J-Visa for the USA!

Kanney · 25-09-2008 4:06pm

To me it seems that its for anyone who finished Leaving Cert, or 12 months from graduating college. Also I'm hearing from different places that they will be fairly flexible.

Bass Cadet · 25-09-2008 4:08pm

CiaranC wrote: »

How is it promising? Its for people within 12 months of leaving school or graduating as far as I can see...

yep, I don't see how anyone can see it as promising if you havn't

A. graduated or will graduate from college within the last/next 12 months

B. Graduated from school within the last 12 months

C. Have just finished a trade apprentiship

by that reckoning there is no way 20,000 visas will be taken up. they still havn't announced an age but I've written this off now. I'm probably still apply and expect to be rejected though. You'd think the w@nkers would release a proper statement on application rules without us all have to 2nd guess them

Kanney · 25-09-2008 4:11pm

But it doesnt say 12 months from secondary school, just 12 months from graduation, I think some are nit picking now.
It says post-secondary, so it could be anytime, relatively. Not saying 35 onwards, but like early 20's I'd say wont have a prob lem.

CiaranC · 25-09-2008 4:15pm

Reading it again, its obviously for students or recent graduates only.

The United States and Ireland soon will begin to implement a Twelve-Month Intern Work and Travel Pilot Program for post-secondary students or young people within twelve months of graduation.

A post secondary student is someone currently in post-secondary education. Young people within 12 months of graduation obviously means you can apply up to 12 months after you leave post-secondary education.

So how is this anything new? Is it a longer stay than the J-1? How long can you stay on a J-1?

There also will be reciprocal opportunities for young people from the United States to travel to Ireland. This will allow students from both countries to participate in a variety of internships, and to travel independently within the United States and Ireland.

Its for students. End of.

Kanney · 25-09-2008 4:22pm

I completed my leaving cert in 2005, I'm confident I'll get it.

CiaranC · 25-09-2008 4:24pm

Howd you do in English? :P

Bass Cadet · 25-09-2008 4:24pm

Kanney wrote: »

It says post-secondary, so it could be anytime, relatively.

No, not anytime...it says "within 12 months of graduation"

The United States and Ireland soon will begin to implement a Twelve-Month Intern Work and Travel Pilot Program for post-secondary students or young people within twelve months of graduation. The new program is an innovative exchange program that will allow thousands of young people from Ireland to enter the United States for a period of twelve months on a J-1 exchange visitor visa.

It's basically an extension of the J-1 (it even says as much) that also allows for secondary school leavers and people just qualified from trades...WITHIN 12 MONTHS...From the statement issued, nothing else can be assumed

CiaranC · 25-09-2008 4:33pm

Bass Cadet wrote: »

It's basically an extension of the J-1 (it even says as much) that also allows for secondary school leavers and people just qualified from trades...WITHIN 12 MONTHS...From the statement issued, nothing else can be assumed

Its a bit ambiguos alright. I read it as applying to current post-secondary students or recent post-secondary graduates only.

Either way someone who has only a leaving cert from 2005 doesnt qualify.

Kanney · 25-09-2008 4:39pm

What do ye think if you're applying to start study in sept 09.

koHd · 25-09-2008 10:11pm

I wonder if it would allow a post leaving cert graduate non student to begin an apprenticeship or internship in the US, without being currently involved in one here at home?

Kanney · 25-09-2008 11:32pm

I think they're gonna be flexible. As much as I respect some comments in this thread, I disagree with some and await further information about this.

Colmfatcamp · 26-09-2008 4:28pm

Kanney wrote: »

I think they're gonna be flexible.

There is absolutely nothing flexible about United States immigration laws these days. By all means apply and hope that you will get in mate, but prepare to be disappointed because there's absolutely nothing to suggest that you will make it in on this visa unless you meet the criteria which was spelled out earlier. I'm sure we'll find out over the course of the next couple of months exactly what the story will be, but ultimately it's not good I think.

This visa is a joke in my opinion. It is good that it offers tradespersons and post-leaving cert students the opportunity to get a taste, but otherwise it might as well be a needless extension of the J1 visa and I will be surprised if it gets the take up of the 20,000 visas per year. I am absolutely gutted as it all sounded so promising from initial reports.

CC

Bass Cadet · 26-09-2008 4:36pm

Colmfatcamp wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing flexible about United States immigration laws these days. By all means apply and hope that you will get in mate, but prepare to be disappointed because there's absolutely nothing to suggest that you will make it in on this visa unless you meet the criteria which was spelled out earlier. I'm sure we'll find out over the course of the next couple of months exactly what the story will be, but ultimately it's not good I think.

