done. I think we're hyper sensitive to it these days though, and sadly, many will have had their fill of media giving us an angle for further equality.

Goodshape · 06-08-2018 7:10pm

If I were to guess now, I'd say it's an Starfleet academy show with Picard in a Dumbledore sort of role - a wise, old, moral compass for the young adventurers.

It would suit Stewart's age (although damn he looks almost as young as ever in that announcement video), would lend some class, dignity, and the maximum of fan-service to the already rumoured academy series, and basically kills two birds with one stone - PStew for the old guard, cadets for the younger fans.

But that's, obviously, a guess based on not much at all.

Gbear · 06-08-2018 8:08pm

One good thing about Patrick Stewart being quasi-immortal is that you would expect people to live a lot longer in the 24th/5th century.

"80 is the new 40"

Sad Professor · 06-08-2018 8:18pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Indeed, and even then it was less than a statement than a moment of "oh, that's an unusual name ... whoops". Season 1 by all accounts was the least overtly socially / politically versed Trek show yet when you get down to it - bar one fleeting "make the empire great again" comment in the parallel universe, and that was a bit of a cartoon.

This is so true. Tbh if giving a female character a male name and having a gay couple is Discovery's big provocative political statement, then it's extremely weak compared to TOS, which in the middle of the Cold War and the civil rights movement had a black woman, a Japanese man and Russian on the bridge and implied they were all part of an egalitarian socialist society.

By 2018's standards, Discovery's political values are standard centrist-liberal stuff that even centre-right politicians profess. That's actually my big problem with the show. They've totally rowed back on the radical utopian ideas.

AMKC · 06-08-2018 8:26pm

Just a couple of quotes from CBS All Access president Marc DeBevoise and executive vice president of original content Julie McNamara during an extended interview with Deadline as they joined Stapf to chat about ongoing and future projects for the streaming network. However, most of the questions surrounded CBS All Access’ growing Star Trek franchise. On the heels of the announcement that Sir Patrick Stewart would be reprising his role as Captain Jean-Luc Picard in a new standalone series—as well as the news of Star Trek: Short Treks, the Discovery shorts that will air before the next full season--the executives shared that more Star Trek projects are on the horizon.

However, one thing that isn’t being considered (for the time being) is another series based on a former Trek franchise. As of now, the only one in development is the one featuring Stewart, which will take place 20 years after the events of Star Trek: Nemesis, the final film in The Next Generation series. During the interview, Stapf shared how they got Stewart to sign on for the show, considering how he’s previously said he wasn’t interested in returning to the character unless it was for a Quentin Tarantino-led Star Trek project:

So it will one a new show maybe on show based on the academy as well or maybe one with Picard and him doing something else just incase people think it might be TNG part 2.

The whole interview is here,

https://io9.gizmodo.com/cbs-all-access-is-laying-the-groundwork-for-non-stop-st-1828131470

AtomicHorror · 07-08-2018 12:44pm

The best concept for a Picard show that I can think of is one covering his diplomatic career as Admiral or Ambassador. Picard and a small core staff, always on the move, mission arcs over several episodes, different planets, different host ships. Lots of room for thoughtful stories as well as action and drama. There might be an Enterprise arc, and cameos from familiar faces, but not restricting the story to one planet or station. I can't imagine Picard would ever retire to stay in one place anyway.

I do wonder how they'll address some of the consequences of the Discovery aesthetic though. The instant Klingons come into a story they have some tricky story and production design decisions to make, one way or the other.

AMKC wrote: »

So it will one a new show maybe on show based on the academy as well or maybe one with Picard and him doing something else just incase people think it might be TNG part 2. [/url]

The Starfleet Academy film/TV show concept is one of those ones that surfaces almost like clockwork. I hate it.

It feels like some needy attempt to pull an imagined sci-fi/highschool drama crossover audience. It makes me cringe to think of Star Trek trying to bottle the essence of Dawson's Creek, The OC or One Tree Hill (to cite the contemporaries of the various and many times this completely dumb idea has come around), or whatever 2018s closest equivalent would be.

The early rumors about ST2009 had a strong Academy element to the story and I'd really hoped they'd got it out of their system with that one.

To think so many fans scream and shout about Discovery but seem so chill with this abomination of a concept.

Have I said it enough? I don't like the idea.

I can't say it enough. No. Bad. Awful. Yuck.

AtomicHorror · 07-08-2018 12:52pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

By 2018's standards, Discovery's political values are standard centrist-liberal stuff that even centre-right politicians profess. That's actually my big problem with the show. They've totally rowed back on the radical utopian ideas.