This visa is a joke in my opinion. It is good that it offers tradespersons and post-leaving cert students the opportunity to get a taste, but otherwise it might as well be a needless extension of the J1 visa and I will be surprised if it gets the take up of the 20,000 visas per year. I am absolutely gutted as it all sounded so promising from initial reports.

CC

Thats it in a nutshell. Anyone who thinks visa application to the states can be in anyway 'flexible' is deluded...I've written this visa off now aswell. Will still apply just to see what the rejection letter says...Very disappointed to say the least after the initial optimism. Ah well...looks like it'll have to be done the hard way

Bass Cadet · 29-09-2008 11:49am

A little bit more information here saying there is no age restriction but you have to be enrolled in some sort of post-secondary level course or 'recently' (I presume 12 months) qualified...

http://www.irishabroad.com/news/irish-voice/news/Articles/pilot-visa-deal240908.aspx

U.S.-Irish Agree Pilot Visa Deal
September 25, 2008

By Debbie McGoldrick

IN an effort to encourage young Irish people to live and work in the U.S. on a temporary basis, the Irish and U.S. governments have reached a deal to initiate a new pilot visa program that will allow for up to 20,000 Irish citizens to legally reside here for a period of one year.

Details about the new program, which is expected to commence early in 2009, will be finalized this week in Washington, D.C. Irish Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheal Martin is scheduled to meet with Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte on Wednesday to review the program’s finer details and procedures. A formal announcement about the new program is expected from both governments in the coming days.

The program will be an expanded version of the current J visa program, which allows for students to work legally in the U.S. for a period of four months. J visas have been popular with Irish students for many years seeking work experience in the U.S. for the summer months.

The new pilot program is exclusive to natives of Ireland. It will last for a period of at least five years, with up to 20,000 visas available for each of the years. If the program is successful it is expected that the State Department will expand it to include natives of other countries.

The program also includes a reciprocal component which will allow 5,000 American citizens to legally reside and work in Ireland each year.

Those applying for a new J visa will have to either be enrolled in a university or vocational course of study, or recently completed a course of study. There is no age restriction for applicants, but because of the educational/vocational requirement it is expected that the majority of visas will be taken by younger Irish citizens.

Visa holders will be allowed to work legally in the U.S. for one year. A prior job offer in the U.S. is not required. The J visa is not renewable, and the holder will be expected to leave the U.S. when the visa expires.

A source told the Irish Voice that the Irish government is pleased to have been selected as the first country to participate in the State Department’s pilot program. The visas will ensure a new flow of legal Irish citizens into the U.S., which had not been happening due to existing U.S. restrictions and the availability of visas for the Irish to other countries such as Australia.

The Irish government, however, insists it has not given up on securing legal status for the undocumented Irish here.

“We have to take up what we can, when we can,” said the source. “That doesn’t mean in any way that we’ve stopped pushing for the undocumented.”

The Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform (ILIR) sees the new program as an important first step towards permanently opening the doors of the U.S. to the Irish, and regularizing the status of the undocumented.

“We welcome the news that up to 20,000 visas a year will be available for Irish to come to America on one year work programs. We are delighted Taoiseach Brian Cowen and the government has followed through on the commitment to sustain and create new links between Ireland and America which are more vital than ever in this global economy,” said ILIR chairman Niall O’Dowd.

“We look forward in the near future to working with the Irish government on resolving the issue of the Irish undocumented and creating a reciprocal work visa exchange program with the United States as other countries have done. The doors to America are open once again to a new generation of Irish.”

A spokeswoman for the State Department told the Irish Voice that a statement about the new program would be issued after it has been finalized.

Kanney · 29-09-2008 1:35pm

When they say enrolled, will it count if you have applied to a college via the cao to start study in sept 09?

koHd · 29-09-2008 1:37pm

That sounds promising. I recently finished a FETAC course in May of this year. I hope that gives me a chance.

silja · 29-09-2008 9:09pm

Kanney wrote: »

When they say enrolled, will it count if you have applied to a college via the cao to start study in sept 09?

I doubt it (anyone can apply), unless you have been guaranteed a place.

Resi12 · 01-10-2008 3:31pm

Im slightly confused sorry if i'm asking a question asked 200 times already but do you need College education?
And how old is "young" as in "young people", Im 17 and did my LC this year? Does this mean I can apply and if so are my chances good? I hope so as I always wanted to be an actor!!! And this could be my Break-Through!!:D:D

Kanney · 01-10-2008 9:12pm

Maybe you'll have to be 18, when do you turn? Because if its not available until next jan feb, maybe you'll have turned. Being an 18 yr old in the states tho.... No Drinking for you

Colmfatcamp · 02-10-2008 9:11am

Resi12 wrote: »

Im slightly confused sorry if i'm asking a question asked 200 times already but do you need College education?
And how old is "young" as in "young people", Im 17 and did my LC this year? Does this mean I can apply and if so are my chances good? I hope so as I always wanted to be an actor!!! And this could be my Break-Through!!:D:D

Details are still relatively sketchy, we are unlikely to find out the exact details until they are ready to start shifting those visas (presumably through USIT and the likes) but it does appear that you must be intending on college eduction or pursuing a trade, and I am sure you'll have to be at least 18.

Resi12 · 02-10-2008 6:23pm

Kanney wrote: »

Maybe you'll have to be 18, when do you turn? Because if its not available until next jan feb, maybe you'll have turned. Being an 18 yr old in the states tho.... No Drinking for you

Well im 18 this Feb coming? Is that ok!? I really hope so I despise this country, ok a bit harsh but a break would be so nice now

Kanney · 03-10-2008 1:13pm

Colmfatcamp wrote: »

Details are still relatively sketchy, we are unlikely to find out the exact details until they are ready to start shifting those visas (presumably through USIT and the likes) but it does appear that you must be intending on college eduction or pursuing a trade, and I am sure you'll have to be at least 18.

How will they know if you are intedning on a college education? Just through an interview and you telling them?

silja · 03-10-2008 1:43pm

Resi12 wrote: »

Well im 18 this Feb coming? Is that ok!? I really hope so I despise this country, ok a bit harsh but a break would be so nice now

IF there is a minimum age of 18, all you'd need to do is apply after your birthday in February and you'll be fine. From the current wording ("expected to commence early in 2009"), it looks like the program will only start in spring next year anyway.

Kanney wrote: »

How will they know if you are intedning on a college education? Just through an interview and you telling them?

It doesn't say those intending on college are eligible in the current press release, only those already enrolled. Specifically, it says "Those applying for a new J visa will have to either be enrolled in a university or vocational course of study, or recently completed a course of study."

If you are correct and those intending to study are eligible (and I really think you are clutching at straws here), I would think you'd need, at the very least, an acceptance/ deferment letter from a third level institution so they know you are definitely going.

[Jackass] · 04-10-2008 7:58pm

I finished a Diploma in DBS this year...I hope that counts!!

Shelliestar · 06-10-2008 11:52am

this visa is rediculous, apart from just helping a bunch of people who have finished their leaving its nothing new. Students can already do a J1 and those who have graduated can already do a 12 or 18 month internship J visa (its on the usit site). So I dont see how limiting it to within 12 months of graduation is gonna widen this net, apart form those with trade qualifications.

I finished college in 07 and technically graduated in Nov last year so they might stretch it but im doubtful. Maybe applying for another course on the CAO this year and deferring it might make me elligable but I guess we'll have to wait and see. There'll probably be more info in the next month and I'd say USIT will hop on it with a nice 'processing' fee.

Colmfatcamp · 10-10-2008 12:20pm

Martin issues warning on limits of US visa deal

Independent.ie WebSearch By Patricia McDonagh

Friday October 10 2008

FOREIGN Affairs Minister Micheal Martin last night insisted students who take a "year out" from education will be ineligible for a new holiday working scheme with the US.

The scheme promises to allow more than 20,000 Irish citizens to go to the US for year-long working stays. And it also will allow more than 5,000 US citizens to come to Ireland.

Participants will have to hold an Irish or US passport and should be in post-secondary education or have graduated within 12 months to qualify, he said.

However, he stressed that those who have graduated more than 12 months prior to applying for the scheme will not be eligible. Fine Gael's Billy Timmins said he was concerned the programme may be somewhat "exclusive". Those wishing to take a year out after completing their leaving certificate will not be able to apply, he pointed out.

There it is, you need to have left college within 12 months to qualify, from the horses mouth. Looks like you have to have completed at least one year's college post leaving-cert to get it as well. Our hopes shot out of the sky!

koHd · 10-10-2008 5:03pm

Colmfatcamp wrote: »

Martin issues warning on limits of US visa deal

Independent.ie WebSearch By Patricia McDonagh

Friday October 10 2008

FOREIGN Affairs Minister Micheal Martin last night insisted students who take a "year out" from education will be ineligible for a new holiday working scheme with the US.