And yet- in the US most especially- it seems liberal society is rowing back, so I do wonder if Discovery will seem as meek in context when we look in retrospect.

I agree though, they're quite late to the game with matter-of-fact depiction of LGB people (but notably not TI). They've not really touched the trans question except metaphorically (maybe). For such a mainstream and big budget show, I guess that topic would take a lot of courage. It would also absolutely trigger the Star Trek fans who missed the subtext when they were kids. They should do it.

Inviere · 07-08-2018 1:02pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

The best concept for a Picard show that I can think of is one covering his diplomatic career as Admiral or Ambassador. Picard and a small core staff, always on the move, mission arcs over several episodes, different planets, different host ships. Lots of room for thoughtful stories as well as action and drama. There might be an Enterprise arc, and cameos from familiar faces, but not restricting the story to one planet or station. I can't imagine Picard would ever retire to stay in one place anyway.

I can't see it being like that at all. I feel the scope is going to be very small, so small in fact that Jean Luc won't/can't be an Admiral or Ambassador...it's too predictable. I feel it'll very much mirror Kirk's story in Generations....a legendary figure, but out of time, not up to much, except for one final adventure (for Kirk it was a mere fist fight with a man on a bridge...but once again, he 'made a difference.')

Picard's journey will be similar I feel...it might open with him tending to the family vineyard in La Barre. From there, it'll give some backstory, maybe Picard settled down with a wife & kids, the wife has since passed on, & the kids have flown the coup. He'll be a lonely man, but proud of his kids, and a man who very much misses his wife. From there, we'll see a cameo, Riker possibly, or Worf...and after some resistance from Picard, he'll be drawn into a final adventure, whatever that may be.

Spear · 07-08-2018 1:55pm

A few random thoughts.

There's no scripts done, that's been admitted openly.

But there must be a pitch or underlying concept strong enough to get Stewart back on board. Now, the pitch could have consisted of a shedload of money. CBS want year round Trek to sell their streaming service that no-one actually wants, so throwing money at him is very possible. But I'd like to think that Stewart is both old enough and successful enough that he wouldn't do it for the money.

At 78 he's not likely to commit to a lengthy series either.

So I'm inclined to suspect the pitch that got him to agree to this, is one that concludes the character of Picard, and we'll see him die at the end. And as previously suggested earlier in the thread, we're getting Logan in Space.

AtomicHorror · 07-08-2018 1:59pm

Inviere wrote: »

I can't see it being like that at all. I feel the scope is going to be very small, so small in fact that Jean Luc won't/can't be an Admiral or Ambassador...it's too predictable. I feel it'll very much mirror Kirk's story in Generations....a legendary figure, but out of time, not up to much, except for one final adventure (for Kirk it was a mere fist fight with a man on a bridge...but once again, he 'made a difference.')

Picard's journey will be similar I feel...it might open with him tending to the family vineyard in La Barre. From there, it'll give some backstory, maybe Picard settled down with a wife & kids, the wife has since passed on, & the kids have flown the coup. He'll be a lonely man, but proud of his kids, and a man who very much misses his wife. From there, we'll see a cameo, Riker possibly, or Worf...and after some resistance from Picard, he'll be drawn into a final adventure, whatever that may be.

You get the sense maybe it'll be a short-run show? One story over a handful of parts? What leads you to that thinking? Just Stewart's age?

My premise probably pretty predictable, but I think "back from retirement for one last adventure" is equally so

07-08-2018 2:01pm

Spear wrote: »

A few random thoughts.

There's no scripts done, that's been admitted openly.

But there must be a pitch or underlying concept strong enough to get Stewart back on board. Now, the pitch could have consisted of a shedload of money. CBS want year round Trek to sell their streaming service that no-one actually wants, so throwing money at him is very possible. But I'd like to think that Stewart is both old enough and successful enough that he wouldn't do it for the money.

At 78 he's not likely to commit to a lengthy series either.

So I'm inclined to suspect the pitch that got him to agree to this, is one that concludes the character of Picard, and we'll see him die at the end. And as previously suggested earlier in the thread, we're getting Logan in Space.

He'll become Q at the end

Spear · 07-08-2018 2:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He'll become Q at the end

I kinda like that, things coming full circle. But Sisko beat him to godhood already.

Inviere · 07-08-2018 2:30pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

You get the sense maybe it'll be a short-run show? One story over a handful of parts? What leads you to that thinking? Just Stewart's age?

I feel it'll be one story over a handful of episodes yes, because they're not seeking to reboot TNG...it's simply and likely the conclusion to Picards story. It's not going to be a dragged out season because it doesn't need to be. It'll be its own story, short, sweet, and hopefully very rich in quality.

My premise probably pretty predictable, but I think "back from retirement for one last adventure" is equally so

Oh they're both predictable, that's for sure

I think the 'one last adventure' one is more likely though, as otherwise, what's the point of revisiting the character at all?

fixXxer · 07-08-2018 3:46pm

Evade wrote: »

It is big but they have communicators. If a retired Picard needed something he could call in a favour from Admiral Riker. If he's teaching at the Academy with O'Brien should they just ghost each other in the hallways?

Other cameos would make less sense. There's no reason for Picard to call on say Seven or Dax. Then again who knows what happened in the preceding 20 years? Sisko could even be alive again.

You mean Sisko's wife, right?

TheValeyard · 07-08-2018 3:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He'll become Q at the end

Or he is already Q.

Maybe Q is humanity in the far, far future.

BrookieD · 07-08-2018 7:01pm

Mirror universe setting with Emperor Picard - nah no hope

would love to see him little harder edge admiral after a series of battles with a run down stretched federation, will be a great excuse to see NCC 1701-G used as the flagship in rebuilding the links with foes in the past against common enemy.

AMKC · 07-08-2018 8:00pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Or he is already Q.

Maybe Q is humanity in the far, far future.

I have seen theories about the Q being that alright after we have all got super smart and ascended maybe.

BrookieD wrote: »

Mirror universe setting with Emperor Picard - nah no hope

would love to see him little harder edge admiral after a series of battles with a run down stretched federation, will be a great excuse to see NCC 1701-G used as the flagship in rebuilding the links with foes in the past against common enemy.

Surely it would be the Enterprise NCC-1701-F if we do see one at all.

TheValeyard · 07-08-2018 8:52pm

I think we should give ships named Enterprise a rest.

How about Stargazer NCC 2893-A

AtomicHorror · 07-08-2018 10:34pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

I think we should give ships named Enterprise a rest.

How about Stargazer NCC 2893-A

We haven't had a new Enterprise on TV in 13 years!

TBH, I wouldn't be entirely happy unless they contrived to resurrect Ent-D. It would require some sort of abominably crappy sci-fi plot device, but I just don't care.

TheValeyard · 08-08-2018 7:43am

AtomicHorror wrote: »

We haven't had a new Enterprise on TV in 13 years!

TBH, I wouldn't be entirely happy unless they contrived to resurrect Ent-D. It would require some sort of abominably crappy sci-fi plot device, but I just don't care.

Ah. Ive been playing STO. Been dealing with thr Enterprise F and J.

Also we have a remodeled Enterprise for Discovery and the Sports car version in the JJverse

AtomicHorror · 08-08-2018 9:19am

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Ah. Ive been playing STO. Been dealing with thr Enterprise F and J.

I can only see canon. The first part of your post seems to have been redacted.

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Also we have a remodeled Enterprise for Discovery and the Sports car version in the JJverse

I have to squint to see the second bit there... something about a sports car.

Anyway yes, a few cosmetic enhancements on Discovery don't make for a new Enterprise. I want a shiny new Enterprise with a shiny new crew. One so diverse and right-on that their very existence causes a tsunami of the shrill SJWSnowflakeLibtard commentary that nourishes my soul.

Star Trek: Picard could act as a nice backdoor pilot for a new flagship series.

GM228 · 08-08-2018 10:35am

Great news, whilst so many plots and cameos are an option the one cameo I would really like to see is John de Lancie, for me that would be the icing on the cake, even in his old age Picard being tormented by Q.....

Didn't Q once say he never got tired of playing games.

Inviere · 08-08-2018 10:57am

GM228 wrote: »

Didn't Q once say he never got tired of playing games.

And that, "the trial never ends..."

BrookieD · 08-08-2018 7:23pm

AMKC wrote: »

Surely it would be the Enterprise NCC-1701-F if we do see one at all.

The way I see it E was mangled 20 years ago, even if the Saucer section was repaired - launch F after that and you have a 10yr old ship with zero action is ok however flag bearer of the federation will have serious milage under her - so G would be the next best option, and if they try push J onto us I will eat someone's head.

Evade · 08-08-2018 7:31pm

BrookieD wrote: »

The way I see it E was mangled 20 years ago, even if the Saucer section was repaired - launch F after that and you have a 10yr old ship with zero action is ok however flag bearer of the federation will have serious milage under her - so G would be the next best option, and if they try push J onto us I will eat someone's head.

There's always special dispensation from the Chief of Starfleet Operations to consider.

FGR · 08-08-2018 8:09pm

Evade wrote: »

There's always special dispensation from the Chief of Starfleet Operations to consider.

Yes! How about we consider the USS Yamato. Oh wait..