The scheme promises to allow more than 20,000 Irish citizens to go to the US for year-long working stays. And it also will allow more than 5,000 US citizens to come to Ireland.

Participants will have to hold an Irish or US passport and should be in post-secondary education or have graduated within 12 months to qualify, he said.

However, he stressed that those who have graduated more than 12 months prior to applying for the scheme will not be eligible. Fine Gael's Billy Timmins said he was concerned the programme may be somewhat "exclusive". Those wishing to take a year out after completing their leaving certificate will not be able to apply, he pointed out.

There it is, you need to have left college within 12 months to qualify, from the horses mouth. Looks like you have to have completed at least one year's college post leaving-cert to get it as well. Our hopes shot out of the sky!

I'm still hopeful I will qualify with recently graduating a FETAC course this May gone.

Every statement made it seems like more and more people are cut out though. So I'm hopin he stops makin statements! heh

veritable · 17-10-2008 4:47pm

I just wish the US would make a deal with us paddies. we built their feckin cities for feck sake. why can't we just go over there and live, like Oz? as if we are a risk to their "national security" bullsh1t!

Corholio · 17-10-2008 5:43pm

Nothing that new here but they seem to be putting a firm date of November 1st on the start date.

From www.irishabroad.com

Visas to Start in November
October 15, 2008

By April Drew

MINISTER for Foreign Affairs Micheal Martin told members of the Dail (Parliament) last week that people interested in applying for the new one-year J visas can do so as of November 1.

While outlining details of the 20,000 U.S. visas and 5,000 Irish visas to his colleagues Martin said, “The Agreement will come into effect on November 2008. We would hope to see the first visas issued shortly after that.”

Martin said such a deal is “a very significant and positive development in our migration arrangements.”

Martin, who signed the agreement during his recent visit to Washington, D.C., told the Dail (Irish Parliament) that the announcement of new visas allowing new Irish into the U.S. was “warmly welcomed by community, sporting and business organizations in Ireland and the U.S.”

The U.S. government agreed to make available up to 20,000 visas for Irish citizens each year, which will allow them to work and travel in the U.S. for 12 months, after which time they must return home.

Reciprocally, the Irish government will allow up to 5,000 U.S. citizens to work and travel in Ireland also for a year. Each individual citizen will be free to secure employment upon arrive in each country. It will not be necessary to acquire a job prior to arrival in either country.

To qualify for the visa program, each participant must hold an Irish or U.S. passport. Each applicant must be in either post-secondary education which includes current enrollment in a third level institution or in a course that “could allow a student to go on obtain a degree,” according to a source at the Department of Foreign Affairs, or have graduated within the preceding 12 months.

Martin said the new program will not effect the “highly successful” student work and travel program, currently in existence which permits students from the U.S. and Ireland to work and travel for several months every summer.

“This J-1 program will continue to exist as a separate, more limited program,” he said.

dvega · 19-10-2008 3:43pm

30 is the cutoff for AUS

TheDude2008 · 20-10-2008 9:43pm

evrybody in ireland that is irish should be allowed to go to the usa we built the country for them sure

CiaranC · 20-10-2008 10:38pm

TheDude2008 wrote: »

evrybody in ireland that is irish should be allowed to go to the usa we built the country for them sure

Says the guy who spends half his time on Boards moaning about immigrants here... :rolleyes:

veritable · 22-10-2008 6:02pm

any more news

fergal_d · 23-10-2008 9:30pm

I wasnt in a college, but i was in a private college and did personal training there, will i qualify?

how can I apply?

Thanks in advance

Heisenberg. · 29-10-2008 11:36am

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Corholio · 29-10-2008 6:04pm

The Scientist wrote: »

I finished College in Sept. 07 but only graduated in Dec 07 so hopefully that'll be a sufficient loophole.
Pretty sure we can apply from Monday onwards...

I'll be like Charlie opening that Acceptance/PFO letter!

Is this true? I know they did say maybe November time, but didnt think there was a date put on it?

They've hardly said anything about it since the initial press release, but hoping you're right

Corholio · 02-11-2008 9:15pm

Any news on this at all?? Seems to have gone very quiet on it. This is something id be more than extremely interested in, but the littel bits of news on it seem to have dried up until they announce something.

veritable · 03-11-2008 1:38pm

Monday, November 03, 2008

20,000 Irish quota in US visa deal

By Niamh Hennessy
A VISA deal that will allow Irish people to work in the US for up to a year is due to be finalised this week.