I know! How about the USS Odyssey..:pac::pac:

I do like the idea of something like the USS Challenger, Venture or even the Galaxy being brought into view. Mem Alpha says theyre active following the Dominion War.

Kirby · 08-08-2018 9:05pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Unless they use that expensive de-aging CGI seen in some Marvel films, Data / B4 is pretty much out of the question unfortunately.

I always hear people say this and I don't get it. Spiner has said so himself but I think he just says that because he doesn't want to go back to the character.

Why could you not just have an aged Data? You could explain it away in a 30 second scene.

We are on the bridge. Data comes onto the bridge with a massive white beard and wrinkled face looking about 120. Picard or whoever looks aghast at him and asks what is going on. Data explains he is experimenting with aging his skin in his quest to become more human. Picard says he admires the effort but suggests he dial it back a bit.

Boom. Done. A chuckle is had and in the following scene, we see Data as Brent Spiner is now. A bit fatter and wrinklier but it has logical consistency within the universe being explained as Data wanting to "age" like the rest of the crew.

Honestly if I can come up with that in 30 seconds, imagine what an actually talented writer could do. There is NOTHING stopping Data from returning only Brent Spiner's desire to do so.

08-08-2018 11:39pm

Kirby wrote: »

I always hear people say this and I don't get it. Spiner has said so himself but I think he just says that because he doesn't want to go back to the character.

Why could you not just have an aged Data? You could explain it away in a 30 second scene.

We are on the bridge. Data comes onto the bridge with a massive white beard and wrinkled face looking about 120. Picard or whoever looks aghast at him and asks what is going on. Data explains he is experimenting with aging his skin in his quest to become more human. Picard says he admires the effort but suggests he dial it back a bit.

Boom. Done. A chuckle is had and in the following scene, we see Data as Brent Spiner is now. A bit fatter and wrinklier but it has logical consistency within the universe being explained as Data wanting to "age" like the rest of the crew.

Honestly if I can come up with that in 30 seconds, imagine what an actually talented writer could do. There is NOTHING stopping Data from returning only Brent Spiner's desire to do so.

Talented??
Kurtzman

Cookie_Monster · 08-08-2018 11:46pm

While not strictly canon, Enterprise F was launched in 2409.

AMKC wrote: »

Surely it would be the Enterprise NCC-1701-F if we do see one at all.

pixelburp · 08-08-2018 11:49pm

^^ Holy god that thing's ugly. Why are so many TNG era vessels so lumpy and messy? But then I thought the USS Reliant was a beautiful design, what do I know

Cookie_Monster · 09-08-2018 12:05am

That's one of the prettier STO ships, there are some real shockers

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Evade · 09-08-2018 12:07am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

That's one of the prettier STO ships, there are some real shockers

And I thought the Crossfield class looked bad.

Kiith · 09-08-2018 9:01am

Star Trek Online's idea of ships was take any nacelle from any ship, and stick if on any saucer from any ship. Add some stripes, and boom...new ship. To be fair, some of them were actually pretty cool.

As for this, not sure where they should go with it tbh. All Good Things was the perfect send off for the show, but the films definitely didn't do a huge amount. No reason why Picard woulnd't still be a captaining a ship either, if he chose to remain on one. I'm pretty sure he can do whatever the hell he wants, given how respected he was.

Have a new ship, with a new crew, but have Picard be the Admiral Nechayev type character. Still in command of a ship, but not the primary focus?

pixelburp · 09-08-2018 9:26am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

That's one of the prettier STO ships, there are some real shockers

It actually looks like a copyright-skirting ship, made by some thankless CGI house trying their best to knock out a ST clone without getting sued, or any design concepts to work off.

You personal mileage may vary with the USS Discovery, but at least that class of ship feels like it was actually designed and crafted.

Kiith · 09-08-2018 9:33am

pixelburp wrote: »

You personal mileage may vary with the USS Discovery, but at least that class of ship feels like it was actually designed and crafted.

The Discovery looks like it was designed by someone with no depth perception. It's a horrible looking ship.

Definitely can't be considered copied from anywhere though :pac:

Cookie_Monster · 09-08-2018 9:55am

pixelburp wrote: »

It actually looks like a copyright-skirting ship, made by some thankless CGI house trying their best to knock out a ST clone without getting sued, or any design concepts to work off.
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funny thing is the game has full copyright too and the above is supposed to just be an evolution of steamrunner (which is in there too)

check out the ugly:
https://www.google.com/search?q=sto+fed+ships&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj92JK9y9_cAhXFVLwKHfeFDPwQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=938

/sidetrack

Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [ POSSIBLE SPOILERS ]