The Department of Foreign Affairs said it had expected the deal would be in place sooner but it is waiting for final approval from the US. Minister for Foreign Affairs, Micheál Martin, announced the agreement last month.

The Working Holiday Agreement will allow a minimum of 20,000 Irish citizens who are in, or have recently completed, post secondary education to work and travel in the US for up to 12 months.

“This represents one of the most significant developments in our visa arrangements with the US in almost two decades,” said Mr Martin.

Under the terms of the deal, up to 5,000 US citizens will also be able to work and travel in Ireland on the same basis. The existing summer J1 programme will continue to exist as a separate programme.

“By working and travelling for a relatively lengthy period in each others’ countries, our young people will build important connections which will help maintain our very close ties to the US,” said Mr Martin

Last year 13,000 Irish people availed of visas to Australia and Mr Martin said he hopes that the US programme will be equally successful.

Last week the minister announced that a similar visa deal with Argentina is fully operational.

One hundred Irish citizens, aged 18-30 will be permitted to travel and work in Argentina for up to nine months as part of the programme.

jdean1 · 07-11-2008 9:08pm

Hi All!

I was online doing research regarding the new Irish Intern Work and Travel program for additional information since the US Department of State's release did not provide a lot of details.

I would like to mention that it is possible to apply for a J-1 Visa (seperate from the Irish IWT) to train for up to 12 or 18 months in the US without having to be a college student or recent graduate within the past 12 months.

To be eligible for this type of visa you would need to have completed a post-secondary academic program, and have at least one year of work experience outside the US related to the field in which you plan to train
Or
At least 5 years of related work experience outside the US related to the field in which you plan to train

This program is slightly different from a work and travel program as you would have to be placed at a host property, and train at that property for the duration of your time in the US.

And the majority of the placements are in the following areas:
Hospitality Management, Sales and Marketing, Business, Equine Research, Information Technology Services, Graphic Design, Engineering, Tour Operations, and Human Resources...

YES, the majority of these positions would be in hotels, pubs/restaurants BUT if you are looking to experience the US this is actually a great way to do it, and can open the door to better opportunities in the future.

Heisenberg. · 07-11-2008 10:31pm

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veritable · 08-11-2008 11:06am

is that for the year long j-1 or the standard summer visa?

Heisenberg. · 08-11-2008 1:37pm

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le_girl · 08-11-2008 6:20pm

The Scientist wrote: »

I emailed both USIT & SAYIT the same day last week to get more info.
Sayit got back to me straight away and even rang me to tell me about it. I'm getting the forms sent out on Monday.

USIT can fcuk right off tbh.

Can I ask which email addresses you used for USIT and SAYIT? I tried emailing SAYIT last week at the address on their site, sayit.travel@sayit.ie but my email bounced back and I couldn't find any address for USIT.

emeraldstar · 09-11-2008 5:53am

The Scientist wrote: »

The new 12 month one.

They have the forms already?

Can we start applying for it now?!

Kanney · 09-11-2008 6:31pm

le_girl wrote: »

Can I ask which email addresses you used for USIT and SAYIT? I tried emailing SAYIT last week at the address on their site, sayit.travel@sayit.ie but my email bounced back and I couldn't find any address for USIT.

Would also like to know this. Have they released the exact requirements.

Heisenberg. · 09-11-2008 9:34pm

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Corholio · 09-11-2008 10:49pm

The Scientist wrote: »

Ya i have the girls sayit email address but prob wont be much good to ye unless ye're in Cork.
She explained the requirements to me on the phone but i was only half listening because i was daydreaming about sipping a Corona on Pacific Beach.

She also said that SAYIT are launching a mini site this week which will have all the info.

Im in Cork and would be interested in contacting them to find out more, what was the email address?

GrahamThomas · 09-11-2008 11:27pm

Do SAYIT have any offices outside of Cork? Was looking to see if there was a branch in Dublin, but can't seem to find one.

clarebearstare · 10-11-2008 11:09pm

Yep Sayit have an office either n Trinity or near it...did a J1 through them years ago and found them really helpful. I'll certainly be on the phone to them tomorrow!

le_girl · 11-11-2008 12:07am

I found a working address for SAYIT and emailed them, they said they're "currently awaiting information on this programme and will be in touch soon".

At least they know I'm interested now I suppose and they were very quick with the reply. The address I used was J1Visa@sayit.ie

J-Visa for the USA!

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